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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:10:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. This is 101 *Reeeeee Trump Racsissmsss and hates whammann* squawking. $48-100B is not even a rounding error in our $5 Trillion budget. It's lint from our pockets. Its about 15% of the total DOD budget. So not exactly budget dust. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:15:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its about 15% of the total DOD budget. So not exactly budget dust. Did the DOD budget shrink by 15%? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:20:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its about 15% of the total DOD budget. So not exactly budget dust. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:25:34 AM EDT
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They were a thing in, Red Storm Rising.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin has two choices: lose or use nukes. I don't see Putin accepting the losing part. He has to be taken out (unlikely) or find a way to "win" in some abstract we won when we lost kind of way Or, given our track record of tiring and losing interest he will bank on us giving in to talks that amount to BS for everyone and declare victory Then there is the fact not one of the western leaders is in the least bit competent and they blunder the world into a nuke exchange If you don't believe that is highly likely you have not studied history |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And we lost when they sent Mig-21's to Vietnam. We did proxy wars for half a century. Another one doesn't change that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, I do, the motherfucker has his finger on the button of a lot of nuclear weapons. So did his predecessors when we sent Stingers to Afghanistan and they lost that war too. We did proxy wars for half a century. Another one doesn't change that. We "lost" Vietnam because we walked away. They didn't win on the battlefield. They won in the court of public opinion. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They did loose a few helicopters, video footage. And they did parachute about 50 dudes into the black sea.. There is also a few photos of a transport plane shot down with dead paratroopers in it. I have no idea what the model was. Looked like about 30 guys. But yes, VDV did seize objectives. The problem is the support collums didn't link up 24-48hrs later and the VDV units were crushed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, also VDV did land at the airport via low flying helicopters. The actual combat footage is or was on youtube. They did loose a few helicopters, video footage. And they did parachute about 50 dudes into the black sea.. There is also a few photos of a transport plane shot down with dead paratroopers in it. I have no idea what the model was. Looked like about 30 guys. But yes, VDV did seize objectives. The problem is the support collums didn't link up 24-48hrs later and the VDV units were crushed. Yep, also that AN26 crashed around Voronezh (about 100km from the border), north east of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:15:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of which threr is no actual proof. Conservatives shoul be above this sort of nonsense and base their opinion on facts as it's differentiates them from liberal emotional arguments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because it's a scam for the democrats to launder tax payer money into their pockets. Of which threr is no actual proof. Conservatives shoul be above this sort of nonsense and base their opinion on facts as it's differentiates them from liberal emotional arguments. Bullshit. We have a president with known family ties to UKR, along with emails and documents showing past money laundering schemes tied to it. "10% to the big guy" and $50k/month rental fees. We have a country known for corruption. We have massive scandals already unfolding in their country. Do you honestly think that the powers in DC won't get their cut? If so, you're naive. Just because the venerable FBI doesn't stamp it as a problem means nothing to me as to whether it could, or is, occurring. At the very least, this is going to result in massive kickbacks to Biden and congressional leadership from defense contractors, which is likely one of the main goals of this. If you want to stick your head in the sand, feel free. I've seen way too many issues with our current government to take them at face value. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do hit the railyards between Poland and Ukraine. Different gauge tracks (it's been that way since the Soviet era when the Soviets didn't want Western trains to roll easily into the Soviet Union. So, stuff has to be unloaded from Western trains, reloaded onto Ukrainian trains for shipment close to the front. The Russians hit those yards and destroy a lot of equipment there. We know this and don't care. Just give more aid (old US equipment so we can give our own defense contractors new orders for new equipment). That’s interesting. Link? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Ukrainian have that strong an Air Force? What about their Backfire, and Badger bombers? The Russians do use bombers for long range strikes into Ukraine but the Russians failed to suppress all Ukraine air defense so they don’t have the ability to fly at will in western Ukraine shock and awe Desert Storm style https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russias-secretive-long-range-bomber-operations-against-ukraine |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The Russians are that bad. That Russia couldn't take complete air supremacy on day one tells you everything you need to know about them as a superpower. Hell they weren't and still aren't even doing effective SEAD. Offensive air and Black Sea fleet possibly all their surface Navy is pathetic. But Ukraine is equally useless air wise hence requests for F-16s. https://news.yahoo.com/air-force-russia-used-kinzhal-151151355.html |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:02:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's interesting. Link? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:04:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I do, the motherfucker has his finger on the button of a lot of nuclear weapons. Despite Moscow {and allies} changing nuke policy I think the only chance Moscow entertains the idea as far as Ukraine is concerned is if Moscow is leveled somehow {unlikely} or Crimea is lost {even then I’m not 100% sure} so nuke exchange can’t be ruled out but is not likely or the scenario is it’s possible are limited specific situations. Not over sending tanks especially tanks that only equip a single brigade. Is this why everyone is asking now? https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-suggests-providing-tanks-to-ukraine-will-lead-to-nukes-2023-1?amp |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:09:38 PM EDT
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OMG guys. Another Ukraine thread.
Hurry everyone, we must all race to post the same absolutist, yet entirely speculatory, biased opinions over and over. Thank you, God help us we forget how some of you feel. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that on a program discussing the export of potash out of Russia. They have to transfer to different cars to export into Europe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's interesting. Link? Yes. I was also referring to the Russians targeting and hitting that point. Is there a link? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG guys. Another Ukraine thread. Hurry everyone, we must all race to post the same absolutist, yet entirely speculatory, biased opinions over and over. Thank you, God help us we forget how some of you feel. And here YOU are. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:14:48 PM EDT
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It all ends well.
How? It’s a mystery. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians do use bombers for long range strikes into Ukraine but the Russians failed to suppress all Ukraine air defense so they don’t have the ability to fly at will in western Ukraine shock and awe Desert Storm style A note on that: In the 50+ cruise missile attack Russia launched day before yesterday. There seemed to be a shift in targeting emphasis, from Power Grid Targets to Ukrainian S-300 sites. Make of that what you will. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:36:21 PM EDT
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Speculative possibility- they don’t have enough operational aircraft. Evidently, their tank force numbers aren’t what we’ve been led to believe over the years due to poor storage conditions, counting tanks that have been robbed for parts or otherwise unsuitable being claimed as operational reserves. Perhaps their aircraft situation is similar. They may just not have the numbers to make it happen.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:38:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG guys. Another Ukraine thread. Hurry everyone, we must all race to post the same absolutist, yet entirely speculatory, biased opinions over and over. Thank you, God help us we forget how some of you feel.  Attached File |
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