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Posted: 7/5/2019 1:30:23 PM EST

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It's not even about the masks - it's about not addressing the violence properly when it happens.

The "professor" that bike-locked someone in the head gets 3 years probation - that set the stage for more bad actions.

If the PC-administrators let the police do their job, it'll get taken care of, unfortunately, they let the mob run amuck.

When the public sees that justice is not upheld by the courts and the authorities, faith in the system is lost and justice will begin to be taken in the street. I'm not advocating for it, just stating a fact.

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:06:13 PM EST

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Virginia's mask law was amended a few years ago to add exactly this exemption. Otherwise, if a mask is worn with intent to conceal identity / commit crime, it's a felony.
18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.

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Ought I to be forcibly detained or jailed because the police can't see my face? Just for riding a motorcycle and trying to stay warm?

Virginia's mask law was amended a few years ago to add exactly this exemption. Otherwise, if a mask is worn with intent to conceal identity / commit crime, it's a felony.
18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.

I see the exemption. Where's the intent to commit a crime phrasing?

So what's the point of the law? 'Citizens must be prevented from preventing LE's use of facial recognition'?

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:08:49 PM EST

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We are talking about a large protest in a big city with people with known past performances of violent intentions.
Not putting on my helmet with a dark face shield when I am out riding or a balaclava when your freezing your ass off in Buffalo in January.
It's really not that hard to get.

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Oh? Performances of assault and property damage?

The problem isn't masks, the problem is a lack of consequences for what they're doing. Would you not agree that outlawing masks gives the state the authority to force identification of people?

What about helmets? Same? What if I'm wearing a balaclava, mustache, sunglasses, and a motorcycle helmet with a mirrored visor? Ought I to be forcibly detained or jailed because the police can't see my face? Just for riding a motorcycle and trying to stay warm?

We are talking about a large protest in a big city with people with known past performances of violent intentions.
Not putting on my helmet with a dark face shield when I am out riding or a balaclava when your freezing your ass off in Buffalo in January.
It's really not that hard to get.

Oh, they're going to gather in one convenient place for the police to arrest when they assault people or damage property? God damn that's nifty. If only there was a way to identify someone during the booking process. I had no idea masks couldn't ever be taken off.

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:27:19 PM EST

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Oh, they're going to gather in one convenient place for the police to arrest when they assault people or damage property? God damn that's nifty. If only there was a way to identify someone during the booking process. I had no idea masks couldn't ever be taken off.

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I don’t like mask laws either, we already have them here, but i am thinking if things get serious mask laws are the least of my worries

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:32:01 PM EST

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"About 15 states and some countries have anti-mask laws"

Ah the liberals are fucked because Norway/The Netherlands/Sweden/Demark have them.

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A lot of southern states have mask laws. They were passed as anti-Klan laws. Seems it is always democrats that want to hid behind masks.

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:45:35 PM EST

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I don't think there's a need for anti-mask laws if you had a strong police force and prosecutors willing to charge these guys.
Just round up everybody in masks/with masks and charge them all with conspiracy to commit assault/battery/murder/whatever every time there's one of these "protests".

After all, isn't that what their masks and matching uniforms are about?
Hiding/concealing their identities to support members of their organization committing crimes and getting away because they can't be identified in their crowd.

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:50:58 PM EST

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You all know this is done on purpose, right? Because when they get the power, and it is us wearing masks, the laws will be in place for them to immediately use against us.

What needs to actually happen, is LEO's need to do their job and arrest the people committing the violence. Not tuck tail and run away.

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:58:54 PM EST

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"Behavior is the issue, not the mask,''

"Behavior is the issue, not the gun,"

Hmmm, why don't we ever hear the second one?

Posted: 7/5/2019 2:59:16 PM EST

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I'm shocked this hasn't happened. They could Jussie Smollett the whole thing so nobody would have to take an actual beating but the ~~anarchist~~ antifa would take the blame.

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I'm shocked this hasn't happened. They could Jussie Smollett the whole thing so nobody would have to take an actual beating but the ~~anarchist~~ antifa would take the blame.

The right tends to play nice. To fight the left who always plays dirty, the right should play dirty also in certain cases.

Posted: 7/5/2019 3:23:02 PM EST

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I don't think there's a need for anti-mask laws if you had a strong police force and prosecutors willing to charge these guys.

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We're talking about Portland.

Posted: 7/5/2019 3:25:22 PM EST

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This is to preempt the right from following suit and wearing masks like Antifa.

Hard to give cover to one side and prosecute the other side if both sides take the same precautions of anonymity.

Posted: 7/5/2019 3:26:50 PM EST

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I agree with the ACLU here.

More importantly, the day may come, and soon, where masks are the only thing that allows us to be heard at all.

Posted: 7/5/2019 3:29:00 PM EST

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Anti-mask laws were enacted to combat the KKK.

Anyone who opposes such laws are racists white supremacists.

Posted: 7/5/2019 3:35:00 PM EST

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I can’t understand how it hasn’t happened yet...

Posted: 7/5/2019 6:50:29 PM EST

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I know there's "principles" and shit to consider, but why don't right wingers just start showing up to protests and riots with masks on too? Antifa has already been shown historically to be unable to distinguish friend from foe when they don't have masks, so it stands to reason the same would be true if everyone has masks. They'd be confused as shit.

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This has an added side benefit that out weights the whole Antifa issue: it would show the leftist oligarchs that the right wing is actually willing to fight too. That would be something that they have NEVER seen before. They listen (or more) to Islam and the Black Block types because they will burn them down if they don't. They laugh at us because all we do is whine and call the police that are on their side.

Posted: 7/5/2019 6:59:52 PM EST

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It's not even about the masks - it's about not addressing the violence properly when it happens.

The "professor" that bike-locked someone in the head gets 3 years probation - that set the stage for more bad actions.

If the PC-administrators let the police do their job, it'll get taken care of, unfortunately, they let the mob run amuck.

When the public sees that justice is not upheld by the courts and the authorities, faith in the system is lost and justice will begin to be taken in the street. I'm not advocating for it, just stating a fact.

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The professor got only 3 years probation? No fine?

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:03:20 PM EST

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i recognize that there's a 1A component to it, but when it is routinely taken advantage of to commit violence, something ought to be done.

simple solution: make it an exacerbating charge (i forget the right term). basically, commit a crime while wearing a mask, and face extra punishment. substantially more for masked violence. masks could still be worn for 1A purposes, but there would be a strong disincentive to go antifa-style.

it isn't perfect--masks still make ID more difficult--but i'm suspicious of the idea that government has the authority to dictate what i can and can't wear.

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I think 25 years should do it.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:03:58 PM EST

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i recognize that there's a 1A component to it, but when it is routinely taken advantage of to commit violence, something ought to be done.

simple solution: make it an exacerbating charge (i forget the right term). basically, commit a crime while wearing a mask, and face extra punishment. substantially more for masked violence. masks could still be worn for 1A purposes, but there would be a strong disincentive to go antifa-style.

it isn't perfect--masks still make ID more difficult--but i'm suspicious of the idea that government has the authority to dictate what i can and can't wear.

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Anti-mask laws exist throughout the South (anti-Klan laws), and have been found to be constitutional.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:05:38 PM EST

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After seeing the mug shots of Antifa arrests, having them hold a riot unmasked is going to look like a bunch of homeless vagrants/drug users got lucky with a bunch of 200lb land whales.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:09:38 PM EST

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Yeah....that’s the ticket, we need more laws, yeah ya see we couldn’t do a thing our hands were tied, we need more laws on this, and we need more cops to enforce those laws, and of course more taxes

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:21:04 PM EST

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The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon said it doubts a policy prohibiting masks could be enforced in a constitutional manner.

"A policy that prohibits wearing a mask to a protest will have police focusing on the wrong issue," Sarah Armstrong, a spokeswoman for the group, told the paper. "Behavior is the issue, not the mask,'' she said. "It could be argued that the mask is an important symbolic part of a protester’s message. ... There are many legitimate reasons people wear ‘masks,’ including political and religious reasons.''

So, they would be ok with the KKK wearing masks again to protest, right?

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:27:11 PM EST

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I am betting this will only apply to the lawful patriot prayer folks that bring gas masks to keep from being bear sprayed.

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B-I-N-G-O!

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:27:55 PM EST

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Anti-mask laws exist throughout the South (anti-Klan laws), and have been found to be constitutional.

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i don't care what an activist judge says in an attempt to legislate from the bench. there is nothing in the constitutional framework of american civics that authorizes government to dictate what clothes a citizen is permitted to wear. regardless of how well-intentioned it is, it's literally nazi germany stuff.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:29:57 PM EST

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The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon said it doubts a policy prohibiting masks could be enforced in a constitutional manner.

"A policy that prohibits wearing a mask to a protest will have police focusing on the wrong issue," Sarah Armstrong, a spokeswoman for the group, told the paper. "Behavior is the issue, not the mask,'' she said. "It could be argued that the mask is an important symbolic part of a protester’s message. ... There are many legitimate reasons people wear ‘masks,’ including political and religious reasons.''

So, they would be ok with the KKK wearing masks again to protest, right?

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if the mask is an integral part of the behavior, and facilitates a behavior that would otherwise be difficult to do with impunity, then the mask is part of the issue.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:32:17 PM EST

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I'm waiting for the Southern Poverty Law Center to chime in before I make my decision as to the constitutionality of any unmasking law.

IOW,

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:35:11 PM EST

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Dammit, you are not supposed to ask questions that point out government failures,

while forcing people to examine the validity of new laws.

It stands in the way of government expanding its power.

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What is the Hegelian dialectic?

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:44:15 PM EST

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the only reason they wear masks is so that they can get away with crime.

eta: eventually someone on the right is going to dress up like those idiots, infiltrate their organization and CoC violation a ton of them.

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Sounds like the night of the long Knives

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:47:56 PM EST

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About 20 years too fucking late.

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:52:21 PM EST

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Well then let’s work on a compromise. They can keep the masks. In exchange, shooting someone in the face is now a perfectly acceptable response when violently attacked.

Let’s get a quick vote in so we can all enjoy our weekend

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:52:26 PM EST

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Reminds me of the Beagle Boys...

Posted: 7/5/2019 7:53:21 PM EST

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What is the Hegelian dialectic?

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Dammit, you are not supposed to ask questions that point out government failures,

while forcing people to examine the validity of new laws.

It stands in the way of government expanding its power.

What is the Hegelian dialectic?

http://farmwars.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Hegelian-Dialectic.jpg

I have a solution. Nuke Portland. That will fix it and not fit into a predetermine agenda.

Isn't there a video of Antifa in Georgia being stopped and force to unmask by police?

Posted: 7/5/2019 8:15:23 PM EST

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End the takeover of streets. Give them five minutes to disperse and leave then hit them with tear gas, water cannons and arrest their sorry asses.

Posted: 7/5/2019 8:17:47 PM EST

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End the takeover of streets. Give them five minutes to disperse and leave then hit them with tear gas, water cannons and arrest their sorry asses.

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How's that gonna work? That doesn't address them wearing masks, or getting another law on the books!

Impossible. Ban masks, for the children!!

Posted: 7/5/2019 8:52:02 PM EST

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I don’t know if true or not but a bank manager told me that wearing a mask while entering a bank is against the law. That might be city or state specific, no idea. I was in CA at the time. Some guy went into the bank on Halloween with a mask on and they screamed at him to take it off immediately or GTFO.

Posted: 7/5/2019 9:00:08 PM EST

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How's that gonna work? That doesn't address them wearing masks, or getting another law on the books!

Impossible. Ban masks, for the children!!

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If they can't be violent in the streets they will not accomplish anything. So wearing a mask becomes irrelevant.

In addition, have police everywhere so when they get violent, they are arrested.

Posted: 7/5/2019 9:02:13 PM EST

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Is she an Indian, by chance?

Maybe half Cherokee and Choctaw? Or Chippewa?

Posted: 7/5/2019 9:04:49 PM EST

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Is she an Indian, by chance?

Maybe half Cherokee and Choctaw? Or Chippewa?

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"police Chief Danielle Outlaw"

Is she an Indian, by chance?

Maybe half Cherokee and Choctaw? Or Chippewa?

She’s one of a kind.

Posted: 7/6/2019 1:01:41 AM EST

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Or, you know, start policing the crowds instead of just standing around watching a riot unfold.

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That's stupider than not using a hairdryer in the shower to avoid electrocution. LOL
Naw, a new mask law is the ticket.

Posted: 7/6/2019 1:28:39 AM EST

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If the police don't give a shit that antifa are cutting people's skulls open and throwing acid and quick dry concrete on people on the regular, they aren't going to give a shit about masks either.

Posted: 7/6/2019 2:38:33 AM EST

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Don't worry, anti-mask laws are coming. Facial recognition is part of the digital algorithm.

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:19:14 AM EST

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Their job here is done.

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:35:30 AM EST

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communist local govt failing to enforce current law wants a new law restricting more individual freedom to be used against the other side when they need it,

It is so transparent and predictable.

yay

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:38:56 AM EST

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that is what this is all about, tracking enemies of the communist govt.

The foundation is being laid and we cheer it. Be on a govt list, illegal to hide face, arrested for hiding face or arrested due to facial recognition of enemies of the state.

Step by step we march toward a totalitarian state with unlimited powers.

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:45:37 AM EST

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Oh? Performances of assault and property damage?

The problem isn't masks, the problem is a lack of consequences for what they're doing. Would you not agree that outlawing masks gives the state the authority to force identification of people?

What about helmets? Same? What if I'm wearing a balaclava, mustache, sunglasses, and a motorcycle helmet with a mirrored visor? Ought I to be forcibly detained or jailed because the police can't see my face? Just for riding a motorcycle and trying to stay warm?

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I actually hate to have that law and if the police really wanted they could apply other laws to groups of people rioting in masks but maybe that's where we are.

I know what you are saying but with Antifa they have already clearly shown their intentions by past performances.

Oh? Performances of assault and property damage?

The problem isn't masks, the problem is a lack of consequences for what they're doing. Would you not agree that outlawing masks gives the state the authority to force identification of people?

What about helmets? Same? What if I'm wearing a balaclava, mustache, sunglasses, and a motorcycle helmet with a mirrored visor? Ought I to be forcibly detained or jailed because the police can't see my face? Just for riding a motorcycle and trying to stay warm?

VA recently (<2 years ago, IIRC) changed their mask law to allow motorcyclists to wear masks in the winter. It is not the mask, it is the actions of the person wearing the mask. IMO, the first thing that should be done is removing the antifa's masks when they start acting out.

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:46:31 AM EST

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The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon said it doubts a policy prohibiting masks could be enforced in a constitutional manner.

"A policy that prohibits wearing a mask to a protest will have police focusing on the wrong issue," Sarah Armstrong, a spokeswoman for the group, told the paper. "Behavior is the issue, not the mask,'' she said. "It could be argued that the mask is an important symbolic part of a protester’s message. ... There are many legitimate reasons people wear ‘masks,’including political and religious reasons.''

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Okay. I can understand that there might be some legitimate religious reason to wear a mask in public.

But just what the fuck kind of political reason could there be? Other than starting a riot against your political opponents, of course.

Virginia law 18.2-422 covers it quite well, since it prohibits wearing a mask only when the wearer does so with the intent to conceal his identity.

Posted: 7/6/2019 3:48:30 AM EST

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I actually hate to have that law and if the police really wanted they could apply other laws to groups of people rioting in masks but maybe that's where we are.

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The laws we have ain't being followed, quick lets make more laws......

Posted: 7/6/2019 4:56:59 AM EST

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Knowing how the leftist government and media is there, they'll pass a law banning conservatives from wearing masks only. So woke bruh.

Posted: 7/6/2019 5:39:32 AM EST

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If they pass an anti-mask law, it should only pertain to being masked while committing a crime, IMHO.

Otherwise, it'd be a crime to wear a full-faced helmet - or, even a bandana - while riding on a chilly evening! Or, a hat & scarf in a blizzard.

C'mon! Think about it w/o the knee-jerk outrage and don't let a bunch of commie scum determine what is/is not legal - because that's exactly how they win.

Bottom up/top down/inside out.