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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:18:06 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a Christian and I did not get that out of the show AT ALL  They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:21:04 PM EST
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The stuffy tongue clucking of the religious right is why so many people don't care about religion anymore. Can't take opinions like OPs seriously. Decades of blaming Ozzy Osborne and satanic worship moral panics and it's going to be hard to convince people you know the right path.....
 Im about 3 episodes in and Im not really digging it. Just a really MEH show overall. Besides the main character, not too many other stand out characters or performances. Zeta-Jones and Luiz Guzman are amazing actors but so far have added nothing and are all outclassed by the original cast. I know it is trying to be something different but it's not succeeding and makes me just want to watch the original 2 again. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:22:30 PM EST
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Full on Christian here and OP is in a satanic panic for no reason.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:26:39 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. So you’re a big fan of puritans? |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:29:16 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. The Pilgrims had already escaped persecution by emigrating to Holland. The Pilgrims fled England to escape persecution but they most certainly did not come to America to establish religious freedom. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:29:27 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution... ...from other Christians. And after they escaped that they proceeded engage in a fair amount of persecution (and outright murder) themselves. It seems they were just carrying on a tradition. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:30:21 PM EST
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Why are you surprised that they call evil good and good evil? Seems we have been told that would happen in the past days. But look at other "entertainment" over the years. In "V for Vendetta" the bad guys are the conservatives who are trying to enslave the populace. Seems in real life it is usually the liberals who are trying to control everyone else. If I really cared to dig up more bovine excrement I could, but I turned off major media many years ago after seeing its production from the inside and knew it was all based on misdirection and lies then.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:30:28 PM EST
[#8]
I bet you are a blast at parties
Anyways. The plot of the ghost of a pilgrim Christian hanging the abnormals.... Christians back then were no doubt that terrible. Horrible people. They have slightly improved over the years though. Some of them anyways. The show was fun. The OP is lame |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:32:40 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...from other Christians. And after they escaped that they proceeded engage in a fair amount of persecution (and outright murder) themselves. It seems they were just carrying on a tradition. Bingo. There were some christians in the colonies who fought for religious freedom. They were, themselves, persecuted by the state for non-adherance to the state-established religion. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:34:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pilgrims were the good guys? When? |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:45:45 PM EST
[#11]
I watched the first episode. I thought it was pretty good, although I'm not really a fan of the over-the-top magic scenes (more subtle is better IMO). In any case, it didn't really hook me.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:48:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s everywhere. My family likes Stranger Things but it’s all about making taking the Lord’s name in vain normal. I hope it’s not an unforgivable sin. The normalizing homosexuality is in almost everything. Same with sexualizing children. yep..ST is slick mind programming for kids. I can't think of a single curent show where you have a married couple with a functional father figure. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:54:45 PM EST
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Looks pretty good compared to a lot if the so called woke stuff out there. Still the exagerated evil Puritans is continuing a exagerated stereotype. Burning a whole barn full of people because we'll their weird, that is just ridiculous. At the time the colonies were noted for having so few witchcraft trials. Now Germany they had a ridiculous number of people killed over witchcraft and the vast majority were just murdered for money. They also had a lot of Christians killing Christians. Then to top it off their old pagans there were really into Human sacrifice and in some areas they really had a problem stamping that out. Just kept restarting. Maybe the British Colonies in North America were too busy killing Indians to bother with all that other stuff.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:57:22 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which casting did she have a problem with? It was a fun romp of a show, even though I called who the bad guys were by the 2nd episode. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wife tried to watch it, and she loves trash, and even she can't watch it. The casting kills it. Which casting did she have a problem with? It was a fun romp of a show, even though I called who the bad guys were by the 2nd episode. Gomez, Morticia, Pugsley and Fester. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:58:09 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gomez, Morticia, Pugsley and Fester. Lurch was spot on IMO |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 10:58:23 PM EST
[#16]
The guys in KISS were actually Knights In Satan's Service.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:13:18 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am a Christian and I did not get that out of the show AT ALL They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. First of all, that’s not what the Puritans were - they were a rather extreme sect that wanted to set up a colony where they ruled and Puritanism was the state religion. Second of all… that’s not the plot of the show. One man was the central bad guy, not the pilgrims as a society. That man’s descendant served as a secondary bad guy, and they were shown the error of their ways quickly. > This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Yeah - and it was largely a lie. You seem to be recoiling more at the shattering of your worldview of the Puritans as peaceniks than the about the show. You do realize the Salem with trials were run by the same group, where they murdered twenty people, right? I’m sure Giles Corey thought of their perseverance and courage while he was being crushed to death and thrown into an unmarked grave. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:20:17 PM EST
[#18]
lol
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:35:20 PM EST
[#19]
The first season was amazingly awesome. I just wish Raul Julia was alive to reprise his role as Gomez Addams. He personified the character perfectly.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:38:25 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP reminds of my mom that time she threw away my Metallica cassettes when I was twelve. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:47:22 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to break it to you, but the puritan pilgrims who came to North America were genocidal monsters. You must not know your history very well OP, or choose to ignore it. Hell the day after the first thanksgiving, every single Wampanoag native was murdered. Thats putting it politely. I'll take it even a step further. The 10 Commandments are a big deal, especially in Christianity. The pilgrims conveniently forgot the most important one. Tho shalt not kill. If you really want nightmares read the book "The State of Native America: Genocide, Colonization, and Resistance by M. Annette Jaimes. Back to the show. Wednesday is a stoke of genius. I personally loved it. The gothic ambiance, Wednesday in all her glory, tons of pop culture easter eggs, fantastic music score by Danny Elfman, and the magic of Tim Burton are in perfect balance. I thought they portrayed the pilgrim puritans beautifully. My favorite character is Thing. All the other characters are great too! Their idea of Thanksgiving was a day of hard prayer for some accomplishment. One of their Thanksgivings was for killing a bunch of natives and putting their heads on spikes. Up, real gosh darn good! |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:48:43 PM EST
[#22]
I mean have you never heard the premise of Addams Family? It's always been dark, gothic, semi satanic. I don't know anything about the cartoons in the late 30's. It at least since the show aired in the 60's and beyond, i believe it was written as a satire too.
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:50:02 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They literally took Christian settlers escaping persecution, made them a terrible cartoon caricature as evil badies. Then set a whole series on destroying them. And then packaged it up in a kids show. I don't know about you, but that seems like a complete inversion of the good guy bad guy dynamics our culture was built on. I am just pointing that out. This stuff used to be taught to every child in school as an uplifting story of perseverance and courage. Regardless of the now outdated way of thinking they had in the 1600's. But that is inverted now. But yeah, it was entertaining. Which is the whole point of doing these kinds of kids shows. Your not supposed to be outraged. But it is seeding a message to your kids. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:54:00 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yep..ST is slick mind programming for kids. I can't think of a single curent show where you have a married couple with a functional father figure. Um, Wednesday's father is a great functional father figure, very involved and loving 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:55:01 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean have you never heard the premise of Addams Family? It's always been dark, gothic, semi satanic. I don't know anything about the cartoons in the late 30's. It at least since the show aired in the 60's and beyond, i believe it was written as a satire too. ARs are black, Satan is black, evil is black. AR doesn't stand for Armalite Rifle. It stands for Antichrist Receiver! Every time OP shoots an AR, he makes the portal to Hell bigger and more demons come through to push the Globalhomolizardcabal and bring about the apocalypse through COVID, TV, and the Shooting Range |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 11:59:18 PM EST
[#26]
Oh, and religious folks, including Christians, have actually killed way more people through history than werewolves and shapeshifters.
Wednesday was just fun fantasy. The pedophia in Catholicism, as just one example, is real and much more terrifying. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 12:01:51 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, and religious folks, including Christians, have actually killed way more people through history than werewolves and shapeshifters. Wednesday was just fun fantasy. The pedophia in Catholicism, as just one example, is real and much more terrifying. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 12:17:54 AM EST
[#28]
I don’t care much for Wednesday but Enid and young Tish tho
 
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Posted: 1/23/2023 1:30:55 AM EST
[#29]
The night time is the right time.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 6:55:12 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The pilgrims were the good guys? When? Yeah, the pilgrims were not the good guys here. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 7:58:03 AM EST
[#31]
it's netflix so by the third season it will probably be loaded with several negative messages.
Even if a show is decent on Netflix "The Highwayman" one may add other movies to the que and those shows may be loaded with a worse agenda. If a person is able to turn off a crap movie with out seeing the end I wouldn't worry about it but if someone has a personality trait that caused them to watch the walking dead to the final episode you may want to pay closer attention to what your kid watches they may have that same trait. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 9:07:15 AM EST
[#32]
OP is proof the Spanish Inquisition is alive and well.
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Posted: 1/23/2023 4:51:22 PM EST
[#33]
OP has a very incorrect view of Puritans, and mistakenly thinks they were anything but a creepy cult.
The show exaggerates this to the point of absurdity to create a supernatural antagonist. That’s hardly “satanic”, or whatever… it’s what fictional stories do all the time. The Addams family is, of course, meant to be a total inversion of traditional values… that’s the point… to create humor from the absurdity of that inversion. There is, however, very little actual malice directed toward anyone who doesn’t attack or threaten them first, in any of the Addams family stories. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 5:03:15 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP has a very incorrect view of Puritans, and mistakenly thinks they were anything but a creepy cult. The show exaggerates this to the point of absurdity to create a supernatural antagonist. That's hardly "satanic", or whatever it's what fictional stories do all the time. The Addams family is, of course, meant to be a total inversion of traditional values that's the point to create humor from the absurdity of that inversion. There is, however, very little actual malice directed toward anyone who doesn't attack or threaten them first, in any of the Addams family stories. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 12:25:10 AM EST
[#35]
I liked the series. It has some woke b.s. but every show does now. Looking forward to season 2.
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Posted: 2/14/2023 12:42:59 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP probably thinks if you listen to Black Sabbath backwards, the Devil will spring forth and turn him into a newt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP has a very incorrect view of Puritans, and mistakenly thinks they were anything but a creepy cult. The show exaggerates this to the point of absurdity to create a supernatural antagonist. That's hardly "satanic", or whatever it's what fictional stories do all the time. The Addams family is, of course, meant to be a total inversion of traditional values that's the point to create humor from the absurdity of that inversion. There is, however, very little actual malice directed toward anyone who doesn't attack or threaten them first, in any of the Addams family stories. But he'll get better. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 9:09:09 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP has a very incorrect view of Puritans, and mistakenly thinks they were anything but a creepy cult. The show exaggerates this to the point of absurdity to create a supernatural antagonist. That’s hardly “satanic”, or whatever… it’s what fictional stories do all the time. The Addams family is, of course, meant to be a total inversion of traditional values… that’s the point… to create humor from the absurdity of that inversion. There is, however, very little actual malice directed toward anyone who doesn’t attack or threaten them first, in any of the Addams family stories. all of this. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 11:09:18 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The first season was amazingly awesome. I just wish Raul Julia was alive to reprise his role as Gomez Addams. He personified the character perfectly. Don't slip on Luis Guzman. Dude is awesome as Gomez. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 11:12:25 AM EST
[#39]
Couldn't get through one episode.
Shitty writing. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 11:12:39 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't slip on Luis Guzman. Dude is awesome as Gomez. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The first season was amazingly awesome. I just wish Raul Julia was alive to reprise his role as Gomez Addams. He personified the character perfectly. Don't slip on Luis Guzman. Dude is awesome as Gomez. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 11:14:32 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @vengarr, Guzman is good, no doubt about it. But Julia was just awesome. To me, he was the best actor ever to portray Gomez Addams. Julia just had a certain spark when playing that character. Also, I have a soft spot for him for taking the role of M. Bison in Streetfighter the Movie. He did it for his kids, as he was dying of cancer. He did it because his kids loved playing the game on their SNES and he wanted to do something for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The first season was amazingly awesome. I just wish Raul Julia was alive to reprise his role as Gomez Addams. He personified the character perfectly. Don't slip on Luis Guzman. Dude is awesome as Gomez. Oh he WAS Gomez. Guzman is more true to the comic strip. Them teef!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 11:14:52 AM EST
[#42]
My wife watched it & liked it. I walked into our bedroom and watched about 5 minutes before I decided to leave.
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Posted: 2/14/2023 1:38:15 PM EST
[#43]
Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???"
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Posted: 2/14/2023 2:17:46 PM EST
[#44]
Great show. The wife & I both like it. Amazingly not overly woke which is really shocking for a netflix series.
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:11:54 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, “cara mia” is Italian, not Spanish…. This Gomez isn’t the urbane, Raul Julia version. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:27:40 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, “cara mia” is Italian, not Spanish…. This Gomez isn’t the urbane, Raul Julia version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, “cara mia” is Italian, not Spanish…. This Gomez isn’t the urbane, Raul Julia version. I've been waiting for Catherine Zeta-Jones to speak French. Not cause I like french but want to see what Guzman does with it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:39:39 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, "cara mia" is Italian, not Spanish . This Gomez isn't the urbane, Raul Julia version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, "cara mia" is Italian, not Spanish . This Gomez isn't the urbane, Raul Julia version. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:49:11 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In Spanish, it would be something more like "mi amor". "Cara mia" is Italian for "my dear/love" and in Spanish "mi amor" is "my love". But then again, Morticia Addams would always say "mon chéri" which is French. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, "cara mia" is Italian, not Spanish . This Gomez isn't the urbane, Raul Julia version. I was thinking “cariña mia”. |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:50:26 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking "cari a mia". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, "cara mia" is Italian, not Spanish . This Gomez isn't the urbane, Raul Julia version. I was thinking "cari a mia". |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 3:56:03 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That too Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guzman looks like Addams' Gomez but his speech is way too barrio. When he says "cara mia" it sounds like he's reading off a cue card, "Carra mai-a? Oye, pendejo, wha da fuck dat even mean???" Well, "cara mia" is Italian, not Spanish . This Gomez isn't the urbane, Raul Julia version. I was thinking "cari a mia". Lol I just go through the things my mom’s best friend calls my kids (gender adjusted)… |
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