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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:26:01 PM EDT
[#1]
It just seems weird for them to spend that much money moving troops and equipment to just do nothing. Especially with the nutless wonders in charge of the west.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .... Where people get the idea that Russia's economy and military are falling apart, I have no idea. .... Wife (Ukrainian) worked in Russia for a natural gas company a couple years ago, After Trump drove down energy prices her division took a pay cut of $400 a month to $180 a month. Not a bad job, a job she only had because her Russian father was high up in the company. Only 1 of 25 people quit. Belarus is a tinderbox ready to expode. Ukraine's relative success (people are happy, ecomoney is improving, etc) is making the grass look greener on the other side, if something isn't done Belarus has their own revolustion and Russia isn't far behind. We don't have to go to war with Russia. Stick a couple US troops near the border for a trianing misson as a deterent and give some under the table support to opposition Belarusians (which is pretty much the entire country). There isn't popular support for the War in Russia either. I think its 50/50, but I get getting concessions is the main goal. Also not sure of the true cost to Russia. Troops are already getting paid either way, gas to move equipment there is basically free to Russia. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:33:21 PM EDT
[#3]
He's making our president look like a dipshit without really doing much at all.
The question is whether someone will do something stupid enough to precipitate the situation into something much worse. That is certainly a possibility, whether we like to admit it or not. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:35:03 PM EDT
[#4]
The reason I'm starting to doubt it will happen is because Biden keeps saying it's going to happen.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:36:50 PM EDT
[#5]
New moon is soon, early next week, just before the Beijing “Olympics” from 4 - 22 Feb.
Next new moon is a week after that. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:38:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet a PMag Yep! Its going to go down |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:41:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it's smart to take so long to build up your offense. Everything is in public view these days and broadcast around the world almost in real time. But no one ever confused Russia with being smart. So I believe they will do something soon, next week or two. It may be very small in nature. Putin has to at least be smart enough to know he will get his dick slapped down if he launches a full scale invasion. And NATO/Europe will do NOTHING even if we do, because they are dependent on Russian natural gas for heat and electricity. Tell me, what good does it do to sanction Russia while Europe puts BILLIONS into the Russian treasury buying natural gas? One of the major failings of NATO, I don't know which is worse, the Euros leeching off of US Taxpayers for their security while they refuse to spend even 3% GDP on Defense; or Europe buying Russian natural gas while the US Taxpayers pay for their Defense with blood and gold. Trump tried to force NATO to just live up to their contractoral obligations, but the socialists refuse to defend themselves. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:43:53 PM EDT
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you guys seriously think that he's going to be like "oh lol nvm"
it's really a lose-lose situation for russian PR, no matter how it goes |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:46:24 PM EDT
[#9]
The answer is as soon as the wire transfer to Biden clears.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:49:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian economy is in shambles. He can't afford a war or the economic repercussions of it. The oligarchs would be most unhappy. This is a distraction for the domestic audience. This was true under under President Trump; as Trump ran down the cost of crude to the point where the Russians couldn’t pay their bills. Under Biden the cost of crude skyrocketed to the point where the Russians are a wash in cash. You have been played for a chump. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:49:43 PM EDT
[#11]
This weekend.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:51:08 PM EDT
[#12]
March 1 Biden delivers his first "State of The Onion Address"
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:56:38 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mid-February. Yes, it is to cold right now and waiting a month while the Ukrainian forces are fatigued from heightened alert during the dead of winter. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 5:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably wont unless Biden goads him into it. He won't until the check from Biden clears. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He wont Please stop with this crap. Nothing will happen No one believes you. The only possible reason for a stand down is to prop up Biden as he continues to weaken the United States. When the time is right The Russians will strike. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it is to cold right now and waiting a month while the Ukrainian forces are fatigued for heightened alert during the dead of winter.  |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:03:42 PM EDT
[#17]
#twoweeks
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:05:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of this should be settled with barehanded single combat between Putin and the Mayor of Kyiv. My money is on Putin if he brings his riding bear.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:11:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Putin will not kick anything off during the Olympics as that would divert world TV attention away from them and cost China.
It will be shortly after and the Russian flag will being flying over the entire country within two weeks/ |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:21:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last olympics in China Russia invaded Georgia for the opening ceremony. Good distracting time in the news cycle. Plus it pisses on Chinas parade.  |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:27:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no real reason for Putin to NOT take a good chunk of Ukraine (or all of it) right now. He wants it. His military assets are largely in position. The US and NATO have made it very clear that they are not willing to stop him, and will just sit on the sideline and make unhappy noises if he does. Why would he not take it? What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no real reason for Putin to NOT take a good chunk of Ukraine (or all of it) right now. He wants it. His military assets are largely in position. The US and NATO have made it very clear that they are not willing to stop him, and will just sit on the sideline and make unhappy noises if he does. Why would he not take it? What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. Putin doesn't want Ukraine. There is little of value left other than farmland, and Russia is already an exporter of food. Russia is not desperate for more land. Russia's main interest is that Ukraine does not become a host for NATO (US) military bases and weapons sites. If fighting breaks out, it will likely start in the East. Ukraine wants to take Donbass by force and Russia won't let that happen. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:40:03 PM EDT
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Putin amasses his troops on the border to get concessions from NATO and to prove he means business to the Ukrainian supporters within.
Honestly, I expect a coup before an invasion. Hell maybe even a takeover of the majority of their parliament. No shots need to be fired and Putin gets what he wants. Side benefit is it destabilizes the nat gas to Germany enough raise prizes and they will pay. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why is Russian spending HUGE amounts of resources (that is very expensive for their shitty economy) moving all of the military assets into position for an invasion? What would the purpose of that be, if they are not going to actually invade? What are they hoping to gain in exchange for their huge expenditure? If Russia is not going to invade, then there has to be a different reason for the build-up. Please explain what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He wont Please stop with this crap. Nothing will happen So why is Russian spending HUGE amounts of resources (that is very expensive for their shitty economy) moving all of the military assets into position for an invasion? What would the purpose of that be, if they are not going to actually invade? What are they hoping to gain in exchange for their huge expenditure? If Russia is not going to invade, then there has to be a different reason for the build-up. Please explain what it is. I guess you could've asked the same thing last year of the US - why we spent half a billion $$ putting 26,000 troops in DC for 2 months, to prevent a fake insurrection, while we had a shitty economy reeling from COVID lockdowns.  Seriously though, I agree, this is an awfully big effort to bluff, and I've got to imagine cost Russia a bit more than $500 million equivalent so far. I can't see Vlad doing this all for show, and not getting something out of it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:51:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no real reason for Putin to NOT take a good chunk of Ukraine (or all of it) right now. He wants it. His military assets are largely in position. The US and NATO have made it very clear that they are not willing to stop him, and will just sit on the sideline and make unhappy noises if he does. Why would he not take it? What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. He wants to get the band back together before Ringo gets too old to play. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:54:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it is going to happen. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:54:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Reuters article today says Russian blood reserves have been moved to the battle area.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:56:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. Seriously? 1. Russia wants to control satellite nations on its periphery - exactly like they did during the Soviet days - to have a “buffer” against potential invasion of Mother Russia. 2. Russia want to prevent NATO expansion. 3. Russia wants the glory days of the Soviet empire back, because ego and patriotism and history. 4. Russia wants more Black Sea access and more high quality farmland is definitely a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:04:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Back channel rumors are that Xi asked Putin to wait until after the olympics and may have even given the Russians positive incentive.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:06:01 PM EDT
[#30]
I'd say during the Olympics. And probably at 530pm DC time when Puton knows FJB will be busy watching Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune before dinner and bedtime.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:25:15 PM EDT
[#31]
China has already told Putin that the Olympic time frame is off limits
 . And after that comes spring.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:29:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tonight. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:30:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What color? Is it a SAND PMag?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think it is going to happen. I'd bet a PMag i.e. Invade by when? How many dudes make an invasion? What generation of PMag? What color? Is it a SAND PMag? |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:31:02 PM EDT
[#34]
When Brandon has ice cream again.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:35:31 PM EDT
[#35]
GD is slipping. monday duh
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:45:04 PM EDT
[#36]
As soon as he is convinced that whatever blackmail information he is holding over Joe and Hunter Biden's heads will remain effective.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:49:43 PM EDT
[#37]
If you think it will happen buy ammo. Biden first sanction will be to enforce the Russian ammo bam from August. Tula alone imports 2billion rounds a year so be ready for prices to go up.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:53:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Pie!!!!!
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:56:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no other reason, Russia will go in, in the next 2 weeks. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 8:03:03 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. You hit all the internet myths. They're all wrong. Russia has never been in a better position to invade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Russian economy is in shambles. He can't afford a war or the economic repercussions of it. The oligarchs would be most unhappy. This is a distraction for the domestic audience. Wow. You hit all the internet myths. They're all wrong. Russia has never been in a better position to invade. Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years... Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade... Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall... Greens party gains control of West German Parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil... Mexico plunged into revolution... NATO dissolves. United States stands alone. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 8:34:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? 1. Russia wants to control satellite nations on its periphery - exactly like they did during the Soviet days - to have a “buffer” against potential invasion of Mother Russia. 2. Russia want to prevent NATO expansion. 3. Russia wants the glory days of the Soviet empire back, because ego and patriotism and history. 4. Russia wants more Black Sea access and more high quality farmland is definitely a good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What does he want it for? Its oil? Its coal? Its uranium? Besides wheat, what does the Ukraine have? Is WW III worth it to him and Russia? BTW, why should we care what happens there? Is it worth WW III to us? Our military is weakened with jabs and wokeness. Seriously? 1. Russia wants to control satellite nations on its periphery - exactly like they did during the Soviet days - to have a “buffer” against potential invasion of Mother Russia. 2. Russia want to prevent NATO expansion. 3. Russia wants the glory days of the Soviet empire back, because ego and patriotism and history. 4. Russia wants more Black Sea access and more high quality farmland is definitely a good thing. Don’t forget #5 “Russia is paranoid as fuck and loves itself” |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 8:42:45 PM EDT
[#42]
He's gone too far. I think he jumps, although im not sure what his real gain is.
The only way that he doesn't take a big chunk of Ukraine is a big concession or unseasonably warm temps and/or spring thaw stops him. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 8:58:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet a PMag Pay Up Russia has been in Ukraine for about 8 years after the initial invasion in 2014. The world has ignored this issue and pretended nothing happened but Ukrainians have been screaming about this, only to have silence. Crimea is Ukraine and they will not cede this to Russia. Yes, they're not willing to fight for it but that's another issue. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 9:04:34 PM EDT
[#44]
US Embassy was telling expats to get out and that the country was now off limits for Americans to travel into, which I called BS. I guess I'll find out Monday! I'm not too afraid but locals have posted pictures of the Brits flying in weapons so the airport could be problematic for me.
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Posted: 1/29/2022 2:12:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last olympics in China Russia invaded Georgia for the opening ceremony. Good distracting time in the news cycle. Plus it pisses on Chinas parade. Wow, you bring up a good point… 2008 Olympics (in China): Invasion of Georgia 2014 Olympics (in Russia): Annexation of Crimea 2022 Olympics (in China): ??? Seems to be a bit of a pattern… |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 5:01:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, you bring up a good point… 2008 Olympics (in China): Invasion of Georgia 2014 Olympics (in Russia): Annexation of Crimea 2022 Olympics (in China): ??? Seems to be a bit of a pattern… There does seem to be a pattern. The US and its proxies try to start shit during the Olympics thinking Russia will not intervene. The incompetence of US leadership shines through and it blows up in its face and Russia pulls off a strategic win. Zelensky doesn't seem to be playing ball with the US. He isn't stupid and has seen how other leaders have been used and then thrown under the bus after they've outlived their usefulness. Saakashvili is currently in a Georgian Prison and Poroshenko has recently been threatened with arrest and charges of treason. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 6:07:14 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, you bring up a good point… 2008 Olympics (in China): Invasion of Georgia 2014 Olympics (in Russia): Annexation of Crimea 2022 Olympics (in China): ??? Seems to be a bit of a pattern… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last olympics in China Russia invaded Georgia for the opening ceremony. Good distracting time in the news cycle. Plus it pisses on Chinas parade. Wow, you bring up a good point… 2008 Olympics (in China): Invasion of Georgia 2014 Olympics (in Russia): Annexation of Crimea 2022 Olympics (in China): ??? Seems to be a bit of a pattern… Ok, now my possibility meter has gone up, but not by a lot.
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Posted: 1/29/2022 6:08:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NEVER False flag to laundry weapons to, who knows who 2...... Who did what? |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 6:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNvm just hit 50k! |
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