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D-Day was a demand by Stalin. He was running out of meat to throw into the machine and he desperately needed a second front. View Quote Several historians have analyzed the "what if?" scenario of D-Day 1944 failing and the Allies getting pushed back into the channel. They all came to the same conclusion: By end of 1946, the USSR would have pushed through Germany and into Western Europe, installing Communist puppet governments in Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Italy, etc. all across Europe. The Iron Curtain would have stood at the English Channel. I have read history books reporting that the chant on the lips of the lead Red Army units was "on to England!" That should scare the SHIT out of us... |
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Yep. Going to continue my trend of watching all Nolan movies on the big screen.
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Yeah cuz Nolan. He's not going to make a bad film although to be completely honest, I didn't think the Dunkirk trailers were that good.
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Yes, Stalin was right to accuse the West of "being willing to fight Hitler down to the last drop of Russian blood," but I seriously doubt he was willing to pull a separate peace with Hitler even if D-Day failed or didn't happen. The Red Army, once it got its shit together (well in advance of D-Day), was kicking German ass steadily. Several historians have analyzed the "what if?" scenario of D-Day 1944 failing and the Allies getting pushed back into the channel. They all came to the same conclusion: By end of 1946, the USSR would have pushed through Germany and into Western Europe, installing Communist puppet governments in Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Italy, etc. all across Europe. The Iron Curtain would have stood at the English Channel. I have read history books reporting that the chant on the lips of the lead Red Army units was "on to England!" That should scare the SHIT out of us... View Quote |
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Early reviews saying this is one of the best war movies ever made. I'm a little surprised but now I'm stoked. Looking forward to it this week!
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Yes, Stalin was right to accuse the West of "being willing to fight Hitler down to the last drop of Russian blood," but I seriously doubt he was willing to pull a separate peace with Hitler even if D-Day failed or didn't happen. The Red Army, once it got its shit together (well in advance of D-Day), was kicking German ass steadily. Several historians have analyzed the "what if?" scenario of D-Day 1944 failing and the Allies getting pushed back into the channel. They all came to the same conclusion: By end of 1946, the USSR would have pushed through Germany and into Western Europe, installing Communist puppet governments in Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Italy, etc. all across Europe. The Iron Curtain would have stood at the English Channel. I have read history books reporting that the chant on the lips of the lead Red Army units was "on to England!" That should scare the SHIT out of us... View Quote |
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D-Day was a demand by Stalin. He was running out of meat to throw into the machine and he desperately needed a second front. View Quote |
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Number 4 Mark 1 There might have been a few Number 1 Mark 3s but most of those would have been wire wrapped and used as dedicated rifle grenade launchers af that point. View Quote No 4 mass production didn't begin until 1941. No 1 Mk III would have been the main type in use. The Australians and NZ never used the No 4. My Aussie No 1 Mk III* was made in 1942. |
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No. No. 4s weren't even in full production by Dunkirk, despite being adopted in 1939. Full wartime production didn't start until 1941 and most units got them on the ramp up to Operation Husky in '43. ETA: The Mk. IIIs remained in service until the end of the war in any case. View Quote |
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Not many war flicks my daughter wants to see, but some teeny bopper boy band kid is in Dunkirk, so we are going to see it together.
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Yeah, but where would Pearl Harbor be without the romance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I wonder if the Russians would have kicked Germany's ass if the Nazis had only one front to fight on. Probably the Russians would have won, but I'm not totally convinced View Quote Hitler thought the war would be over quickly, that if he took Moscow the Soviet leadership would overthrow Stalin and make peace with Hitler, giving him all former Soviet republics, specifically Ukraine and other highly desired territories that Germany coveted for expansion. But Hitler greatly underestimated the Soviet and Stalin in particular, who had a much firmer hold on the Soviet leadership following the '37 purges which removed anyone even remotely in position or temperament to challenge Stalin's leadership. After the blitzkrieg failed in the winter of '41-42, the next chance to win the war came in the grand offensive of '43 when Germany pushed southeast to the Caucuses to snatch up the oil rich territory of modern Azerbaijan. But that attack hinged on securing the eastern flank of the forces heading to Baku, which meant securing Stalingrad. We all know how that battle went, so when the German Army fighting there was destroyed it exposed the supply line of the Army fighting south, so they were forced to retreat and abandon the offensive for fear of being cut off and wiped out. From that point forward the war was essentially lost for Hitler, in that there was no way to win it. He knew this too. '43 onwards was a purely defensive war trying to bleed the attackers white hoping the Soviets, the UK, or the US would agree to a cease fire. But we made it clear that we would only accept an unconditional surrender, and since this meant war crime charges for Hitler and all his top people, and most of the Wehrmacht brass and industrial leaders, they decided to fight to the death instead. Hitler believed that the German people had betrayed them and basically wanted them all to die along with him as punishment for their treason against National Socialism. |
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Help me out, is Dunkirk the British version of the Alamo?
I just don't understand how you can have 400,000 of your troops pushed into the sea, yet you're proud of it? |
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Help me out, is Dunkirk the British version of the Alamo? I just don't understand how you can have 400,000 of your troops pushed into the sea, yet you're proud of it? View Quote |
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Help me out, is Dunkirk the British version of the Alamo? I just don't understand how you can have 400,000 of your troops pushed into the sea, yet you're proud of it? View Quote |
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can't wait to see it.
Russia couldn't of defeated Germany without our help. Without America & Britain you have German Troops & Italian troops freed from AfriKa, Gas coming from Iran and you open the possibility of Japan invading from the Pacific suddenly Russia becomes Germany fighting a 2 front war. Stalin showed up to the business meeting's with Churchill & FDR because he needed us, when you don't need people you skip meetings - Stalin was at all the meetings. tom hardy and a spitfire, good recipe for a movie! |
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https://twitter.com/AprilHathcock/status/886332752391524352 View Quote Read a book! Read a muthafukkin' BOOK! ETA nobody is THAT stupid. Is that a troll tweet? |
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Germany knew going into the war they couldn't win the long of war of attrition but new innovations with mobility and air power meant they might be able to win the decisive battle of maneuver and end the conflict before attrition truly set in and destroyed the force. It worked in Poland and France but didn't work in the Soviet Union, because the size of the country, the larger population, the greater industrial capabilities of the commies, and the more natural resources. Hitler thought the war would be over quickly, that if he took Moscow the Soviet leadership would overthrow Stalin and make peace with Hitler, giving him all former Soviet republics, specifically Ukraine and other highly desired territories that Germany coveted for expansion. But Hitler greatly underestimated the Soviet and Stalin in particular, who had a much firmer hold on the Soviet leadership following the '37 purges which removed anyone even remotely in position or temperament to challenge Stalin's leadership. After the blitzkrieg failed in the winter of '41-42, the next chance to win the war came in the grand offensive of '43 when Germany pushed southeast to the Caucuses to snatch up the oil rich territory of modern Azerbaijan. But that attack hinged on securing the eastern flank of the forces heading to Baku, which meant securing Stalingrad. We all know how that battle went, so when the German Army fighting there was destroyed it exposed the supply line of the Army fighting south, so they were forced to retreat and abandon the offensive for fear of being cut off and wiped out. From that point forward the war was essentially lost for Hitler, in that there was no way to win it. He knew this too. '43 onwards was a purely defensive war trying to bleed the attackers white hoping the Soviets, the UK, or the US would agree to a cease fire. But we made it clear that we would only accept an unconditional surrender, and since this meant war crime charges for Hitler and all his top people, and most of the Wehrmacht brass and industrial leaders, they decided to fight to the death instead. Hitler believed that the German people had betrayed them and basically wanted them all to die along with him as punishment for their treason against National Socialism. View Quote |
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Read a book! Read a book! Read a muthafukkin' BOOK! ETA nobody is THAT stupid. Is that a troll tweet? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hitler did not help with his FRAGOs changing his army groups' objectives several times, normwith losing several weeks of good weather due to bailing the Italians out after their misfortune in the Balkans. Had Barbarossa started on time and the center Army Group sped toward Moscow, they probably would have captured it. View Quote |
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can't wait to see it. Russia couldn't of defeated Germany without our help. Without America & Britain you have German Troops & Italian troops freed from AfriKa, Gas coming from Iran and you open the possibility of Japan invading from the Pacific suddenly Russia becomes Germany fighting a 2 front war. ! View Quote |
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I don't speak Twit, so it me a while to realize: 1) POC didn't mean "point of contact", 2) April apparently doesn't understand the difference between an invasion and an evacuation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://twitter.com/AprilHathcock/status/886332752391524352 It's been a rough couple days. Yesterday, I was apparently the last person in America to learn who Steven Tyler is. Getting old isn't for a candyass. |
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Co-workers keep bugging me to see it in 70mm. And one of them even worked on it. I'll probably go
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Ow, ow ow, make it stop! The stupid, it hurts! And yes, I'm definitely going to see Dunkirk in the theaters. |
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