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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:28:17 AM EDT
SBR OAL, with a carbine/rifle length barrel...seems like a win win.
The stuff that is out there now is awesome, but very pricey. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? I mostly just want one of these. 
or these 
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:29:52 AM EDT
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Price
Parts availability (relative to an AR platform) Manual of Arms Different ergonomics |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:30:09 AM EDT
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Thread title: Why aren't bullpups more popular?
In your first post: Quoted:
Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? That's why they're not more popular. Thread solved, next question. 
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:30:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:30:40 AM EDT
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Because the FS 2000 failed to live up to expectations.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:31:28 AM EDT
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To me they look like the kind of weapon a fag would want.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:32:19 AM EDT
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Because the FS 2000 failed to live up to expectations. Tactical TUNA! Personally, I'm interested in the new Desert-Tech bullpup.... -ZA |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:32:30 AM EDT
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Most people don't want to learn the trigger, which has me on the fence about the Tavor--but Geissele fixes that with the Super Sabra.
Some say that they're not designed for long distance shooting, but short range engagements in cramped spaces--but I've seen people do quite well with bullpups at the range and sniper rifles come in bullpup configurations. Some don't like that the cartridge is going off right next to their face. And then there's the cost. I don't necessarily agree with all of the points, but I have considered them. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:32:56 AM EDT
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Personally, I prefer as few moving parts in a trigger group as possible. Linkages have more fail points.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:35:12 AM EDT
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Because the FS 2000 failed to live up to expectations. You seem FAMILIAR...  
I'm kidding! I like my FS2000. Don't hate! I think a bunch of arfcomers hate the triggers on most bullpups. Price is a problem as well. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thread title: Why aren't bullpups more popular? In your first post: That's why they're not more popular. Thread solved, next question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thread title: Why aren't bullpups more popular? In your first post: Quoted:
Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? That's why they're not more popular. Thread solved, next question. The other Aggie nailed it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:36:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thread title: Why aren't bullpups more popular? In your first post: That's why they're not more popular. Thread solved, next question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thread title: Why aren't bullpups more popular? In your first post: Quoted:
Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? That's why they're not more popular. Thread solved, next question. Yup. Makers of bullpups seem to content to command a very small portion of the firearms market at a very high price point. Until that changes, nothing else will. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:36:58 AM EDT
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Because we fear change and cling to our old school guns and religion.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:37:30 AM EDT
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No real performance advantage over already proven systems.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:38:07 AM EDT
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:38:22 AM EDT
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Because they ugly as a Clinton.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:39:22 AM EDT
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SBR OAL, with a carbine/rifle length barrel...seems like a win win. Oh Bullpup how have you failed us? Let us count the ways: 1) Seriously silly pricing 2) Slow magazine changes 3) Can't change stock length (for armor or body size) 4) A trigger that belongs on a stapler not a rifle 5) as pointed out a lack of replacement parts. 6) ergonomics usually not up to snuff 7) Generally can't switch shoulders at will w/o getting brass in the face. Only FN seems to address this issue. Other than that they're great. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:39:51 AM EDT
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Mostly no lefties, also no adjustable LOP.
My wife basically can't shoot my AUG at all. I, however, prefer my AUG to the AR's. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:40:07 AM EDT
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In before explosion right under my face.
In all seriousness, while I still like my ARs, I have been converted into a Tavor nut. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:40:11 AM EDT
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Quoted:
SBR OAL, with a carbine/rifle length barrel...seems like a win win. The stuff that is out there now is awesome, but very pricey. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? I mostly just want one of these. http://www.onpointsupply.com/images/keltec_rfb_fde_2.jpg or these http://www.iwi.us/iwi/media/products/Tavor-TSFD18.jpg What is AR priced? LWRC? Knight’s Armament? LaRue? All those are more expensive than a pup.... Pups usually have much higher end feature sets on the build, therefore you pay more... so you need to compare it to a better build AR platform. The tavor you pictured has a CHF barrel, better components, integrated sights, etc. A $400 AR doesn't have any of these. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:41:45 AM EDT
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Because only fat neckbeards have them
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:41:59 AM EDT
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Tavor = Amazing.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:42:27 AM EDT
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I think there are a few factors at play.
1st, pretty much every bullpup made prior to the AUG was a giant steaming turd that established a pattern that simply could not be ignored by shooters. 2nd, the well designed bullpups tend to be much more expensive than traditional designs, which when coupled with #1, doesn't encourage folk to give the concept a second chance. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:42:41 AM EDT
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All those are more expensive than a pup.... Do you prefer Pups or Shottys for Home Defizzle? |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Price, ugly and I do not want my head that close to a chamber.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:44:12 AM EDT
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It's because France.
France likes Socialism, unshaven armpits on women and bullpup rifles. The America I love is against these things.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:44:30 AM EDT
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Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:44:53 AM EDT
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Tactical TUNA! Personally, I'm interested in the new Desert-Tech bullpup.... -ZA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because the FS 2000 failed to live up to expectations. Tactical TUNA! Personally, I'm interested in the new Desert-Tech bullpup.... -ZA +1 
There's also the Radom MSBS Bullpup configuration, 
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:45:33 AM EDT
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What is AR priced? LWRC? Knight’s Armament? LaRue? All those are more expensive than a pup.... Pups usually have much higher end feature sets on the build, therefore you pay more... so you need to compare it to a better build AR platform. The tavor you pictured has a CHF barrel, better components, integrated sights, etc. A $400 AR doesn't have any of these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBR OAL, with a carbine/rifle length barrel...seems like a win win. The stuff that is out there now is awesome, but very pricey. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? I mostly just want one of these. http://www.onpointsupply.com/images/keltec_rfb_fde_2.jpg or these http://www.iwi.us/iwi/media/products/Tavor-TSFD18.jpg What is AR priced? LWRC? Knight’s Armament? LaRue? All those are more expensive than a pup.... Pups usually have much higher end feature sets on the build, therefore you pay more... so you need to compare it to a better build AR platform. The tavor you pictured has a CHF barrel, better components, integrated sights, etc. A $400 AR doesn't have any of these. Lets say 700-900 |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:46:50 AM EDT
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Other than the FN FS2000, they have a nasty habit of ejecting brass into your chin if you try to use them on the non-dominant shoulder, which is kind of important if you like not getting shot.
The Battle Tuna has its own issues: -Persistent $2000+ price tag -Plastic FCG. I can deal with frames and furniture being plastic but a mechanical component subject to repeated impact? 
-Looks like a bitch to clear a jam from -Parts availability
If they were the same price as a WalMart Colt, I'd have one just to <pew pew pew> around pretending I'm Master Chief, but for that kind of money I built a midlength with Noveske barrel and ACOG. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:47:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Price Parts availability (relative to an AR platform) Manual of Arms Different ergonomics |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:47:57 AM EDT
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The real mystery is why aren't Star Wars style blasters being developed. Isn't it time we move away from metallic cartridges?
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:49:34 AM EDT
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It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, I agree completely. They basically designed 90% of the gun (well, technically they bought the design), and then just never bothered to FINISH it, and instead just put it on sale. Idiots. But, I was just replying to the specific point that an "AR priced" bullpup did exist. And, to be fair, at the time, it was before all kinds of fancy rails and accessories for ARs. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:49:51 AM EDT
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It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes,  
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:49:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: . Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:50:06 AM EDT
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Because one size fits all is never the correct conclusion.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:50:27 AM EDT
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The real mystery is why aren't Star Wars style blasters being developed. Isn't it time we move away from metallic cartridges? Ask HK how the move away from metallic cartridges worked for them.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:50:37 AM EDT
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Speaking only for myself - it's because they are ugly as sin.
And I don't shoot ugly guns, (it's also one of the reasons I don't own a Glock....)
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:52:36 AM EDT
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ya, but it was ugly as shit, HORRIBLE trigger, and bad accuracy... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. Hey, that wasn't the question.
Actually it was a quite accurate rifle - but the sight base and horrible trigger made it hard to reach its potential. With a metal rail on top and a trigger job, it could be quite accurate. Certainly accurate enough for "combat" use ( say, as good as a FAL). |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, http://www.kmarms.com/images/slide-3.jpg Cool, what is it? |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:55:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real mystery is why aren't Star Wars style blasters being developed. Isn't it time we move away from metallic cartridges? Because the NFA and ATF.  You think John Browning could invent the guns he did under those rules? |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:55:03 AM EDT
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Other than the FN FS2000, they have a nasty habit of ejecting brass into your chin if you try to use them on the non-dominant shoulder, which is kind of important if you like not getting shot. The Battle Tuna has its own issues: -Persistent $2000+ price tag -Plastic FCG. I can deal with frames and furniture being plastic but a mechanical component subject to repeated impact?
-Looks like a bitch to clear a jam from -Parts availability
If they were the same price as a WalMart Colt, I'd have one just to <pew pew pew> around pretending I'm Master Chief, but for that kind of money I built a midlength with Noveske barrel and ACOG. The plastic trigger components aren't a problem at all. The AUG has been using them since the 70's |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:56:40 AM EDT
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It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, Kurt Wala had some nice 'fixes' for the M17, several ARFcommers sent their M17s to him for upgrade. Even then some issues were not fixable (ejections, magazine change, ergos were still sub par. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:57:13 AM EDT
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No real performance advantage over already proven systems. To me it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. In close quarters a handgun works. Any longer and an m4gery works. I don't understand the appeal. It's nice to have choices though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:57:56 AM EDT
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Cool, what is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. It was just a little bit too cheap in its execution. I almost bought everyone I looked at. I think that some of the gun companies need to hire a couple of Arfcommers as "stylists" to help them get shit right. The M17 could have been a big hit with just a few changes, http://www.kmarms.com/images/slide-3.jpg Cool, what is it? K&M update of the Bushmaster M17S. http://www.kmarms.com/M17S556.html |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:58:15 AM EDT
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I wouldn't turn down a Tavor or an RFB but I already have three magazine feed, semi auto rifles that shoot 5.56. I can easily get repair parts and I don't have to learn a new system.
For $1800 I would rather get more reloading components. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:58:52 AM EDT
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Hey, that wasn't the question.
Actually it was a quite accurate rifle - but the sight base and horrible trigger made it hard to reach its potential. With a metal rail on top and a trigger job, it could be quite accurate. Certainly accurate enough for "combat" use ( say, as good as a FAL). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Why hasn't anyone made an "AR priced" bullpup yet? Bushmaster did, for a long time - and NOBODY bought it. Hey, that wasn't the question.
Actually it was a quite accurate rifle - but the sight base and horrible trigger made it hard to reach its potential. With a metal rail on top and a trigger job, it could be quite accurate. Certainly accurate enough for "combat" use ( say, as good as a FAL). Again
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:59:10 AM EDT
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If the world was a NASCAR track, bullpups would be nice.
It's not though, so they are useless.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:59:35 AM EDT
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I have an AUG A3 and like it
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:59:49 AM EDT
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To me it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. In close quarters a handgun works. Any longer and an m4gery works. I don't understand the appeal. It's nice to have choices though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No real performance advantage over already proven systems. To me it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. In close quarters a handgun works. Any longer and an m4gery works. I don't understand the appeal. It's nice to have choices though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile To me, the appeal is for armored and airborne infantry to have compact rifles, without having to give up the benefits in velocity and ballistics that the longer barrel has. If you look at the evolution of the rifle over the past 200-250 years, the consistent movement is towards shorter and more compact. So it seems entirely logical to use the largely wasted and non-functional space in a stock to make the rifle more compact, without giving up functionality. |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 12:02:23 PM EDT
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You cant do the costa long arm hold.
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