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Quoted: Just read Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance. His point about white trash Appalachia as someone raised within it: Policy has some effect, but by and large the problems are cultural, and government can't fix the cultural problems. African tribal culture needs to change to make Africa economically advanced. As some have pointed out, the rise of Christianity in sub-Saharan Africa may eventually bring the necessary cultural change, but it depends on what type of Christianity. View Quote The brits got a lot right. Rhodesia was largely administered by a black managerial middle class, and the parts with brit populations are still some of the better places. India and Ireland are better places for having been anglicized. Pakistan was a better place when all their governing class went to christian prep schools. Hong Kong's tradition pf law is english. Iranians still regard english and american contacts as a cultural lifeline. Turning the world into an english speaking place with functioning courts and a common understanding of humanity is a better bet than leaving people to their own nonsense. Ann Coulter was essentially right. |
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Quoted: The brits got a lot right. Rhodesia was largely administered by a black managerial middle class, and the parts with brit populations are still some of the better places. India and Ireland are better places for having been anglicized. Pakistan was a better place when all their governing class went to christian prep schools. Hong Kong's tradition pf law is english. Iranians still regard english and american contacts as a cultural lifeline. Turning the world into an english speaking place with functioning courts and a common understanding of humanity is a better bet than leaving people to their own nonsense. Ann Coulter was essentially right. View Quote Essentially the result of Protestantism, which brought a culture of literacy (laity encouraged to own and read the Bible), rule of law (even the clergy are subject to the law of God), and positive view of common work (doctrine of vocation). There's a reason even today the formerly Catholic parts of Europe (south) lag the formerly Protestant parts (north) economically, even though neither is Christian any more. |
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You should move to a small forum, somewhere the rule of free speech still exists. You will not survive here. You are not a mod, and this is a land of mods now.
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Africa. Let those fuckers fend for themselves, except the oppressed South Africans. Let them come here. Agree 100% Trump had a chance. He could have granted refuge status at least to white Zimbabwean farmers. That would have significantly shifted the immigration Overton window. But all he cared about was Tweeting and rallies. |
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Quoted: Why do we set up factories in Thailand, Mexico, India, China, Malaysia, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc…. But nothing in Africa. I cannot think of a single thing I own that says made in Africa. Surely there is something that can be made there. View Quote What stopped themselves in the last 10,000 years of matching most of the rest of the world? |
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Quoted: The same snide remarks you guys in this thread are making towards Africa as a continent or people of African descent, people were making 100 years ago about the Chinese...And look where they are now... View Quote Bo knows racism. China also has a history of dynasties, and has contributed to all of the world with various inventions, philosophy, and countless other things we still use tot his day. What has all of Africa done in the last 3000 years ? They haven't evolved beyond tribalism and mud huts. |
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Why don't we industrialize ourselves so people who don't have masters degrees can make a respectable living here?
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Quoted: China is willing to subjugate, enslave and then discard any indigenous population in their conquest. They only care about the resources they can pull out of the ground. We nation build, waste money and coddle the locals. This means it's more profitable to China than us. We'd just wind up like the Belgians, or with Afghanistan 2.0. View Quote They have no concern at all for environmental disaster in their own neighborhoods and will care even less. In 100 years none of the animals there will exist in other than maybe zoos or photos. |
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Quoted: Why don't we industrialize ourselves so people who don't have masters degrees can make a respectable living here? View Quote Should we have kept using them, just so the barrel makers wouldn't be unemployed? |
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Quoted: Why do we set up factories in Thailand, Mexico, India, China, Malaysia, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc…. But nothing in Africa. I cannot think of a single thing I own that says made in Africa. Surely there is something that can be made there. View Quote It's Africa. Much of it is still super tribal. It's like the old saying goes you can take the boy out of the city but you can't take the city out of the boy. But in this case replace city with tribe. It's a society and cultural issue as well as education. good successful example for a nation there is Botswana ironically Is the post genocide troubles of the 1990s it has just been up-and-up for that nation. |
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Quoted: Barrel making used to be a skilled profession. Then barrels became obsolete. Should we have kept using them, just so the barrel makers wouldn't be unemployed? View Quote Lots of shit that isn't obsolete still needs to be manufactured. Instead of our people getting paid to do it, Chinese people get to. Their middle class is growing ours is endangered. Vast majority of taxes are paid by the middle class. There needs to be jobs for the less educated or the divide between the have's and the have not will keep growing till we are like Mexico. Stupid rich and dirt poor, very little in the middle. |
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Quoted: Lots of shit that isn't obsolete still needs to be manufactured. Instead of our people getting paid to do it, Chinese people get to. Their middle class is growing ours is endangered. Vast majority of taxes are paid by the middle class. There needs to be jobs for the less educated or the divide between the have's and the have not will keep growing till we are like Mexico. Stupid rich and dirt poor, very little in the middle. View Quote You are right but sadly it is too late for this nation to correct itself in that regard You can see it 1st hand in the automobile industryI easily Look at how many mid market brands are left, Buick and audi are the last of the classical ones left while Kia is a new comer now. This has been a snowballing problem since the Soviet Union collapsed. Eventually the country is going to be a place where only everyone either owns a cheap Toyota or a Mercedes Benz while only a small group will have one of the last suburban 3 bedroom 2 bath houses left with a Telluride out front |
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Here's what the Chinese are doing.
They don't care who they make the deal with. Mr. Warlord, we will build you a freeway that will take you from your mud hut to where your precious metals/gems are located and connect it with the nearest main intercontinental highway and to the nearest sea port. We will build you a palace to live in, power generation facilities, an airport, we sell you third tier military equipment we make at a substantial discount and we will provide training for your subjects so they can work in the mines. All you need to do is provide us with an area that is away from the local population where we can build a walled city with it's own powerplant that's near a sea port and/or the airport. You will owe us nothing for the first 5 years, after that, once the mines are running, you will provide us with 70% of your countries GNP. Failure to do so will result in you losing your throne and us taking all of the facilities we built back under our control. The Chinese are already doing it. What do you think will happen if and when the local warlord can't make its monthly nut to the Chinese? The words "Pay Me" come to mind. Attacked by the neighboring warlord? Fuck you, pay me. No winter rains? Fuck you, pay me. A little insurrection amongst the locals? Fuck you, pay me. |
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They called it colonization, and mostly revolted.
Sooo....you first. |
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Quoted: The chinese have also gotten away with killing locals, there are even rumors of cannibalism because of the weird chinese tradition of folk medicine. The things they do there are things that western nations could never get away with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: The chinese have also gotten away with killing locals, there are even rumors of cannibalism because of the weird chinese tradition of folk medicine. The things they do there are things that western nations could never get away with. The natives were engaging in cannibalism and genocide all over the continent long before China took root. Some of their war criminals even lived in the US. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/former-liberian-war-lord-known-jungle-jabbah-sentenced-30-years-prison-immigration According to trial testimony, in one instance Jabbateh ordered the heart of a captive be cooked and fed to his fighters. In another, fighters under the defendant’s command murdered a villager, removed his heart and ordered the town chief’s wife to cook it. Jabbateh later had the town chief himself murdered and ordered his widow to cook her husband’s heart. In December 1998, when making application for asylum, and later for permanent legal residency, the defendant was not truthful about his activities during Liberia’s first civil war while he was a member of the ULIMO and later ULIMO-K rebel groups that battled for control of Liberia. At Jabbateh’s trial, during two weeks of testimony from some two dozen witnesses, including 17 Liberian victims, the jury heard evidence that Jabbateh, as a ULIMO commander, either personally committed or ordered ULIMO fighters under his command to commit the following offenses: the murder of civilian noncombatants; the sexual enslavement of women; the maiming of civilian noncombatants; the torturing of civilian noncombatants; the enslavement of civilian noncombatants; the conscription of child soldiers; the execution of prisoners of war; the desecration of corpses and ritual consumption of human flesh; and the killing of persons because of race, religion, nationality, ethnic origin or political opinion. |
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Quoted: The same thing happened with all of the farms that were stolen. Rather than maintain and operate the farms, they scrapped and sold all of the irrigation equipment. What makes you think a factory would fare any differently? View Quote Took a Sanitary Engineering II class in college, teacher had been a Peace Corps volunteer in Uganda. Gave us a project problem of how to provide sanitary sewer and treatment to a city there, catch was the British built sewer system and treatment plant already there was abandoned and gutted. He was the engineer on the project. Just a conceptual answer was required. |
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Quoted: One hopes the bleeding hearts have good DNA samples of all the rare and unusual critters there because once the Chinese are done with it all the cool stuff will be dead. They have no concern at all for environmental disaster in their own neighborhoods and will care even less. In 100 years none of the animals there will exist in other than maybe zoos or photos. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: China is willing to subjugate, enslave and then discard any indigenous population in their conquest. They only care about the resources they can pull out of the ground. We nation build, waste money and coddle the locals. This means it's more profitable to China than us. We'd just wind up like the Belgians, or with Afghanistan 2.0. They have no concern at all for environmental disaster in their own neighborhoods and will care even less. In 100 years none of the animals there will exist in other than maybe zoos or photos. As I recall, ADVChina did a youtube video on how there are almost no songbirds left in China. They are harvested (as a meat source) without any concern for conserving the population. Kinda sheds new light on the North Korean propaganda claims (from a few years back) that we in the US melt snow to make coffee and we have no songbirds left because we ate all of them. |
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Quoted: As I recall, ADVChina did a youtube video on how there are almost no songbirds left in China. They are harvested (as a meat source) without any concern for conserving the population. Kinda sheds new light on the North Korean propaganda claims (from a few years back) that we in the US melt snow to make coffee and we have no songbirds left because we ate all of them. View Quote There are birds but we are saving them for tuesday USA in eyes of North Korean TV |
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They make Bata boots and shoes at a factory in Kenya, it’s possible.
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Quoted: As I recall, ADVChina did a youtube video on how there are almost no songbirds left in China. They are harvested (as a meat source) without any concern for conserving the population. Kinda sheds new light on the North Korean propaganda claims (from a few years back) that we in the US melt snow to make coffee and we have no songbirds left because we ate all of them. View Quote That was a saving face operation. |
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To use Africa to it's full potential you would have to have a basic lack of morals, and human dignity.
In steps China |
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Quoted: My 2008 BMW 328i was made in South Africa. View Quote There are actually a LOT of car factories in South Africa. I remember back in the 80s, there was a Peugeot factory (and the cars were very popular in Africa), According to wiki, these are the factories there today : Birkin Cars BMW South Africa Ford Motor Company of Southern Africa (FMCSA) Harper Isuzu South Africa Land Systems Motorite Racing N4 Trucks Nissan South Africa SAMIL Trucks Paramount Group Puma Toyota South Africa Motors |
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If they haven't figured it out on their own then they aren't capable of maintaining/appreciating/participating in anything you do for them.
even the chinese wont do what needs to be done for africa to prosper,of course I really don't think they care about that |
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I thought VWAG still had a factory there too.
Quoted: Why don't we industrialize ourselves so people who don't have masters degrees can make a respectable living here? View Quote Quoted: Lots of shit that isn't obsolete still needs to be manufactured. Instead of our people getting paid to do it, Chinese people get to. Their middle class is growing ours is endangered. Vast majority of taxes are paid by the middle class. There needs to be jobs for the less educated or the divide between the have's and the have not will keep growing till we are like Mexico. Stupid rich and dirt poor, very little in the middle. View Quote I have a number of clients who are small manufacturers in the US. If you want someone who will show up everyday, you really need to start at $20 per hour, $40k per annum. That's just the wage. You'll have payroll and other assorted nonsense that adds another $20k to that cost. If your manufacturing is any more modern than making whiskey barrels, you are going to have a book of MSDS sheets you need to keep current. If more than a couple of people get hurt at work, even if they are the ones who caused the accident, your Worker's Comp insurance will become unaffordable. If that person you started at $20 per hour has any initiative, he will leave for another line of work. When COVID hit, older laborers were happy to come back to work after a couple of weeks even though they were collecting amazing unemployment benefits. People under 30 were much harder to get back to work. We have decided socially and politically that we don't want manufacturing and we show it in our laws. That's bad news if you've an IQ of 85 and would like to work. We also have odd ideas of a respectable living. That kid making $20 an hour can have a small house and a car and so much food that he could afford to eat himself into an early grave. But his wife has to have a car even if she doesn't work. They need a TV as big as their front door. They both need an iPhone and a plan. And a pool. The lad makes a respectable living, but we tell him he's a failure because he isn't buried in junk. |
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Quoted: Made in USA is not actually that expensive; the cheapest pack of hangers at wallmart (10x for $2) were made in USA. Reportedly a 3M N95 mask made in US is $0.36, vs $0.30 for a 3M made in China. The Bic lighter - one of the cheapest and most reliable consumer products on earth - is made in USA/France. Undershirts are $12 for made in USA. And thats with the US's much diminished supply of textile mills. An increase in production would lower prices a good deal, as would future improvements in factory automation. https://i.ibb.co/Bq0S7P2/Screen-Shot-2021-07-15-at-4-31-20-AM.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe....and i know this is a crazy idea....but just perhaps we should be setting up the means of production here, within the confines of our own borders. The main reason our supply chain is failing right now is because we are fully dependent on shipments of crucial supplies from across oceans. We need a government that stops creating barriers to commerce. Ill take a policy of isolationism over one of globalism every time. Enjoy $30 undershirts. Made in USA is not actually that expensive; the cheapest pack of hangers at wallmart (10x for $2) were made in USA. Reportedly a 3M N95 mask made in US is $0.36, vs $0.30 for a 3M made in China. The Bic lighter - one of the cheapest and most reliable consumer products on earth - is made in USA/France. Undershirts are $12 for made in USA. And thats with the US's much diminished supply of textile mills. An increase in production would lower prices a good deal, as would future improvements in factory automation. https://i.ibb.co/Bq0S7P2/Screen-Shot-2021-07-15-at-4-31-20-AM.png |
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Low IQ. Africans have no Neanderthal DNA.
Attached File There is a reason why no matter how good willed you are in trying to transform Africa. It always turns to shit. Low IQ people cannot see the value in building a society. It’s too localized. When you try to rise up, others will pull you down. For Asians, Whites, you rise up, others will try to out do you thus bettering society. Productive people are rewarded with more comfortable lives. Less productive people work for them. This cannot be so in Africa. Any time somebody is successful/smart, there is jealously and that smart/successful person is ridiculed/beaten. This is not from colonization, colonization utilized resources beneath Africans feet. It’s the only reason why Africa is relevant today. Like a person in the US, if you won a $10,000 scratcher. A smart person will invest it and make it grow to $100,000. A dumb person would buy a quad, trailer and snacks. Also why you cannot run a company there. A smart person sees a container manufacture facility. They make containers for shipping and making shipping cheaper. Provides jobs, $$$ in local economy, younger generation wants to work there so they build intelligence to make that facility even more productive and competitive. A low IQ person does not know how it all works, it’s literally magic to them. So when there is a crisis, they know that they can scrap the facility to make $$$ and better their lives. They don’t have the cognitive ability to preserve the facility as it benefits everybody. That’s why they scrap farms, machinery etc...they don’t have the processing power to utilize it. |
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I just watched Stossel's vid on Africa.
Cliff Notes: It's regulations. (Yes that surprised me too, I thought they didn't have that many. Stossel: Lessons From Africa |
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Quoted: I just watched Stossel's vid on Africa. Cliff Notes: It's regulations. (Yes that surprised me too, I thought they didn't have that many. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqD3QbzSsIs View Quote South Africa has more bureaucracy than any other country I’ve ever dealt with by far. |
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Unstable governments, business is reluctant to invest when they could lose it all a year later with a new government in power.
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This is a seed. It will grow food you can eat. It needs water. If water isn't on top of the ground, it's probably under it. This is a fishing pole. It's not to beat your wife with. This is a hook for the string on your fishing rod. No, it doesn't go into your nose.....etc.
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I have an acquaintance who is an investment advisor. I was thinking of throwing some money his way to see what he could do so over dinner I asked where he would advise clients to invest. His answer........Africa.
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The entire world has dumped trillions into Africa. We all need to just trade with them when profitable and let them live as they see fit.
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Quoted: Unstable governments, business is reluctant to invest when they could lose it all a year later with a new government in power. View Quote Very important point. Lots of countries in Africa are unstable, and change governments often (not uncommonly via a coup). Nationalizing foreign assets has been a very popular past-time in Africa, and foreign companies would be INSANE to invest tons of money into building valuable assets that could just be seized at a whim. When my dad ran one of the largest companies in Nigeria (the most populous country in Africa), the company used to be a British company, but it was eventually part nationalized by the Nigerian government after independence - but because they still wanted the British to run it, it was 50% nationalized. So there would be a CEO sent from London (which was my dad for a while), and he would run the company with a second CEO appointed by the government (which would be a local chieftain or important political figure). My dad's instructions from the London office were VERY clear, and they were two-fold: 1) DO NOT invest a penny into the company. As long as it is making any money, keep working, and we can at least extract some profit. But there was zero interest in investing any outside money into operations in Nigeria. In part because they realized that the government COULD decide to 100% nationalize it at any moment. There were several coups and attempted coups while my parents lived there: in one of them a tank was parked in front of their compound, firing the main gun into their neighbor's house. 2) DO NOT investigate or try to limit any of the grotesque and outrageous embezzlement and corruption you see in the company. My dad said it was super-obvious that all levels of management were stealing from the company. He'd have mid-level managers who wore suits that cost more than their monthly wages, and wore watches and drove cars that they not possibly afford. He shared a secretary with the other CEO, and he was relatively confident she was stealing about $1 million (US) from the company every year (and presumably had dirt on the CEO, who of course was stealing FAR more than that). My dad was pretty sure that he could easily increase profits by at least $10 million a year, by just stopping some of the most obvious and blatant embezzlement. The London office told him - in VERY strong terms - to not dare to even touch it. The explanation was simple. The average annual wage in Nigeria at the time was something like $20/year for an individual. If someone who was stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year saw that "income" being threatened, it would be super-easy to hire someone to kill my dad ... possibly one of the servants, drivers, or security guards at the compound. Life is cheap there, and the company has no doubt that their CEO would be killed if he tried to stop the stealing. So he was ordered to just look the other way. |
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Quoted: Mosquitoes! View Quote 1:08 Jimmy Carr Tells His Favorite Joke He's Ever Written |
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Quoted: Here's what the Chinese are doing. They don't care who they make the deal with. Mr. Warlord, we will build you a freeway that will take you from your mud hut to where your precious metals/gems are located and connect it with the nearest main intercontinental highway and to the nearest sea port. We will build you a palace to live in, power generation facilities, an airport, we sell you third tier military equipment we make at a substantial discount and we will provide training for your subjects so they can work in the mines. All you need to do is provide us with an area that is away from the local population where we can build a walled city with it's own powerplant that's near a sea port and/or the airport. You will owe us nothing for the first 5 years, after that, once the mines are running, you will provide us with 70% of your countries GNP. Failure to do so will result in you losing your throne and us taking all of the facilities we built back under our control. The Chinese are already doing it. What do you think will happen if and when the local warlord can't make its monthly nut to the Chinese? The words "Pay Me" come to mind. Attacked by the neighboring warlord? Fuck you, pay me. No winter rains? Fuck you, pay me. A little insurrection amongst the locals? Fuck you, pay me. View Quote Why does this look like how the Brits colonized India? |
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