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Quoted: Who cares what they do? Unless you only keep grandpa's old single shot .22 and a social security card in your "safe", you should be buying a TL30x6 anyway. Because pitchforks and mobs and shit People were told to be mad and to stay on the bandwagon they are now anti liberty safes to go along with being anti black rifle coffee et al. |
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Quoted: Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. Quoted: Quoted: Should I throw my two liberty safes away now?   Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. You say that like the feds won’t be able to get into any safe they want. |
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Quoted: Who needs the tech when you can have a low level gov employee make a phone call Quoted: Quoted: I find it very hard to believe that thte FBI doesn't have the technology to break into a Liberty Safe  I also don't think some of you conspiracy retards understand how warrants work. Who needs the tech when you can have a low level gov employee make a phone call We’re calling a couple of dudes and a 6 foot pry bar tech now? |
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Liberty even admitted that they had a warrant for the guy's house. How did liberty KNOW that the safe was going to be in the house at the time the warrant was served? They should not have given any codes without a warrant for the SAFE, not just a blanket warrant for the location. extremely bad form on thier part and they will pay for it. |
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Quoted: If your position on this isn't "Why did Liberty have the codes in the first place?" you're not thinking about this correctly. You can't give away what you don't have. There should not be a "factory tech" backdoor into a safe. If there is, there had better damn well be a way to change the default "admin" password and no easy way to bypass it. Liberty's design sucks. This is exactly what Apple understands. |
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Why is everyone so mad at Liberty Safes? Because Liberty Safes are complete protection against any form of attack that the federal government could put upon the residential security container and unless and until Liberty gave up the combination there was literally no possibly way in the universe to get into the safe. They all should get cancer and die.  In reality the reason everyone is so mad at Liberty Safes is they have low levels of intelligence. |
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Quoted: A TL30x6 is no more effective than a RSC if they have the code. Quoted: Quoted: Who cares what they do? Unless you only keep grandpa's old single shot .22 and a social security card in your "safe", you should be buying a TL30x6 anyway. A TL30x6 is no more effective than a RSC if they have the code. The feds likely have unlimited time and money to punch the safe. With or without the code, they are going to open it. |
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Quoted: Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. Quoted: Quoted: Should I throw my two liberty safes away now? Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. |
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Quoted: Why is everyone so mad at Liberty Safes? Because Liberty Safes are complete protection against any form of attack that the federal government could put upon the residential security container and unless and until Liberty gave up the combination there was literally no possibly way in the universe to get into the safe. They all should get cancer and die. In reality the reason everyone is so mad at Liberty Safes is they have low levels of intelligence. No. The reason they are mad is that the man purchased a safe. It was his property. If he wanted to give access, it was his choice to do so. Liberty made that choice, without being compelled to. |
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Quoted: Us would have refused. Us would have refused when shown a legal warrant? Us would have been replaced immediately by another company that wants legal money. GD is comparing legal search warrants to government overreach/tyranny, which is typical behavior but also typically incorrect. |
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Quoted: The feds likely have unlimited time and money to punch the safe. With or without the code, they are going to open it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who cares what they do? Unless you only keep grandpa's old single shot .22 and a social security card in your "safe", you should be buying a TL30x6 anyway. A TL30x6 is no more effective than a RSC if they have the code. The feds likely have unlimited time and money to punch the safe. With or without the code, they are going to open it. @C3H5N3O9 @HRoark87 Very good points. The feds were going to get in either way, but Liberty giving out the code willingly (and even having a code in the first place) is totally bogus. Will Liberty give you that code if you lock yourself out or do they make you hire a locksmith? (I already know the answer) |
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Quoted: I completely understand the indignation of the people, but technically speaking, whether it was righteous or not, the feds had a warrant. Instead of punching the safe, Liberty provided the code. It could be as simple as Liberty was trying to preserve their customer’s property. Would it have been nice if they said, “Break it open, you’re not getting a code from us.” Maybe, but I think the pivot would then be, “Reeeeee!!! Look at how easy the feds got into a Liberty Safe!” Quoted: Quoted: The irony is it’s not like they wouldn’t have gotten in, that just made it easier. Liberty safes can be peeled open on the side in 30 seconds with a 4.5” angle grinder. His guns were in no way safe from the feds before Liberty cooperated with the subpoena . I completely understand the indignation of the people, but technically speaking, whether it was righteous or not, the feds had a warrant. Instead of punching the safe, Liberty provided the code. It could be as simple as Liberty was trying to preserve their customer’s property. Would it have been nice if they said, “Break it open, you’re not getting a code from us.” Maybe, but I think the pivot would then be, “Reeeeee!!! Look at how easy the feds got into a Liberty Safe!” The feds had a warrant for a house, not information held by liberty safe. If the Feds have a warrant to search your house, are you cool with vanguard giving them your log in so they can take your retirement account to be held as “evidence”? Or how about google or apple giving them a back door into your phone? Your post above says yes. The had a warrant…. All they needed was a third party who held the password to give them the password… @falex |
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Quoted: the feds got the warrant...then hired us, private contractors, to open the safes for them because they were not capable of doing it themselves Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I find it very hard to believe that thte FBI doesn't have the technology to break into a Liberty Safe I also don't think some of you conspiracy retards understand how warrants work. Liberty was served the warrant the feds got the warrant...then hired us, private contractors, to open the safes for them because they were not capable of doing it themselves A. Anyone with a functioning brain can get into a Liberty Safe. It's called "power tools." B. If federal agents really don't have functioning brains, imagine an America where every single private contractor, heck every single regular Joe on the street told them to go fuck themselves when asked or ordered to help. |
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Quoted: @C3H5N3O9 @HRoark87 Very good points. The feds were going to get in either way, but Liberty giving out the code willingly (and even having a code in the first place) is totally bogus. Will Liberty give you that code if you lock yourself out or do they make you hire a locksmith? (I already know the answer) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who cares what they do? Unless you only keep grandpa's old single shot .22 and a social security card in your "safe", you should be buying a TL30x6 anyway. A TL30x6 is no more effective than a RSC if they have the code. The feds likely have unlimited time and money to punch the safe. With or without the code, they are going to open it. @C3H5N3O9 @HRoark87 Very good points. The feds were going to get in either way, but Liberty giving out the code willingly (and even having a code in the first place) is totally bogus. Will Liberty give you that code if you lock yourself out or do they make you hire a locksmith? (I already know the answer) Liberty will give you the code. They sent it to me. They are actually really easy to deal with. |
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Quoted: Why do they have the code? Why is there a way for the factory to get into my safe after they sell it to me? Bad design. That information is retained because people are idiots and forget the combination for they’re safe. Master Lock company keeps a record of all their combinations for customer service. |
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Quoted: @C3H5N3O9 @HRoark87 Very good points. The feds were going to get in either way, but Liberty giving out the code willingly (and even having a code in the first place) is totally bogus. Will Liberty give you that code if you lock yourself out or do they make you hire a locksmith? (I already know the answer) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who cares what they do? Unless you only keep grandpa's old single shot .22 and a social security card in your "safe", you should be buying a TL30x6 anyway. A TL30x6 is no more effective than a RSC if they have the code. The feds likely have unlimited time and money to punch the safe. With or without the code, they are going to open it. @C3H5N3O9 @HRoark87 Very good points. The feds were going to get in either way, but Liberty giving out the code willingly (and even having a code in the first place) is totally bogus. Will Liberty give you that code if you lock yourself out or do they make you hire a locksmith? (I already know the answer) I think someone in the other thread said it would take maybe an hour to subpoena Liberty for the code if Liberty had told the feds to pound sand. Liberty should have made the feds do it anyway, but once Liberty had a database of customers and reset codes they were giving up the code if the feds wanted it. |
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Quoted: See, here's the thing: if the Feds want into your safe they're getting in whether they get the code or not. The real issue is WHY are they trying to get into your safe? That's the issue we need to be attacking, not Liberty. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Should I throw my two liberty safes away now? Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. See, here's the thing: if the Feds want into your safe they're getting in whether they get the code or not. The real issue is WHY are they trying to get into your safe? That's the issue we need to be attacking, not Liberty. I think they can lie on affidavits with NO REPURCUSSIONS. |
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Quoted: Pretty soon they won’r even need to call places like Liberty. They’ll have them by just asking politely or threatening to sic the ADL on them. It's been downhill since they shut the power grid off in Los Angeles on Christmas Eve without a warrant. Agents shouldn't be allowed to threaten ones livelihood when there are proper legal protocols established to follow. |
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Quoted: The feds had a warrant for a house, not information held by liberty safe. If the Feds have a warrant to search your house, are you cool with vanguard giving them your log in so they can take your retirement account to be held as “evidence”? Or how about google or apple giving them a back door into your phone? Your post above says yes. The had a warrant…. All they needed was a third party who held the password to give them the password… @falex I suppose they could have just smashed the safe open instead, that seems to be the consensus here that they'd rather have a destroyed safe than Liberty giving the codes to the Feds. *shrug* FREEDOM and shit |
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That point is missed by most of the people here. Liberty appeared to have no legal obligation to divulge the code, yet they did. So much shit slinging and derp about conservative rage mobs and angle grinders instead. |
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All that idiotic mob pitchfork and fire mentality on the left? Yeah it's on the right too. It's interesting that everyone just glosses over the fact that they had a court order. It's like the Trumper's screeching that Desantis didn't do anything to stop the FBI at Mar-a-lago. No shortage of idiots in the world running on emotions no matter what party affiliation they have.
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A lot of you guys don't seem to understand how a search warrant works. A warrant to search a house lets the police look anywhere in the house the items listed on the warrant could be. If the warrant is to locate a stolen car, for example, it would let them look in the garage, under car shaped tarps in the yard & curtilage, anywhere a car could be on the property. It wouldn't give them the right to look in a safe (unless it was a drive-in safe room or something you could put the car in). A warrant for guns, electronic devices, paperwork, stuff that could be in a safe, would give them the right to search the safe. Just like a warrant for the above would let them look in a backpack or tub you've got sitting in your closet. They don't need to come back with a new warrant for each container they find on your property while serving the warrant. In this case, they were searching the safe regardless of what Liberty did. They searched the house, found a safe (RSC), and called up Liberty with an explanation of what was going on. Liberty would have been within their rights to say "fuck ya'll, we're not giving you codes without a warrant (for the codes)". At that point, the feds would have just destroyed the safe, cutting it open or whatever to search inside. In this instance, Liberty sharing the codes saved their customer a destroyed safe. I'm more annoyed that Liberty has back door access codes than anything. That's a security flaw and once that gets leaked, all their safes are compromised. |
| Rightly or wrongly, this is a PR nightmare for Liberty and, yes, they are going to pay a very dear price for this act of submission. It doesn't help that the FBI and ATF are now rogue, compromised, utterly corrupt agencies from top to bottom that do the bidding of a corrupt, compromised democrat-communist controlled government. They don't believe they exist to serve we the people. They believe we the people exist to serve them. And it's only going to get much worse from here. As I keep saying, what's happening to Trump won't stop with him. Or with those who tried to help him. Sooner or later, if you pulled the lever for Trump, these vile reptiles will be coming for you. It's amazing that so many people still haven't figured that out yet. |
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Quoted: It’s nothing new. This has been happening for a very long time but we are in a time in society where we all need to be offended about everything. They had a warrant, which is lawful. It’s not like liberty saying “no” would have really stopped the search from happening. Liberty did not Willie nillie give codes away. Don’t buy massed produced things if you want security. That's the thing. They shouldn't have had a warrant to begin with. An arrest warrant (which is bogus) but a search warrant? For what? If the FBI had zero video evidence of the victim in possession of anything then a search warrant is bogus. |
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Quoted: That's the thing. They shouldn't have had a warrant to begin with. An arrest warrant (which is bogus) but a search warrant? For what? If the FBI had zero video evidence of the victim in possession of anything then a search warrant is bogus. Take that up with the judge, I suppose. The judge felt they had enough evidence to make a search warrant valid. bUt tHe jUdGe iS cOrRuPt 
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Quoted: I love it when a guy that doesn’t understand what is happening tries to insult others with his superior intelligence. Especially after Liberty admitted their fuck up and changed their policy. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I also don't think some of you conspiracy retards understand how warrants work. Has a warrant ever gotten Apple to unlock an iPhone? I love it when a guy that doesn’t understand what is happening tries to insult others with his superior intelligence. Especially after Liberty admitted their fuck up and changed their policy. They did? I missed that part Edited, nvm I see the above tweet |
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Quoted: Should I throw my two liberty safes away now? Quoted: Yes, unless you want the feds to be able to get into them with a phone call. Because otherwise the Authorities with that warrant will break & enter your "impenetrable" gun safe in about 15 minutes with merely a harbor freight a drill, grinder & prybar. If the Feds are at your house with an arrest & search warrants - You've already F'ed Up in a HUGE way. Bigger_Hammer  |
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Quoted: Back around 1991, we got a call to help serve a warrant on a guy named Greg Garbe in Tulsa. His parents were rich and owned a big interior decorating store. Greg was allegedly caught with porn and illegal weapons so they got a search warrant for his place and found 4 or 5 gun safes and he refused to give up the combinations. About a hundred guns and about 3k of ammo...I know several members here who have personal collections bigger than that The locks were pretty simple, Sargent & Greenleaf IIRC, and since we had custody of the safes we had infinite time to get into them. My boss first suggested we used an "auto-dialer" and get the combinations in a day or two without fucking up the safes WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO USE DESTRUCTIVE METHODS OF ENTRY. I'm not sure who gave that order but I'm pretty sure it was one of the RAC's at one of the Tulsa .fed offices, I won't say which one because he's retired now, but he was really pissed off Garbe wouldn't give them the numbers. It was a little "fuck you, then we'll destroy your legal property" ...so we destroyed 5 privately owned safes, for absolutely no good reason IIRC, the charges that actually stuck were bullshit. He couldn't find his paperwork on one silencer or something like that Garbe DID end up deaded by suspicious means out by Keystone Lake shortly after...never did hear what ended up with that Ahh so police and attorney general corruption is why we shouldn’t care. I understand now, bow down, otherwise they will illegally hurt you. Makes sense now, will totally just give up my guns and take my forehead stamp now. |
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Quoted: A. Anyone with a functioning brain can get into a Liberty Safe. It's called "power tools." B. If federal agents really don't have functioning brains, imagine an America where every single private contractor, heck every single regular Joe on the street told them to go fuck themselves when asked or ordered to help. B is the America I hope I live in one day. |
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Quoted: Take that up with the judge, I suppose. The judge felt they had enough evidence to make a search warrant valid. bUt tHe jUdGe iS cOrRuPt Your second line is the answer. Most judges are corrupt and any judge the FBI is going to get a warrant from is even more corrupt. |
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Quoted: All that idiotic mob pitchfork and fire mentality on the left? Yeah it's on the right too. It's interesting that everyone just glosses over the fact that they had a court order. It's like the Trumper's screeching that Desantis didn't do anything to stop the FBI at Mar-a-lago. No shortage of idiots in the world running on emotions no matter what party affiliation they have.We should make them terrified of pissing off the right. Stop crying about the world that is long gone. |
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Quoted: I would change locks…….yesterday. No need to change the lock. There's a procedure to reset it and create your own master code, invalidating whatever code Liberty has.
You can also contact Liberty and get the current master code from them so you can change it directly from the keypad. |
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Quoted: I'm more annoyed that Liberty has back door access codes than anything. That's a security flaw and once that gets leaked, all their safes are compromised. As I recall they put in their paperwork they retain the original combination for dials and the reset for electronics incase you need access. That’s easy to do away with in the case of a dial. Not like they hid a back door the info was there some consumers simply don’t research before or read the paperwork after acquiring a product. |
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Quoted: See, here's the thing: if the Feds want into your safe they're getting in whether they get the code or not. The real issue is WHY are they trying to get into your safe? That's the issue we need to be attacking, not Liberty. Well, I agree with the first part, but it's pretty sad that Liberty handed over the code when they had no legal obligation to do so. That said, they deserve some credit for quickly revising the related policy. I also think folks' tin foil hats are a little tight if they think Liberty maintains these codes for any reason other than to help a consumer who's locked out. |
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Quoted: Misplaced anger. The feds needed to look in a safe because of a non firearm related offense that occurred far from their residence. May they face eternal damnation, forever climbing a wall of festering blistered up ball sacs. This gent has it nailed. This is yet another distraction. The feds/states say gun owners have to lock up guns. The feds stir up shit by asking a safe company for a code where guns may be stored. |