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Posted: 1/27/2019 7:47:09 AM EST
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Another leftist crusader full of shit, shocking I tell you.
BTW from what I understand, rail could haul a lot more overland freight but is prevented from doing so by law. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 7:49:33 AM EST
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This is just a commercial to promote unions and government regulation of the trucking industry.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 7:54:06 AM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 7:56:56 AM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. It's great! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:02:06 AM EST
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Guy drives countless miles hauling freight, and writes one book and they label him "author". Reminds me of the joke about the brick layer... |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:10:26 AM EST
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So a guy making 6 figures driving trucks is saying truck driving is a "poverty profession" on PBS of all places. Bullshit. Truck drivers are needed now more than ever. Same with tradesmen.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:12:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Work in the trades and you have a series of dead end jobs instead of a career, get treated like disposable shit, and have to live on the road or work for next poverty wages in one place. It's great! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:19:35 AM EST
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My CDL has been very good to me, I've made a hell of a lot more money than I ever did in the Navy. Specialized trucking is the way to go. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/119852/IMG-20170202-134336557-140980.jpg |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:25:13 AM EST
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I'm 100% behind the idea of autonomous trucks if they can be programmed to avoid blocking the fast lane for 30 min. at a stretch by trying to pass another truck going 1 mph slower. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:26:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Work in the trades and you have a series of dead end jobs instead of a career, get treated like disposable shit, and have to live on the road or work for next poverty wages in one place. It's great! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:34:19 AM EST
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Would they hire a clean cop?
Somewhat serious.... wife and I vest in 2020. We still want to move out of Florida and I'd like to stay as a reserve cop wherever we settle down. But want to go into business and make some serious cash. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:34:40 AM EST
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Do all the trades at once, become a farmer. I have class a cdl, can weld about anything, know how to electrical wire, plumbing, fertilizer technician, animal husbandry, dual college degrees and called FSA on arfcom.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:08:09 AM EST
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A buddy of mine is hauling diesel to frac sites in the Permian and has sent me screen shots of his first 3 paychecks. I can't figure out how he's not going to break way over 100k. I might be joining him soon. Hauling solely to frac sites has its disadvantages too. They are not always fracking. People who dont drive, dont realize you can make more doing it than you would if you worked in some salaried office job 10 hours a day for 60-80k. I know a shit ton of white collar office people who think they are rollin in it and they make 50k. and thats laughable trucker money..... meanwhile they look down their noses at the truckers. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:33:52 AM EST
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The Australians get a lot of things wrong.
One of the things they get right is now they define middle class. You must own your home. No mortgages. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:36:39 AM EST
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:53:15 AM EST
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IMO, from what I’ve seen, skilled trades are suffering from finding someone who doesn’t do drugs and lazy asses on the .gov tit. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:58:35 AM EST
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A fresh CDL holder working for one of the big freight haulers (Swift, CR England, Werner, Stevens...) isn't making much more than $30k. I briefly pull refers for Stevens, my 1st year (if I stayed with them) I would have made about $37k. Of course most drivers only stay with those companies just long enough to rack up some miles and move on to better paying companies, the turn over at Stevens was around 90% for 1st year drivers and about 95% for 2nd year drivers. Entry level jobs don’t pay shit for new law school grads either. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:02:16 AM EST
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Guy drives countless miles hauling freight, and writes one book and they label him "author". Reminds me of the joke about the brick layer... Always good to have 'inside connections' when you're trying to get on a best seller list somewhere. He's an 'author' now! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:05:52 AM EST
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This. Top programers are still unable to create driverless trucks that will pass another truck on a two lane highway only going .01 mph faster than the truck in the right lane. We could be decades away from a solution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're still a long way from driverless trucks. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:06:40 AM EST
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I don’t know WTF this guy is smoking! I know several hundred truckers. None of them make less than 70k a year and half are bumping or breaking 100k. Average truckers are not making 30k like he claims. Unions good. Orange man bad. Big government good. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:09:25 AM EST
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When a truck can navigate a snowy, icy, muddy construction site, find Equipment, unscree their fuel cap, unroll the hose, fill the equipment and get out. And costs under 5 million dollars.
We'll talk. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:11:03 AM EST
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Would they hire a clean cop?
Somewhat serious.... wife and I vest in 2020. We still want to move out of Florida and I'd like to stay as a reserve cop wherever we settle down. But want to go into business and make some serious cash. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:12:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, he does come from a 'literary' family so he's definitely holding up the family tradition. Always good to have 'inside connections' when you're trying to get on a best seller list somewhere. He's an 'author' now! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:14:05 AM EST
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Middle class is what working class people who don’t know any better think they are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. Also, what do you do? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:26:44 AM EST
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Nope. It will be here much, much sooner than you think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're still a long way from driverless trucks. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:36:34 AM EST
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Another leftist crusader full of shit, shocking I tell you. BTW from what I understand, rail could haul a lot more overland freight but is prevented from doing so by law. 
What law is that? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:37:54 AM EST
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:44:39 AM EST
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. you guys are confusing blue collar with white collar |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:46:32 AM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:47:13 AM EST
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Where do you want to move to? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would they hire a clean cop?
Somewhat serious.... wife and I vest in 2020. We still want to move out of Florida and I'd like to stay as a reserve cop wherever we settle down. But want to go into business and make some serious cash. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:53:07 AM EST
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I'm 100% behind the idea of autonomous trucks if they can be programmed to avoid blocking the fast lane for 30 min. at a stretch by trying to pass another truck going 1 mph slower. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 10:56:26 AM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:00:44 AM EST
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Median middle class household income after taxes is around 70k. the majority of CDL holders make more than that. Add in a spousal income and you are well above the average. you guys are confusing blue collar with white collar My boss was an O/O but after he had kids it wasnt working out for his family life so he gave it up and took a regular job....and took a $45k/year pay cut to do so. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:03:22 AM EST
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I did 1.7 million miles and I'm out. Wages have been flat, and inflation is rampant. The juice ain't worth the squeeze anymore. Where did you get that idea? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:08:10 AM EST
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:12:21 AM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:18:38 PM EST
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Interesting point. In the old class system, rich were basically nobility. They could afford professions like dr and lawyer-or simply choose not to work since they were capitalists (living off investments or owning large companies that were largely run by others).
Small business owners (merchants) were middle class. This included most professionals. Working class were not middle class. The closest there was to a welfare class were beggers and gypsies. Working class were poor, but poor was the norm-not an exception to it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:27:47 PM EST
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Middle class is what working class people who don’t know any better think they are. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:59:53 PM EST
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The Australians get a lot of things wrong. One of the things they get right is now they define middle class. You must own your home. No mortgages. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:04:42 PM EST
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Guy drives countless miles hauling freight, and writes one book and they label him "author". author (ô´ther) noun 1.The original writer of a literary work |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:08:21 PM EST
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I think it’s similar to other fields such as manufacturing, welding, etc. Beginning in the 1980’s, “Society” deemed it to be an undesirable career for uneducated low achievers and it was represented as such. It was the dead-end hell that the movie protagonists were trying to escape. Everyone had to go to college so they could work in an office and not get their hands dirty. Fast forward a generation, and here we are. Baristas with PhD’s and skilled trades desperate for anyone with a pulse. 
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:09:23 PM EST
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Gotta specialize, bro. Make your CDL work for you instead of the other way around. I had the best financial year of my life in 2018. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/69748/2015-03-23_20-582122_JPG-822979.JPG Nice to hear about other's successes! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:18:41 PM EST
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. I'll take a working man any day over one with your attitude. I'm more interested in the man that is willing and wants to work, than in what he does, his income, where he lives, or what he drives. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:35:40 PM EST
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What law is that? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:46:52 PM EST
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Middle class is what working class people who don't know any better think they are. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:51:18 PM EST
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I'm 100% behind the idea of autonomous trucks if they can be programmed to avoid blocking the fast lane for 30 min. at a stretch by trying to pass another truck going 1 mph slower. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:57:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most working class (also referred to as low class or poor) people in America falsely think they are actually middle class. An easy way I define it. Poor: has nothing. Working class: depends solely on work, and can't save. Middle class: depends on work and some assets, and can save. Upper class: doesn't depend on work due to large assets (passive income). |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:31:47 PM EST
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Then there are a whole lot of Americans who are working class, that choose to drive fancy cars and live in expensive homes; rather than move up a class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Most working class (also referred to as low class or poor) people in America falsely think they are actually middle class. An easy way I define it. Poor: has nothing. Working class: depends solely on work, and can't save. Middle class: depends on work and some assets, and can save. Upper class: doesn't depend on work due to large assets (passive income). Middle class are your working business owners Upper class is the filthy rich. It's not about the money made, it's about being able to be the boss, to have an affluent status. You can make 1 million a year and still be a slave, and no one gives a shit about you or your opinion, because you're a slave, a nobody. If you own your own business people will treat you differently. If you're "fuck you money" rich, people will treat you differently to an even greater degree. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:47:51 PM EST
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You're entitled to your elitist opinion. We're entitled to use it to calibrate your character. I'll take a working man any day over one with your attitude. I'm more interested in the man that is willing and wants to work, than in what he does, his income, where he lives, or what he drives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. I'll take a working man any day over one with your attitude. I'm more interested in the man that is willing and wants to work, than in what he does, his income, where he lives, or what he drives. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 5:00:47 PM EST
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You're entitled to your elitist opinion. We're entitled to use it to calibrate your character. I'll take a working man any day over one with your attitude. I'm more interested in the man that is willing and wants to work, than in what he does, his income, where he lives, or what he drives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When was truck driving ever middle class, seems solidly working class to me. I'll take a working man any day over one with your attitude. I'm more interested in the man that is willing and wants to work, than in what he does, his income, where he lives, or what he drives. There’s more to being “middle class” than a straight gross income metric, in my opinion. If you make 60k a year (which isn’t really much money anymore) but the only way you do it is by grinding OT in shitty working conditions, that’s not middle class. That’s working class who works a lot. They might make the same money but they don’t have the same quality of life. |
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