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Posted: 7/13/2021 10:54:20 AM EDT
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Clearly mid to late 70's into the 80's. But the early 70's were SMOKIN hot musle cars, lots of them, no great smoking class of cars in early the 80's. There was the GN in the late 80's, one car to make up for a whole decade....NOPE.
Due to the choices you left. It is 80's. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 10:57:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My immediate reaction was 70s, but then I remember this. I agree with others that you have to split pre and post oil embargo. https://www.motorious.com/content/images/2020/07/1972-chevelle.jpeg Yep! Drove mine to work yesterday...  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 10:58:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep! Drove mine to work yesterday... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86052/bc854df014443239bb08aa6b2c1072c2_jpg-2012168.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My immediate reaction was 70s, but then I remember this. I agree with others that you have to split pre and post oil embargo. https://www.motorious.com/content/images/2020/07/1972-chevelle.jpeg Yep! Drove mine to work yesterday... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86052/bc854df014443239bb08aa6b2c1072c2_jpg-2012168.JPG Hi |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 11:08:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Corvettes looked like dog shit and we were given the gift of the AMC Pacer.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/1976_AMC_Pacer_X_2_jpg-2012040.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems to me like the 1970's Agreed. Corvettes looked like dog shit and we were given the gift of the AMC Pacer.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/1976_AMC_Pacer_X_2_jpg-2012040.JPG   Ford must have hired East German defectors to design the exterior of these. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 11:20:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: (snip) Ford must have hired East German defectors to design the exterior of these. I understand there were some former VW/Audi folks involved. So… Maybe. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 11:24:22 AM EDT
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Probably right now. They aren't really making any it's all light trucks , SUVs, crossovers. A couple luxury models and modern muscle cars is about it.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 1:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughs in GLHS: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100464/Dodge-Omni-GLHS-1600x1124_jpg-2012075.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With the exception of this car right here, the 80s were the worst decade for cars in the history of mankind https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/87265/9AC9815A-C8C0-42F8-A75E-56697329B8AD_jpe-2011431.JPG Laughs in GLHS: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100464/Dodge-Omni-GLHS-1600x1124_jpg-2012075.JPG When I was in college, I worked on lots of cars for other students. They were pretty much universally rusted out 15 year old 80s piles of shit, and they had major problems before 100k. I talked to a friend's son that's in college now, and his classmates have similar relative aged cars (mid-2000s), but they're not steaming piles of shit. They're not trying to get shitty feedback controlled carbs to work, and tracing 87 miles of brittle vacuum leaks. If they get a check engine light, a $13 bluetooth dongle and google makes quick work of figuring it out. On a related note, there's people that think you could desmog the bad era cars easily, and just put a regular carb on them. I had to drive those pieces of shit, and I can assure you that it was not widely known, outside of maybe big 3 V-8s how to do that, without the internet. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:38:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Corvettes looked like dog shit and we were given the gift of the AMC Pacer.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/1976_AMC_Pacer_X_2_jpg-2012040.JPG yes, yes I am one sick individual. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As gay as that thing looks it still looks better than early Ford Escorts, Tempos and other garbage. https://i.etsystatic.com/20688221/r/il/73d109/1955565434/il_570xN.1955565434_b5qi.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Push_The_Tempo.jpg/640px-Push_The_Tempo.jpg Ford must have hired East German defectors to design the exterior of these. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to me like the 1970's Agreed. Corvettes looked like dog shit and we were given the gift of the AMC Pacer.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/1976_AMC_Pacer_X_2_jpg-2012040.JPG https://i.etsystatic.com/20688221/r/il/73d109/1955565434/il_570xN.1955565434_b5qi.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Push_The_Tempo.jpg/640px-Push_The_Tempo.jpg Ford must have hired East German defectors to design the exterior of these. I still miss bumpers that you could actually use for bumping without messing up paint. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:00:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GLHS wasn't until 1985, and it was one of the first not completely horrible things. As already discussed, the worst 10 years is 1975 to 1985. There were shitty outliers before 1975, and after 1985. There were a few decent cars after 1975, and a few before 1985. When I was in college, I worked on lots of cars for other students. They were pretty much universally rusted out 15 year old 80s piles of shit, and they had major problems before 100k. I talked to a friend's son that's in college now, and his classmates have similar relative aged cars (mid-2000s), but they're not steaming piles of shit. They're not trying to get shitty feedback controlled carbs to work, and tracing 87 miles of brittle vacuum leaks. If they get a check engine light, a $13 bluetooth dongle and google makes quick work of figuring it out. On a related note, there's people that think you could desmog the bad era cars easily, and just put a regular carb on them. I had to drive those pieces of shit, and I can assure you that it was not widely known, outside of maybe big 3 V-8s how to do that, without the internet. LOL, I know, I was big into Maseratis back then. The 2.5l twin turbo V6 was a tasmanian devil of a little motor and easily made 245HP (more, in FI trim), but US EPA shit choked it down to ~190HP. Luckily, putting the power back just meant reverting the car to Euro trim, which wasn't that big of a deal if you could read Italian, since all the factory manuals were written in it (they eventually published some badly translated English versions). 
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Posted: 7/14/2021 12:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eighties cars were pretty terrible. Anyone remember the Chrysler K Cars? The Cadillac Cimmaron? K cars were pretty good, for what they were designed to be. Inexpensive, reliable transportation. We had a couple, an 83 plymouth reliant wagon, 2.2L 4 speed manual, and an 87 dodge aries, 2.5L 3 speed auto. Both cars were pretty good, bought used, sold running. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 2:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As gay as that thing looks it still looks better than early Ford Escorts, Tempos and other garbage. https://i.etsystatic.com/20688221/r/il/73d109/1955565434/il_570xN.1955565434_b5qi.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Push_The_Tempo.jpg/640px-Push_The_Tempo.jpg Ford must have hired East German defectors to design the exterior of these. Cars were sooo bad back then. If you took that damn escort and put a "GT kit" on it, everyone wanted it. The escort GT was what everyone I knew wanted. I wanted one soo damn bad. PATHETIC!!! Well in JAX anyway  |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 2:18:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Cuts across late 70s the early 80s
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Posted: 7/14/2021 2:21:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Gonna have to agree with the others that ~75-85 was the darkest 10 year stretch.
To be honest, my interest in (almost) everything dries up somewhere around 1972, and doesn't really pick up again until about 1996. With some notable exceptions, of course. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 3:14:09 PM EDT
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There's actually a term for this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaise_era The "Malaise era" ended between 1983, with the advent of computer controlled vehicles, electronic fuel injection, the oxygen sensor, and three-way catalyst, and 1996, when OBD II computer controls were mandated federally.[26] The fuel crisis receded further into history during the 1980s and performance was no longer a dirty word, according to Hagerty (Insurance).[27] In 1985, Mustang horsepower climbed above 200 for the first time since the early 1970s.[27] The Malaise Era might have finally ended when the national speed limit was raised to 65 mph in 1987 |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: '70 and '77 were different gens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: CAR & Driver specs. --------------------------------------- ARFCOM GD favorite 1977 Trans Am 60 mph: 9.3 sec 100 mph: 29.3 sec 1/4 mile: 16.9 sec @ 82 mph Top speed: 110 mph Braking, 700 mph: 213 ft ------------------------------------------------ Boring family car 2017 Toyota Camry Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 15.0 sec Standing -mile: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 189 ft https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1977-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-122.jpg?resize=768:* https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/16q3/669461/2017-toyota-camry-xse-v-6-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-671269-s-original.jpg?fill=2:1&resize=768:* So much truth to this... Take it a step further and look at the new 2022 Toyata HYBRID minivan...which is slower than the last years version by quite a bit. https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/sienna Unlike previous versions of Toyota's family van, the 2022 Sienna is offered exclusively as a hybrid. The powertrain consists of a 2.5-liter gasoline-powered four-cylinder engine and a pair of electric motors that combine to make 243 horsepower. All-wheel drive is available and adds a third electric motor in back that drives the rear wheels. The Sienna's main rivalthe Chrysler Pacifica Hybridis offered solely with front-wheel drive, but its V-6 engine and electric motors make 260 horsepower. Our all-wheel drive Sienna Platinum failed to excite us during acceleration testing, requiring 7.7 seconds to reach 60 mph and completing the quarter-mile in 15.8 seconds at only 88 mph; these results are similar to what the Pacifica Hybrid managed, but are far slower than non-hybrid examples of the Pacifica we've tested as well as the Honda Odyssey. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34487335/2021-toyota-sienna-by-the-numbers/ Soccer mom Karen's hybrid minivan would smoke that 77 Trans Am. 60 mph: 7.7 sec 100 mph: 21.0 sec Rolling start, 560 mph: 8.7 sec Top gear, 3050 mph: 4.4 sec Top gear, 5070 mph: 5.6 sec 1/4 mile: 15.8 sec @ 88 mph Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 116 mph Braking, 700 mph: 188 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.79 g How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ '70 and '77 were different gens. Incorrect. 2nd generation F body runs from 1970 to 1981. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:21:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mid 70s through the early 90s. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 10:15:37 PM EDT
[#18]
Right in the middle of this schit Ford makes one of the best trucks ever.
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