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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:10:55 PM EDT
[#1]
Depends on where, am I traveling with a local or a well connected native Spanish speaker?
A buddy of mine was on a bus that got stopped by bandits. They held the bus for several hours demanding every passenger pay a tax to continue on the trip. He finally got sick of waiting and over the protests of his American wife told the bandits who his grandfather was. They apologized, gave everyone back their belongings and escorted the bus to its destination. So, it depends |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:13:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:13:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Not if you don't know what the heck you're doing.
I've heard from people who were born there, left a long time ago and came back to visit their hometown only to have to flee for their lives because they found out that the now pervasive Cartel security intelligence system saw them as a threat and was after them. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:13:28 PM EDT
[#4]
So like the outskirts of El Paso or San Antonio?
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:13:30 PM EDT
[#5]
"feel safe traveling" has very different levels of comfort to people. Yes, I'd go in a second, but I've been to extremely unstable areas of the world. Did I feel safe? Not typically. Did I still go and have a great time? Absolutely.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:48:30 PM EDT
[#6]
I had to travel to queretaro for work in 2016/7 and drove to another facility about 2 hours away.
There were times I felt "safe" - mostly during the day and as long as I was at work or with coworkers. There were also times I texted "I love you" to my wife as I wasn't sure what might happen. Not interested in going to Mexico ever again, even a resort area. No thanks. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:01:14 PM EDT
[#7]
I've done some hunting down there. Never felt any fear, really.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:06:08 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, we went to Queretaro, Mexico city, San Miguel, Bernal, all in Central Mexico in November 2022 and had a blast. We have family down there and its a safe area (not all of Mexico is, obviously). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221110_112013-3123310.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221110_120947-3123311.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221111_163346-3123313.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221114_130519-3123314.jpg Hope to go back in the next couple of years. Lots of gringos in San Miguel, but I've never seen any other than myself when in Bernal. Cute little town. Nice weekend getaway. Did you guys climb that thing? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:11:15 PM EDT
[#9]
Not interested in going to Mexico ever again, even a resort area.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:12:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to travel to queretaro for work in 2016/7 and drove to another facility about 2 hours away. There were times I felt "safe" - mostly during the day and as long as I was at work or with coworkers. There were also times I texted "I love you" to my wife as I wasn't sure what might happen. Not interested in going to Mexico ever again, even a resort area. No thanks. North and West of Querétaro can get... interesting. But the region in and around the city is perfectly fine. Celaya (west a bit) is an absolute nogo zone right now, if you ask me. Drive by, quickly, and in the daytime, and hope nobody thinks you're working for some other group of jackasses. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:14:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No fucking way. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:21:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm considering retiring there. Former company owner and his son both did. One to Chapala/Ajijic the other to Merida They don't come back here often — can't stand it. Both are very, very white dudes. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:22:35 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm literally leaving for Tulum next week. Awesome area, almost exclusively touristy. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:23:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is wholly dependent on both where in Mexico you are going, what you expect to do, and how you define "safe," I would not be driving down into the interior at all, but there are plenty of places where flying to said place and traveling about is not really any more risky than driving around a major U.S. city. There are very few places where I'd not avoid being out on the road during hours of darkness. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:24:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Depends where in Mexico. I just wouldn't go on principle, because I want nothing to do with them at this point.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:29:30 PM EDT
[#16]
The wife just came back from TJ for work. Her company provides security, but it still makes me nervous.
Going to PdC soon. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:36:32 PM EDT
[#17]
I live in Nayurit, and here in USA. Where I live is very very safe. I heard of a motorcycle getting stolen once. That's it. Far more crime in Nashville.
I travel across the country on luxury busses, and enjoy. That being said, I don't do Stupid Stuff, with Stupid People, in Stupid Places. If you want trouble in Mexico it is there, easy to find. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:42:12 PM EDT
[#18]
Our State Department says:
Country Summary: Violent crime – such as homicide, kidnapping, carjacking, and robbery – is widespread and common in Mexico. The U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services to U.S. citizens in many areas of Mexico, as travel by U.S. government employees to certain areas is prohibited or restricted. In many states, local emergency services are limited outside the state capital or major cities... |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:42:45 PM EDT
[#19]
We have done 7 resort vacations in Mexico. 1 in Cabo and the other 6 at a Riviera Maya resort. Going back for another two weeks this coming June.
The resort is on the beach surrounded by jungle and almost a mile back from the guarded gate on the highway. Not the least concerned there. We've taken excursions to several places that are touristy and didn't feel insecure. Coming back from Chitzen Itza we had a meal stop in Valladolid and we wandered around a bit and none of that stop was touristy. Felt secure there. Based on our very limited exposure to the real Mexico I'd not hesitate to travel around as long as we stayed out of baddie hot spots and avoided the nightlife except in very select areas. I was assaulted by narcotechture once... Damn, those people are short.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:45:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our State Department says: Country Summary: Violent crime such as homicide, kidnapping, carjacking, and robbery is widespread and common in Mexico and around our DC offices. The U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services to U.S. citizens in many areas of Mexico, as travel by U.S. government employees to certain areas is prohibited or restricted. In many states, local emergency services are limited outside the state capital or major cities... Fixed |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:46:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Former company owner and his son both did. One to Chapala/Ajijic the other to Merida They don't come back here often — can't stand it. Both are very, very white dudes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm considering retiring there. Former company owner and his son both did. One to Chapala/Ajijic the other to Merida They don't come back here often — can't stand it. Both are very, very white dudes. If you can get past the humidity, Merida is supposed to be amazing. I would never get past the humidity. Virginia is too humid for me. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:47:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of gringos in San Miguel, but I've never seen any other than myself when in Bernal. Cute little town. Nice weekend getaway. Did you guys climb that thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, we went to Queretaro, Mexico city, San Miguel, Bernal, all in Central Mexico in November 2022 and had a blast. We have family down there and its a safe area (not all of Mexico is, obviously). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221110_112013-3123310.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221110_120947-3123311.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221111_163346-3123313.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/20221114_130519-3123314.jpg Hope to go back in the next couple of years. Lots of gringos in San Miguel, but I've never seen any other than myself when in Bernal. Cute little town. Nice weekend getaway. Did you guys climb that thing? No, it's all a roped climb for those that are into it. We just hiked to the base (Peña de Bernal)...  It was a nice town, lots of good wine and cheese produced in the region. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:48:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck shithole countries. So says NY man ?? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:50:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Having spent a lot of my life all over Mexico, fuck no.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:51:17 PM EDT
[#25]
As long as it's at least two hours south of the U.S. border, I'd feel safer in most parts of Mexico than many diverse neighborhoods in U.S. cities. Granted, if it's far enough south in Mexico I'm going to need a few saltwater fly rods and some sunscreen as I might stay a while.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:52:56 PM EDT
[#26]
I wonder if non-cartel street crime will fall off drastically in Mexico and Central America since they are exporting their criminals to the USA.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:01:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Yeah, that’s a big no from me dawg…
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:02:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Nope
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:03:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if non-cartel street crime will fall off drastically in Mexico and Central America since they are exporting their criminals to the USA. They are? Who knew? What else can GD teach me today? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:04:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Completely depends on the area.
Xalapa, Oaxaca, etc? Absolutely! Border towns or narco battle territories, or places where narcos abandoned and the street thugs now rule it? No way. Mexico is HUGE and the safety varies tremendously from region to region. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:06:08 PM EDT
[#31]
Mexico is a big place Friendo… are we talking about the Yucatán or Sinaloa?
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:07:42 PM EDT
[#32]
Since Joe Biden made El Presidente open his border to Hamas, no.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:15:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Nope. Haven't been too México since 1998 when we went down for my dads wedding. Few different family members have been accosted by cartel. One was abducted along with his entire family at a cartel roadblock in Zacatecas. Mexican marines got them all back after a few days of being held. Dad finally gave up and moved back to Texas, rents his house down there now. You couldn't pay me to go there. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:16:54 PM EDT
[#34]
Back in the late 90's I went to Ensenada twice with my church youth group to build houses for the less fortunate.
I recently reconnected with my old youth minister and he said he still goes 2-3 times a year and invited me to go. I politely declined but in my head I'm thinking "I don't go anywhere besides the local courthouse without a gun". |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:18:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck shithole countries. Soon we'll all be living in one.  
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:20:05 PM EDT
[#36]
No, but I wouldn't travel in parts of Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, St. Louis or Denver either.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:23:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Went off the resort to downtown Cancun on the local bus. Only white faces anywhere. People stared but no problems. I got a kick out of seeing that the local cops still carry wooden batons there.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:23:55 PM EDT
[#38]
Twenty years ago I traveled in the Interior, now, not a chance.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:27:40 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: as they say in Texas - El Passo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Resorts and high foreign tourist areas don't count. I'm talking about deep into everyday Mexico. as they say in Texas - El Passo No. No Texans use that term. I wouldn't blend in well in Mexico. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:28:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  I live in Mexico and travel all around it. It's safer here than West Memphis or Detroit |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:39:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Most of GD
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:46:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to have to travel to Matamoros on business. While I didn't like it, I never thought I was in danger. You might feel differently if you were a Moro. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:55:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So says NY man ?? Lol, not all of NY is Ghetto, this is where I live. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:58:04 PM EDT
[#44]
My wife keeps trying to convince me to take our family and stay somewhere in the middle of Mexico.
She gets a hard no from me. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:59:02 PM EDT
[#45]
My wife and her best friend are going to Mexico City next week for the monarch butterfly migration. I’m hoping the two of us can go later in the year.
Other countries feel traveling to the US is dangerous. All they hear is school shootings, mass shootings and racial tension. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:12:56 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Myself and fellow arfcommer went pretty far off the resort many years ago. For PERSEC, I can't get too detailed but we were in a situation where most would shit their pants. Straight up out of the movies. I'd do it again if I felt the need. Hopefully he sees this post lol. My neighbor went to Cancun several years ago with friends of theirs. The wife of their friend was sexually assaulted. When she had the front desk call the police to have them come to the hotel, the cops just laughed and said thats not how things work down there. They told her she had to come to the station. She went to the station and started to describe the suspect, and she just noticed all the police stealing glances at each other. She had seen a badge on the rapists belt, and when she described this, an officer told her that the perp was most likely the chief of police and that this wasn't the first time it had happened. He told her to go back to the hotel and try to forget everything. They packed their bags and left the next day vowing to never visit Mexico again. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:14:25 PM EDT
[#47]
Right before covid, I was in Guanajuato (SE of Leon) for 5 days. Pretty little town. Kinda of a Mx. tourist town for Mexicans with a university.
Wife and I walked all over the joint, day and reasonably late at night. People were great, food was excellent, and we had no issues whatsoever. Both of us are white, and the wife is 5-10, so no doubt that we were not locals. Neither of us speak Spanish. I speak a bit of Tex-Mex. Again, no issues with language. I'd go back without question. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:19:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Drive down to Juárez for the street tacos. Stay for the Redrum.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:21:01 PM EDT
[#49]
The real Mexicans I know won't even drive into real Mexico any more. A few years ago they were still going, but only after buying an old junker car and old clothes to change into before crossing. Now they won't go at all.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:23:44 PM EDT
[#50]
Bring a chrome .45 with you to blend in.
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