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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:00:22 PM EDT
[#1]
I’d rather use a combination of stingers and Javelins than sneak around but that’s me.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:00:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You might want to rethink your comment… *Gives OP second look Nah. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:02:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No attitude intended. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not with that attitude. No attitude intended. Then think of the implications of that question. You find yourself in a country the size of Texas. There is fighting going on all along the Louisiana border, in Houston, Amarillo, and all around the DFW metroplex. Go forth and LARP. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:02:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be in the bushes getting my fuck on with a Javelin and a suppressed bolt action. I've even got a multicam adidas tracksuit.   Attached File |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:10:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Gopnik black multicam track suit, black adidas balaclava, Adidas Jake boots in black, cheap chest rig, a krink and a few molotov's.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:11:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then think of the implications of that question. You find yourself in a country the size of Texas. There is fighting going on all along the Louisiana border, in Houston, Amarillo, and all around the DFW metroplex. Go forth and LARP. I am thinking of the implications. I'm thinking of farmland, lakes, streams, bridges, woods, towns, etc. I'm also thinking that civilians are weaving in and out of tank columns and 2nd line vehicles are stopping to ask for directions. I'm thinking that in certain situations, I would want armor but for the majority of the time I would want to hang back, observe and try to drill down on specific actions that would be most disruptive to the enemy. Sure, the setups are LARPtastic. That said, the discussion on methodologies employed to combat what can be perceived as a huge overmatch, are worthy. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:13:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Not enough gray...
Also, not enough technical gear. I would much rather have good softshells, gortex etc from OR or Arc than any "combat uniform". Keep doing you though, bro. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:14:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Mp5sd
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:15:04 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever blends into the civilian population. This is the right answer. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:15:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RECCE. You can kill a lot more bad guys and possibly live longer so long as comms are secure. 100% this. You’re not going toe to toe with an stronger enemy. Guerrilla warfare is the way. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:17:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am thinking of the implications. I'm thinking of farmland, lakes, streams, bridges, woods, towns, etc. I'm also thinking that civilians are weaving in and out of tank columns and 2nd line vehicles are stopping to ask for directions. I'm thinking that in certain situations, I would want armor but for the majority of the time I would want to hang back, observe and try to drill down on specific actions that would be most disruptive to the enemy. Sure, the setups are LARPtastic. That said, the discussion on methodologies employed to combat what can be perceived as a huge overmatch, are worthy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then think of the implications of that question. You find yourself in a country the size of Texas. There is fighting going on all along the Louisiana border, in Houston, Amarillo, and all around the DFW metroplex. Go forth and LARP. I am thinking of the implications. I'm thinking of farmland, lakes, streams, bridges, woods, towns, etc. I'm also thinking that civilians are weaving in and out of tank columns and 2nd line vehicles are stopping to ask for directions. I'm thinking that in certain situations, I would want armor but for the majority of the time I would want to hang back, observe and try to drill down on specific actions that would be most disruptive to the enemy. Sure, the setups are LARPtastic. That said, the discussion on methodologies employed to combat what can be perceived as a huge overmatch, are worthy. You won't be observing shit. Maybe you'll get stupid lucky and be on a road where a column of vehicles are driving by. Whose? Then what will you do? Maybe you'll hear and explosion off in the distance, or a see a lone vehicle. Whose is it? What can you do about it? Take a selfie? |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:19:24 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d lean that AR in the corner and get cozy under a woodland camo blanket with some vodka and Ukrainian señoritas. Or whatever they call em over there. Whores. They call them whores. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:20:38 PM EDT
[#13]
What the fuck is RECCE?
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:26:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RECCE. You can kill a lot more bad guys and possibly live longer so long as comms are secure. Knowing nothing about how much armor/air support I would get if going direct action instead, I am going with this. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:29:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not enough gray... Also, not enough technical gear. I would much rather have good softshells, gortex etc from OR or Arc than any "combat uniform". Keep doing you though, bro. So you think the PCU (Protective Combat Uniform) layers 3B, 5 and 6 aren't worthy? Level 3B (2nd pic) - Patagonia low loft jacket with Primaloft Fusion and Mil Gore Tex shell. Level 5 (1st pic) - Patagonia highly water resistant shell constructed out of Nextec EPIC Glacier fabric that allows your body to push moisture out. Level 6 (2nd pic) - Patagonia Gore Tex shell Coupled with PCU levels 1 and 2, you can find very good configurations for real world use. ORC, Patagonia, Beyond Clothing, Wildthings, OR (who make the gloves pictured in the RECCE pic) and Halys all have manufactored pieces of the PCU system. Here is a good article on the PCU system: https://www.itstactical.com/gearcom/apparel/comprehensive-guide-protective-combat-uniform/ |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:29:14 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You might want to rethink your comment… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Tell me you have more money than combat experience...without telling me you have more money than combat experience" You might want to rethink your comment… That's the problem with the internet. Nobody knows who they're talking to and even if they post their curriculum vitae anything on the internet is suspect until proven true. Back to the thread, I didn't mean my initial post to be snarky and maybe I just hate the "recce" terminology, but what exactly makes the second pic a "recce" loadout other than an emphasis on weight savings and additional sustainment gear? recce = reconnaissance, it's in the name so you'd think there'd be an emphasis on: information gathering equipment: day/night optics photo, video, and audio equipment accessories, like tripods or portable solar panels, for the above hide construction equipment so you can observe: ghillie top or blanket veils/screen material pruning shears folding saws etool sand bags tent poles ponchos All of that is well and good, but I don't know what it means for a lone American, like myself, magically transported to the Ukrainian countryside. I'm a nobody though so take everything said with a lot of salt |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:33:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever blends into the civilian population. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:38:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whatever blends into the civilian population. Suppressed pistol, suppressed rifle, NOD, grenades WP and Frag. The location of pre positioned mortars and a tube. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:39:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever blends into the civilian population.  Family Guy - Peter Doesn't Fit in the Army |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:44:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Against tanks and armored vehicles. It would be better to dress like a farmer and plant mines and IEDs. This. In full scale open war, a lot of the cool guy gear and plate carriers will be secondary to long range fires, armor, ISR, Signals, and airpower. If you lack the above, be a goat herder with an Icom. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:51:10 PM EDT
[#21]
First thing I would do is ditch all that shit that screams I'm a solider, kill me Ivan. I would try to blend in and look like a farmer or some other local.
During the day I would smile and wave at the commie fucks and when the sun went down I would go to work planting IED and sabotaging shit and doing whatever I could to make their life miserable |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 2:54:10 PM EDT
[#22]
I’d hope for two trusted brethren to form a 3 man team.
We’d silently, covertly, discreetly, fuck shit up with suppressed weapons. I’d probably have to opt for my blackout with subsonic rounds on this one. And molotovs!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:01:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you think the PCU (Protective Combat Uniform) layers 3B, 5 and 6 aren't worthy? Level 3B (2nd pic) - Patagonia low loft jacket with Primaloft Fusion and Mil Gore Tex shell. Level 5 (1st pic) - Patagonia highly water resistant shell constructed out of Nextec EPIC Glacier fabric that allows your body to push moisture out. Level 6 (2nd pic) - Patagonia Gore Tex shell Coupled with PCU levels 1 and 2, you can find very good configurations for real world use. ORC, Patagonia, Beyond Clothing, Wildthings, OR (who make the gloves pictured in the RECCE pic) and Halys all have manufactored pieces of the PCU system. Here is a good article on the PCU system: https://www.itstactical.com/gearcom/apparel/comprehensive-guide-protective-combat-uniform/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not enough gray... Also, not enough technical gear. I would much rather have good softshells, gortex etc from OR or Arc than any "combat uniform". Keep doing you though, bro. So you think the PCU (Protective Combat Uniform) layers 3B, 5 and 6 aren't worthy? Level 3B (2nd pic) - Patagonia low loft jacket with Primaloft Fusion and Mil Gore Tex shell. Level 5 (1st pic) - Patagonia highly water resistant shell constructed out of Nextec EPIC Glacier fabric that allows your body to push moisture out. Level 6 (2nd pic) - Patagonia Gore Tex shell Coupled with PCU levels 1 and 2, you can find very good configurations for real world use. ORC, Patagonia, Beyond Clothing, Wildthings, OR (who make the gloves pictured in the RECCE pic) and Halys all have manufactored pieces of the PCU system. Here is a good article on the PCU system: https://www.itstactical.com/gearcom/apparel/comprehensive-guide-protective-combat-uniform/ Neat. Yeah, I know about the PCU system. There is better stuff out there. I see who you want to emulate, but any conflict around here you will stand out like a sore thumb and just look silly. Why not have better gear and be a gray man instead of playing dress up? I stand by what I said. I would much rather look like a ski bunny than some Tier 1 LARPer. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:05:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Got a magnifier behind by prism scope so I'll do both.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:12:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Direct action.
I have a lot of pent up anger.... |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:14:37 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Let's say you are magically teleported to a non-city center in Ukraine. You're pro Ukraine and you've got comms to a native JOC. Do you go Direct Action or RECCE? RECCE. I'm not doing anything until I'm well familiarized with the area, what styles Russian troops wear, etc. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:20:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat. Yeah, I know about the PCU system. There is better stuff out there. I see who you want to emulate, but any conflict around here you will stand out like a sore thumb and just look silly. Why not have better gear and be a gray man instead of playing dress up? I stand by what I said. I would much rather look like a ski bunny than some Tier 1 LARPer. I see what you are saying. That said, there are a couple pieces of the PCU system that I wear out and about in rural areas and no one gives it a second glance. The Level 3A jacket is a great piece of kit. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:28:13 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First thing I would do is ditch all that shit that screams I'm a solider, kill me Ivan. I would try to blend in and look like a farmer or some other local. During the day I would smile and wave at the commie fucks and when the sun went down I would go to work planting IED and sabotaging shit and doing whatever I could to make their life miserable I would love to get within mortar range of a Russian airfield. Several HE and WP mortars into the fuel storage and run. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:31:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. In full scale open war, a lot of the cool guy gear and plate carriers will be secondary to long range fires, armor, ISR, Signals, and airpower. If you lack the above, be a goat herder with an Icom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Against tanks and armored vehicles. It would be better to dress like a farmer and plant mines and IEDs. This. In full scale open war, a lot of the cool guy gear and plate carriers will be secondary to long range fires, armor, ISR, Signals, and airpower. If you lack the above, be a goat herder with an Icom. If wonder if they are using any of the civilians to supplement regular units. Extra dudes to carry shit, extra guns for an ambush. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:33:20 PM EDT
[#30]
Hit and run
Engage on your own terms. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:34:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Needs less zenitco. Needs more Krook
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:37:23 PM EDT
[#32]
You're coming around the the better way of thinking. Blend in with your environment. In any modern urban environment you'll just look like an obvious target dressed and kitted like that.
Go grab some normal gear from OP, North Face, Mountain Hardware, Arc'teryx, etc. Layer that over concealable body armor. CCW a sidearm. Get a good cell phone and maybe a small dual band UHF/VHF ham radio (to listen mainly). And put an SBR in an unassuming backpack. Anything else you need in your pockets and backpack. No web gear, battle vest, etc...that's just painting a target on yourself. Stay away from Mole, Camo, velcro, etc. Look like a guy walking home from his shift at work. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 3:53:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way Russians are hanging out in the open looking complacent is a sniper's wet dream. A cargo van set up as a mobile nest could rack up quite a tally right now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Suppressed snipers with thermal and pvs14s are probably priceless about now. The way Russians are hanging out in the open looking complacent is a sniper's wet dream. A cargo van set up as a mobile nest could rack up quite a tally right now. These two things |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:14:37 PM EDT
[#34]
I'd do more harm out there than good.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:16:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fuck is RECCE? Tell me you're not a tactical operator without telling me you're not a tactical operator. Just kidding. I'm not cool enough to know what that is either. In for answer. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:18:53 PM EDT
[#36]
RECCE
Demoralize Destabilize Don’t need all that gear to wreak havoc. Little SE Asians in black pajamas and sandals said so. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:21:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fuck is RECCE? It's what the British and tactical hipsters call Recon, I believe. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:31:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whores. They call them whores. What a coincidence: Ukrainian women in Dubai are called whores, too. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:34:33 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd do more harm out there than good. Isn't that a soldier's job?
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:35:59 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RECCE. You can kill a lot more bad guys and possibly live longer so long as comms are secure. Doesn't matter if your comms are secure. As soon as you key up on your encrypted radio you're broadcasting your location to everyone with a signal finder. There are ways to mask your location but you really have to know what you're doing. That being said, I'd definitely be in a mid level building in a sniper hide with a good long range semi auto and overlooking a critical road. Thermal optics will still get you killed with the quickness though. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:39:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Who remembers these:
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:47:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who remembers these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18716/9305085A-90A9-4E8C-B84B-938056DDC420-2294061.jpg Why does his face look like a Japanese vagina? |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:51:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Shoot and scoot all day long. Decisive engagement would be your undoing.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:54:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Since I dont know shit from shinola, I'd go with the lightest gear, the boots from #2 , the helmet from #1 and gun #2.
Explain the differences between the two pictures? |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:54:13 PM EDT
[#45]
Recce. Scout, snope, and call it in.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 4:54:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. One man can schwack a foot patrol from 400 yards, or even better, sow confusion and chaos among the enemy, and make damn sure they know they aren’t safe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RECCE. You can kill a lot more bad guys and possibly live longer so long as comms are secure. This. One man can schwack a foot patrol from 400 yards, or even better, sow confusion and chaos among the enemy, and make damn sure they know they aren’t safe. Getting the right idea. You don't need to schwack the whole patrol. Just drop one, and be unassing before the bullet hits. Wait a few hours or days and repeat. It doesn't take many people doing that to really screw with an invading or occupying force. |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 5:09:34 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does recce not get a sidearm? Because if you are actually doing it then you don’t want one. I knew verrrrrry few people who would take a sidearm |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 5:17:31 PM EDT
[#48]
wow, and I thought I was going nuts buying gear in AOR2.
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Posted: 2/26/2022 5:19:40 PM EDT
[#49]
RECCE. Just so I can say “RECCE
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Posted: 2/26/2022 5:21:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me you're not a tactical operator without telling me you're not a tactical operator. Just kidding. I'm not cool enough to know what that is either. In for answer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What the fuck is RECCE? Tell me you're not a tactical operator without telling me you're not a tactical operator. Just kidding. I'm not cool enough to know what that is either. In for answer. I didn’t know either. Glad someone asked. Based on other answers in the thread looks to be short for reconnaissance |
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