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Posted: 1/14/2020 11:35:22 AM EDT
I've heard this crap multiple times in recent years and it drives me absolutely crazy.

Had a co-worker (liberal as hell) tell me this exact thing the other day at work - "gun owners think they can defeat anything with a rifle - how effective is that rifle going to be against tanks and aircraft?"

I reminded her of all the insurgencies throughout history where poor farmers with only small arms kept major military powers on their toes for years and years.

I told her, "the last time I checked, the Taliban doesn't have tanks or aircraft either - they wear rags, have little to no transportation, and still (with only small arms) - they haven't been defeated or given up."

She had no response to that and walked away.

Anyone else encounter this bullshit logic from the left?
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:40:26 AM EDT
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I've heard this crap multiple times in recent years and it drives me absolutely crazy.

Had a co-worker (liberal as hell) tell me this exact thing the other day at work - "gun owners think they can defeat anything with a rifle - how effective is that rifle going to be against tanks and aircraft?"

I reminded her of all the insurgencies throughout history where poor farmers with only small arms kept major military powers on their toes for years and years.

I told her, "the last time I checked, the Taliban doesn't have tanks or aircraft either - they wear rags, have little to no transportation, and still (with only small arms) - they haven't been defeated or given up."

She had no response to that and walked away.

Anyone else encounter this bullshit logic from the left?
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I find it more productive to have conversations with rocks since I’m far more likely to change their mind as opposed to changing a sick person’s mind
YMMV
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:40:45 AM EDT
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“Why you think I’ve got AT-4s, biatch?”
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:41:23 AM EDT
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If someone kills the tank driver and their family with an AR15 in the middle of the night....don't really have to worry about tanks very much do ya?

Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:41:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Its really not worth the argument or protentional red flag

Those people have their minds made up just the same as we do
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:41:57 AM EDT
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Tell her your rifle isn’t for tanks and aircraft, it’s for liberals when the booger glue kicks off.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:42:22 AM EDT
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Tell that to the Taliban I guess they did not get the memo......
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:42:42 AM EDT
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Aircraft and Tanks require tons of fuel, logistics and maintenance plus their crews must exit those platforms. I am sure this is NOT a problem LOL.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:43:14 AM EDT
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I've heard this crap multiple times in recent years and it drives me absolutely crazy.

Had a co-worker (liberal as hell) tell me this exact thing the other day at work - "gun owners think they can defeat anything with a rifle - how effective is that rifle going to be against tanks and aircraft?"

I reminded her of all the insurgencies throughout history where poor farmers with only small arms kept major military powers on their toes for years and years.

I told her, "the last time I checked, the Taliban doesn't have tanks or aircraft either - they wear rags, have little to no transportation, and still (with only small arms) - they haven't been defeated or given up."

She had no response to that and walked away.

Anyone else encounter this bullshit logic from the left?
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They work just fine on the people that order the tanks and airplanes.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:43:31 AM EDT
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If someone kills the tank driver and their family with an AR15 in the middle of the night....don't really have to worry about tanks very much do ya?

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We’ve been held to a draw by a bunch of illiterate savages when we have the ability to retreat into fortified FOBs at night.  Same thing wouldn’t be the case in the scenario he’s talking about.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:43:44 AM EDT
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That kind of reminds me of the vietnam vet I know telling me about getting shot at with bows and arrows as they flew over in helicopters.

I laughed a little at first, but he said it was terrifying to think if they will go against a helicopter with arrows, what wouldn't they do?
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:00 AM EDT
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If they are worthless, then it should be no problem for me to own a dozen or so, right?

If they are so worthless, why do we equip our soldiers with rifles, when clearly, there will be tanks and planes on the battlefield?

Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:10 AM EDT
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The fact that some people are comfortable with the thought of their government having the wherewithal to use tanks and aircraft against their citizenry, and in fact are more comfortable with that than they are with the thought of you being armed, tells you all you need to know about them.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:24 AM EDT
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I like to tell them I'm not fighting tanks and aircraft, I'm fighting them.  Where will they be? They are the support for the socialists.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:38 AM EDT
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Liberals are Surrender Monkeys.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:44:59 AM EDT
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If someone kills the tank driver and their family with an AR15 in the middle of the night....don't really have to worry about tanks very much do ya?

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There you go.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:45:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:45:26 AM EDT
[#18]
heh
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:45:31 AM EDT
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I watched a movie once in which a Chinese guy stopped a tank with a briefcase.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:45:49 AM EDT
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If someone kills the tank driver and their family with an AR15 in the middle of the night....don't really have to worry about tanks very much do ya?

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   Burning fuel depots light the night sky like a bonfire, a Freedom Fire if you will.

Grab a beer and watch it burn. Muhrica!
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:46:12 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:46:30 AM EDT
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I love how libs think tanks and planes just operate themselves and are not controlled by a majority who thinks just the opposite of them
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:46:50 AM EDT
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Usually when someone opens up that line of argument, I say something like: "Yes, that's why the US military beat Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq so easily"
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:46:51 AM EDT
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Were tanks and aircraft useful in taking down Christopher Dorner or the DC Snipers?  How much of the government's manpower was tied up trying to stop these people?

Now consider a much larger number of armed citizens not out to create mass terror, but to resist a tyrannical government.

The secret to beating tanks and aircraft is to avoid fighting tanks and aircraft.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:47:40 AM EDT
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Aircraft and Tanks require tons of fuel, logistics and maintenance plus their crews must exit those platforms. I am sure this is NOT a problem LOL.
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This right here.

My usual reply to that nonsense is: “Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.”
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:48:18 AM EDT
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There you go.
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If someone kills the tank driver and their family with an AR15 in the middle of the night....don't really have to worry about tanks very much do ya?

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Roll-Safe-Think-About-It.jpg
There you go.
It's as much for domestic defense as fighting off an army.
If some poor sap lived on the edge of Ferguson MO as downtown was burning and their door was getting kicked in, the cops weren't coming.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:49:25 AM EDT
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I don't understand why these people think that someone who would go that route would be participating in conventional battlefield warfare in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that most of the rebels know that if they ever pull the trigger, they'll be discovered and either killed or captured with a quickness.

So why would they waste that trigger pull on some random 20 year old military conscript? That military dude isn't the ones calling the shots.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:49:40 AM EDT
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I don't worry much about tanks and aircraft
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:49:53 AM EDT
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Why do they think tanks and aircraft should be used against Americans?

What if gun owners hide in Chicago or New York?  Would Marxists advocate for leveling those cities in an effort to confiscate firearms?

Armies don't just wake up one day and decide to start killing their own citizens.  It takes direction.  Direction that comes from politicians.  Politicians need to will of the people to back them up.  People who openly out their political affiliation on the internet for everyone to see.  People who talk about their childrens schools, their spouses employer, their activities and churches....

Cut off the head and the snake will die....  But the inverse is true as well.  Cut off the body and the head will die.  If the people lose their desire to impose themselves on others, the political leadership will follow.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:02 AM EDT
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who says we won't have tanks and planes?

Asking for a friend.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:10 AM EDT
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The whole tanks and aircraft thing has always been a stupid point.

The general population is not going to support the .gov/.mil shelling their homes with an m1 abrams or their business/place of employment being destroyed by a warthog's strafing run.

The fight would not be in rural empty space but in urban and suburban areas where people work and live.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:24 AM EDT
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Were tanks and aircraft useful in taking down Christopher Dorner or the DC Snipers?  How much of the government's manpower was tied up trying to stop these people?

Now consider a much larger number of armed citizens not out to create mass terror, but to resist a tyrannical government.

The secret to beating tanks and aircraft is to avoid fighting tanks and aircraft.
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Dorner, the Boston bombers, and the DC sniper all show how well some frankly losers with no real plan can shut down a large area and a lot of personnel.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:29 AM EDT
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The fact that some people are comfortable with the thought of their government having the wherewithal to use tanks and aircraft against their citizenry, and in fact are more comfortable with that than they are with the thought of you being armed, tells you all you need to know about them.
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They WANT them to use tanks and aircraft against us.  Right now.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:35 AM EDT
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I've had that conversation before.  I think the best response is to ask why every military in the world bothers with small arms if they don't work against tanks, and whether they're aware that anyone that paid attention in college chemistry can make all the explosives they need, if the time comes to that.

ETA, pictures from the Romanian revolution are pretty good too. Lots of small arms, virtually no RPGs/MANPADs, etc.

Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:50:47 AM EDT
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The fact that some people are comfortable with the thought of their government having the wherewithal to use tanks and aircraft against their citizenry, and in fact are more comfortable with that than they are with the thought of you being armed, tells you all you need to know about them.
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Needed to be repeated.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:52:19 AM EDT
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They might be worthless against air and armor...but they're damn effective against their wife and kids.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:52:21 AM EDT
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If they are worthless, then it should be no problem for me to own a dozen or so, right?

If they are so worthless, why do we equip our soldiers with rifles, when clearly, there will be tanks and planes on the battlefield?

Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
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The fact that some people are comfortable with the thought of their government having the wherewithal to use tanks and aircraft against their citizenry, and in fact are more comfortable with that than they are with the thought of you being armed, tells you all you need to know about them.
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Good posts.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:53:01 AM EDT
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In NAZI Germany, the families of SS troops weren't riding around in tanks or aircraft.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:53:13 AM EDT
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Make no mistake, a bunch of armed citizens with neutered ARs are gonna loose vs the might of the US military... but the destruction caused would be enough that there'd be no country left to rule, not to mention the military is made up of citizens itself who (hopefully) wouldn't exactly be willing to destroy their own homes/people.

It's MAD... Mutually Assured Destruction. As long as the civilians are armed, it will never happen.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:53:31 AM EDT
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"Are you saying your side will send tanks and aircraft against its own citizens? Are you going to roll tanks into cities and glass suburbs? Because thats what youre telling me."
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:54:15 AM EDT
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That's why we have Socks, OD, Cushion Sole, Sticky Bombs.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:55:11 AM EDT
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Yeah it used to be "Your AR-15 can't do anything against a tank", now the progressive soy-infused urbanite dreams of drone striking his political opposition.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:57:17 AM EDT
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They might be worthless against air and armor...but they're damn effective against their wife and kids.
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Goes both ways, don’t forget that.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:57:36 AM EDT
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Yes I use an example like yours sometimes but I usually toss out " oh so you are completely fine with government being absolutely capable of smashing its citizens into oblivion because history shows us that governments never become corrupt nor oppressive. Yes let's make sure   o future generations have a chance."
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:58:22 AM EDT
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Uh... pretty sure tanks have been completely destroyed in Iraq and Afghanistan by IEDs made by  uneducated men wearing towels on their heads.

As for jets and drones... do liberals think they would drop jdams on Americans on American soil?  Lol.  Dumb shit liberals
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:59:24 AM EDT
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Who cares? It's irrelevant. If I want one, then that's ample reason for me to have one.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 12:00:28 PM EDT
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My favorite comparison is AR15 vs nuke.

I went all and pointed out if we were nuking our own people over gun bans, we probably don't deserve to remain on the planet in the first place.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 12:00:43 PM EDT
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Let Leftist think that.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 12:00:56 PM EDT
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Ask her who drives those tanks and flies those planes?
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