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Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:07:09 PM EDT
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Do workers at Lockheed and Northrop not pay taxes?
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“Every time we get them what they need, they win. But this administration is so concerned about being provocative,” said McCaul. “We are not doing what we need to do to have them win this thing more quickly. The longer this thing drags out, the more difficult it’s going to be, and we’re not giving them what they need.”


The new Republican Party strategy: out Democrat the Democrats.

Well actually, not that new...



I’m shocked.  

The republicans are war mongers too, their buddies at Lockheed and Northrop survive on the political welfare.

Why the hate for Lockheed and Northrop that employ lots of Conservatives/Republicans in well paying high tech and manufacturing jobs?

At the cost of billions of taxpayer dollars? Economics not your strong suit?

Do workers at Lockheed and Northrop not pay taxes?


They pay taxes at the level that covers the taxpayer dollars that fund them? I suggest you look up the broken window logical fallacy.
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:09:57 PM EDT
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Watched the national news last night for the first time in 5 years.

They spent time letting me know how "powerful" the speech was and how supporting Ukraine was a great thing.  They briefly mentioned the R's opposed it but didn't say why, I mean like 4 seconds total at the end of the segment in a deadpan voice.  

Of course they then tore into Trump via the Jan 6 BS.  Talked about "explosive" revelations against him.  Didn't mention exactly what was so explosive about these so called revelations, but made sure to let me know several times they were indeed explosive.
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:19:23 PM EDT
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Watched the national news last night for the first time in 5 years.

They spent time letting me know how "powerful" the speech was and how supporting Ukraine was a great thing.  They briefly mentioned the R's opposed it but didn't say why, I mean like 4 seconds total at the end of the segment in a deadpan voice.  

Of course they then tore into Trump via the Jan 6 BS.  Talked about "explosive" revelations against him.  Didn't mention exactly what was so explosive about these so called revelations, but made sure to let me know several times they were indeed explosive.
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Normally makes me accept the 180° opposite position ,  never agree w/ the MSM.
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:33:13 PM EDT
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The main reason why derpy right wingers are taking an anti-Ukraine stance is so that they can pat themselves on the back for being contrarians who don't take "normie" stances. They define themselves as being redpilled guys who believe themselves to be above "normies" and thus must always take the opposite stance, because they know the "real facts." In reality, though, they don't care about facts. They only care about not being "one of them." They're nothing more than right wing NPCs.
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Why ..... because they agree with their constituents instead of all the Uke bros here ?

Maybe they want to follow their conscience instead of the crowd .
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Pre-war he was elected as an outsider overwhelmingly because the Ukrainian people lost faith in their major political parties post-Maiden and wanted an outsider not tied to the traditional parties to root out corruption  (sound familiar?): Ukraine President to Trump: ‘We Wanted to Drain the Swamp Here…You Are a Great Teacher for Us’

Post-war: He told Biden to send ammo, not a ride and has had no problems visiting even front line troops.

Of course none of this will be good enough for you. You'll still find something Tucker has told you to be outraged over.

I think what really makes some of you mad is that he's actually being the type of President you desperately wanted Trump to be and wasn't, and resent him for it. Same reasons the NoRons resent DeSantis. Why else would anyone claiming to be a Conservative be mad over an outsider that comes in, leads a nation at war killing Commies from the front and outlaws hard left/Socialist parties.
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That little cocksucker has already received billions and billions and billions of dollars as well as military hardware and support in aid, yet he makes the trip across the Atlantic escorted all the way by NATO jet fighters I might add, to ask for yet more money in nothing more that a big PR stunt.  The Democrat Left have already allocated the billions more for him.

Also, this little piece of shit has lied and spouted bullshit threats, trying everything he can to escalate this to WWIII levels and into a nuclear exchange, but he’s still just a puppet, being used by the Global Leftists but Zee Cult that lick his balls are too blind to even see that simple fact.

Piss on him and his Leftists puppet-masters!  His 15 minutes of fame expired months & months ago.

Really strange optics on this one,  line up w/ Pelosi- Schumer ? WTF .   Uke money flowing to K street Lobbyist ?   An actor performing in front of Congress in costume w/ an accent worthy of a movie role  They ate it up .

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but hear me out.

Maybe... And I do mean maaaaybe. It's because they're the current office holding United States government leadership and still responsible for decision making in D.C. until January.

That's my "out there" theory. Crazy, I know, but there it is.



They’re wrong on pretty much every issue including border security, military preparedness, food & energy agendas to name just a few but they’re so right on this one as it sinks us further into national debt, destabilizes Europe along with the US & the rest of the world, pushes the world to the closest to nuclear war that we’ve seen in decades, all in the name of Freedom and Democracy?

Yeah, right!  


It's one of the most bipartisan subjects among the American public in long time. Good vs evil has that effect.

The only people that oppose it are the loony left and tinfoil right who, I'm sure quite coincidentally, are using the same talking points opposing it.



Bipartisan?  lol

Funny how you guys always resort to name-calling or throwing out some lame association with Putin, but never seem to bring up examples of what a great leader Zelenskyyyy is.  What exactly has he done as leader of his country that's so commendable and worthy of admiration?

It’s always, “If you don’t like Zelenskyyyyyyy, you must be a Putin supporter, you Commie lover!”






Pre-war he was elected as an outsider overwhelmingly because the Ukrainian people lost faith in their major political parties post-Maiden and wanted an outsider not tied to the traditional parties to root out corruption  (sound familiar?): Ukraine President to Trump: ‘We Wanted to Drain the Swamp Here…You Are a Great Teacher for Us’

Post-war: He told Biden to send ammo, not a ride and has had no problems visiting even front line troops.

Of course none of this will be good enough for you. You'll still find something Tucker has told you to be outraged over.

I think what really makes some of you mad is that he's actually being the type of President you desperately wanted Trump to be and wasn't, and resent him for it. Same reasons the NoRons resent DeSantis. Why else would anyone claiming to be a Conservative be mad over an outsider that comes in, leads a nation at war killing Commies from the front and outlaws hard left/Socialist parties.



Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!

Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:40:16 PM EDT
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You really think that makes a difference? Mitch and Chuck run the show and they all know it. Those clowns virtue signaling for their low IQ supporters means nothing when push comes to shove. Watch and see.
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Yes... Mitch and Chuck don't run shit in the house and the house holds the purse strings.

This whole 1.7 trillion dollar monstrosity should have been put off until the new year .
It was rushed through exactly because Mitch and Chuck know whats coming in the house soon .
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 4:49:36 PM EDT
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You and I both know that you have zero evidence of money laundering, beyond your gut feelings and references to "10% for the big guy."
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Well, it is considering it was used for its intended purpose and not laundered back into politician's pockets.

But, yeah, sure. Totally the same.

You and I both know that you have zero evidence of money laundering, beyond your gut feelings and references to "10% for the big guy."
Zelensky himself could admit it was true and all of you Ukie Bros would trip over your dicks calling HIM a liar.
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Link Posted: 12/23/2022 5:12:28 PM EDT
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Sure, Zelensky was called to Washington to help keep the grift operation going. The Deep Staters see the grift train pulling into the grift station with the coming Russian Winter Offensive. Before the whole Ukraine house of cards comes down, the Deep Staters are to shake down the US central government for every last fiat dollar.

Of course, the Deep State plans to immediately memory hole Ukraine for the next grift, just as Ukraine memory holed Afghanistan, but one never knows. A lot of chumps are beginning to see the drift of things. Not like back in the 1960's with Vietnam. Not that the Deep State was not worried even then in the pre-internet era, what with 58,220 dead Americans and nothing to show for it.

But there's also a deeper reason in that Zelensky like all of his ilk is deeply neurotic, indeed a psychopath. He's been hitting the nose candy pretty hard of late. His incoherent babbling in recent interviews has been embarrassing to say the least. Perhaps his recent costumed performance in front of the central government congress will steady his nerves a bit.

However, I expect Zelensky will have a full blown mental breakdown within days of the Russian Winter Offensive starting. I'm looking forward to watch him babble. I'll be no more good if when he comes running back to congress, he's flown instead to Moscow for a War Crimes trial.
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 5:28:04 PM EDT
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Sure, Zelensky was called to Washington to help keep the grift operation going. The Deep Staters see the grift train pulling into the grift station with the coming Russian Winter Offensive. Before the whole Ukraine house of cards comes down, the Deep Staters are to shake down the US central government for every last fiat dollar.

Of course, the Deep State plans to immediately memory hole Ukraine for the next grift, just as Ukraine memory holed Afghanistan, but one never knows. A lot of chumps are beginning to see the drift of things. Not like back in the 1960's with Vietnam. Not that the Deep State was not worried even then in the pre-internet era, what with 58,220 dead Americans and nothing to show for it.

But there's also a deeper reason in that Zelensky like all of his ilk is deeply neurotic, indeed a psychopath. He's been hitting the nose candy pretty hard of late. His incoherent babbling in recent interviews has been embarrassing to say the least. Perhaps his recent costumed performance in front of the central government congress will steady his nerves a bit.

However, I expect Zelensky will have a full blown mental breakdown within days of the Russian Winter Offensive starting. I'm looking forward to watch him babble. I'll be no more good if when he comes running back to congress, he's flown instead to Moscow for a War Crimes trial.
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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

@oswald01

Link Posted: 12/23/2022 5:31:47 PM EDT
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Sure, Zelensky was called to Washington to help keep the grift operation going. The Deep Staters see the grift train pulling into the grift station with the coming Russian Winter Offensive. Before the whole Ukraine house of cards comes down, the Deep Staters are to shake down the US central government for every last fiat dollar.

Of course, the Deep State plans to immediately memory hole Ukraine for the next grift, just as Ukraine memory holed Afghanistan, but one never knows. A lot of chumps are beginning to see the drift of things. Not like back in the 1960's with Vietnam. Not that the Deep State was not worried even then in the pre-internet era, what with 58,220 dead Americans and nothing to show for it.

But there's also a deeper reason in that Zelensky like all of his ilk is deeply neurotic, indeed a psychopath. He's been hitting the nose candy pretty hard of late. His incoherent babbling in recent interviews has been embarrassing to say the least. Perhaps his recent costumed performance in front of the central government congress will steady his nerves a bit.

However, I expect Zelensky will have a full blown mental breakdown within days of the Russian Winter Offensive starting. I'm looking forward to watch him babble. I'll be no more good if when he comes running back to congress, he's flown instead to Moscow for a War Crimes trial.
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Sure, Zelensky was called to Washington to help keep the grift operation going. The Deep Staters see the grift train pulling into the grift station with the coming Russian Winter Offensive. Before the whole Ukraine house of cards comes down, the Deep Staters are to shake down the US central government for every last fiat dollar.

Of course, the Deep State plans to immediately memory hole Ukraine for the next grift, just as Ukraine memory holed Afghanistan, but one never knows. A lot of chumps are beginning to see the drift of things. Not like back in the 1960's with Vietnam. Not that the Deep State was not worried even then in the pre-internet era, what with 58,220 dead Americans and nothing to show for it.

But there's also a deeper reason in that Zelensky like all of his ilk is deeply neurotic, indeed a psychopath. He's been hitting the nose candy pretty hard of late. His incoherent babbling in recent interviews has been embarrassing to say the least. Perhaps his recent costumed performance in front of the central government congress will steady his nerves a bit.

However, I expect Zelensky will have a full blown mental breakdown within days of the Russian Winter Offensive starting. I'm looking forward to watch him babble. I'll be no more good if when he comes running back to congress, he's flown instead to Moscow for a War Crimes trial.





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History is not a woke morality play.

Hitler was a Deep State asset, Stalin was not. Hitler fulfilled his function and enjoyed a comfortable retirement.

Stalin won WWII and preserved Russia's sovereignty.

One wonders how separated from reality these people are. On the one hand they provoke the Bear to a know not what and on the other are completely unprepared for the predictable response.

I see a lot of parallels between Hitler and Zelensky. I'm sure the Ukraine military high command does as well.

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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

@oswald01

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Sweet! Then we don’t have to send any more money because Russia has no men or equipment for a winter offensive.
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Meth not even once.
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Sweet! Then we don’t have to send any more money because Russia has no men or equipment for a winter offensive.
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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

@oswald01


Sweet! Then we don’t have to send any more money because Russia has no men or equipment for a winter offensive.



Touché, MFers!

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Meth not even once.
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Meth not even once.



the followup is even better

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Rather than some sort of Q figure, Hitler was the ultimate "crisis actor" of his day.


Oswald really is one of my favorite posters.  This shit is GOLD, Jerry!   Gold!
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The left can't meme.
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Rage memes have turned the far right into room temp IQ NPCs
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Normally makes me accept the 180  opposite position ,  never agree w/ the MSM.
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And y'all blame those who disagree with you as "lacking critical thought" while admitting you do absolutely zero.

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The new Pelosi budget funds until Sept 2023.  The GOP 2022 Senate effectively removed the power of the purse for the first year of the 2023 House.  

The 2023 House could pass a new budget in January that overrides what Pelosi just passed, but it won't get through Schumer's 2023 Senate.  In September the current budget will expire and the shutdown games will begin.

As far as funding Ukraine, the GOP house will have a tiny minority.  If McCarthy caves to pressure (and he will) then it would only take a few republicans joining with democrats to move a Ukraine funding bill to the Senate.   If McCarthy stands firm (and he wont) then as speaker he can pretty much block any legislation he doesn't like - which is what Pelosi does.




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The left can't meme.
Rage memes have turned the far right into room temp IQ NPCs


What does that say about those who can’t comprehend the format nor what makes them effective?
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the followup is even better



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That is gold.

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God help us if the MSM puts out a PSA about the benefits of breathing.
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God help us if the MSM puts out a PSA about the benefits of breathing.
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That may actually be God helping us
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Sweet! Then we don’t have to send any more money because Russia has no men or equipment for a winter offensive.
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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

@oswald01


Sweet! Then we don’t have to send any more money because Russia has no men or equipment for a winter offensive.



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I was tryin to be nice...  
Link Posted: 12/23/2022 6:20:09 PM EDT
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Oh, that's different. lol
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The new Pelosi budget funds until Sept 2023.  The GOP 2022 Senate effectively removed the power of the purse for the first year of the 2023 House.  

The 2023 House could pass a new budget in January that overrides what Pelosi just passed, but it won't get through Schumer's 2023 Senate.  In September the current budget will expire and the shutdown games will begin.

As far as funding Ukraine, the GOP house will have a tiny minority.  If McCarthy caves to pressure (and he will) then it would only take a few republicans joining with democrats to move a Ukraine funding bill to the Senate.   If McCarthy stands firm (and he wont) then as speaker he can pretty much block any legislation he doesn't like - which is what Pelosi does.
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We’ll see what happens with the October 1st FY 2024 budget but a hard recession here and in Europe could recalibrate views as well as any other new developments but the thread is just a food for thought to have a reference point moving forward given the new change and statements made by McCarthy and others. Serbia & Kosovo, Iran nuclear, Taiwan, if N Korea resumes nuclear testing, etc. given statements by the defense industry of needing until 2025 to catch up with production requirements. Same for others, can Putin conscript to 1.5, arm and deploy them, demonstrate any battlefield successes, state of Russian economy with sanctions biting, his new pipelines to China not ready until 2025-2030 and if his trade partners China and India go at it how does Moscow manage arm sales to both, etc. If McCarthy and GOP trade budget deals what will they get in return? McConnel thinks a reduction in the IRS budget was worth trading off for this current budget.
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Well considering that Ukraine still has to fight Russians that are occupying their territory and who are still firing cruise missiles at their cities, yeah.  It is.
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Well considering that Ukraine still has to fight Russians that are occupying their territory and who are still firing cruise missiles at their cities, yeah.  It is.
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In that case I don't think 45 billion will be enough, those are rookie numbers !
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In that case I don't think 45 billion will be enough, those are rookie numbers !
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Let me recap since you're having trouble.

Oswald:  Glorious Russian winter offensive will have Zelensky flown to Moscow for war crimes trials!

Fadedsun: Dude, what?  Even their own guys don't think they have the men or equipment to launch a major offensive now.

Navydoc1: Gotcha!  So no more aid is needed!!

Peanut gallery: haha, checkmate libtards!!!

Me:  There's still plenty of ongoing fighting even if Russia doesn't have the strength to launch a major offensive.


Does that help?
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Let me recap since you're having trouble.

Oswald:  Glorious Russian winter offensive will have Zelensky flown to Moscow for war crimes trials!

Fadedsun: Dude, what?  Even their own guys don't think they have the men or equipment to launch a major offensive now.

Navydoc1: Gotcha!  So no more aid is needed!!

Peanut gallery: haha, checkmate libtards!!!

Me:  There's still plenty of ongoing fighting even if Russia doesn't have the strength to launch a major offensive.


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We should be content with the state of gun rights and government now and never seek to reverse it?

Allowing a tyrant to keep what he has illegally taken is always good, right?

Keep the aid flowing. Once Russia is pushed out, re-evaluate it.

But there’s a lot more stuff that can be cut.

Why didn’t we stop the advance towards Japan after midway?

Japan couldn’t threaten america again, right?
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In that case I don't think 45 billion will be enough, those are rookie numbers !
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It won't be enough,  it's open ended,  a cash cow .     FJB said "whatever it takes " ,  wtf is the end game here?,     Two.......yea two R Congressmen who will be here next year voted for that Bill,  see a trend here ?
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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

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Are they out of missiles again? Fuck Z
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Franklin has been covered, so...........

Churchill Speech "Give Us The Tools" (1941)


Churchill was weak? Who knew?
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Are they planning on capturing him with a cruise missile barrage or something?
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Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!

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Agreed. I quite frankly wish that Putin would finish the job in Ukraine so he can expose just how corrupt Zelinsky is along with his dealings with the Biden crime family. The bonus to that would be we’d stop sending our tax dollars to prop up that regime.
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They pay taxes at the level that covers the taxpayer dollars that fund them? I suggest you look up the broken window logical fallacy.
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“Every time we get them what they need, they win. But this administration is so concerned about being provocative,” said McCaul. “We are not doing what we need to do to have them win this thing more quickly. The longer this thing drags out, the more difficult it’s going to be, and we’re not giving them what they need.”


The new Republican Party strategy: out Democrat the Democrats.

Well actually, not that new...



I’m shocked.  

The republicans are war mongers too, their buddies at Lockheed and Northrop survive on the political welfare.

Why the hate for Lockheed and Northrop that employ lots of Conservatives/Republicans in well paying high tech and manufacturing jobs?

At the cost of billions of taxpayer dollars? Economics not your strong suit?

Do workers at Lockheed and Northrop not pay taxes?


They pay taxes at the level that covers the taxpayer dollars that fund them? I suggest you look up the broken window logical fallacy.

Who claimed that?



Like I said, why the hate against jobs that employ mostly Conservatives in high tech and manufacturing jobs in red states?

The only people I've ever heard cry about the "ebil MIC" are Code Pink hard left Commies that want to see a weakened and defeated America, and Conservatives out of work...
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Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!

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That little cocksucker has already received billions and billions and billions of dollars as well as military hardware and support in aid, yet he makes the trip across the Atlantic escorted all the way by NATO jet fighters I might add, to ask for yet more money in nothing more that a big PR stunt.  The Democrat Left have already allocated the billions more for him.

Also, this little piece of shit has lied and spouted bullshit threats, trying everything he can to escalate this to WWIII levels and into a nuclear exchange, but he’s still just a puppet, being used by the Global Leftists but Zee Cult that lick his balls are too blind to even see that simple fact.

Piss on him and his Leftists puppet-masters!  His 15 minutes of fame expired months & months ago.

Really strange optics on this one,  line up w/ Pelosi- Schumer ? WTF .   Uke money flowing to K street Lobbyist ?   An actor performing in front of Congress in costume w/ an accent worthy of a movie role  They ate it up .

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but hear me out.

Maybe... And I do mean maaaaybe. It's because they're the current office holding United States government leadership and still responsible for decision making in D.C. until January.

That's my "out there" theory. Crazy, I know, but there it is.



They’re wrong on pretty much every issue including border security, military preparedness, food & energy agendas to name just a few but they’re so right on this one as it sinks us further into national debt, destabilizes Europe along with the US & the rest of the world, pushes the world to the closest to nuclear war that we’ve seen in decades, all in the name of Freedom and Democracy?

Yeah, right!  


It's one of the most bipartisan subjects among the American public in long time. Good vs evil has that effect.

The only people that oppose it are the loony left and tinfoil right who, I'm sure quite coincidentally, are using the same talking points opposing it.



Bipartisan?  lol

Funny how you guys always resort to name-calling or throwing out some lame association with Putin, but never seem to bring up examples of what a great leader Zelenskyyyy is.  What exactly has he done as leader of his country that's so commendable and worthy of admiration?

It’s always, “If you don’t like Zelenskyyyyyyy, you must be a Putin supporter, you Commie lover!”






Pre-war he was elected as an outsider overwhelmingly because the Ukrainian people lost faith in their major political parties post-Maiden and wanted an outsider not tied to the traditional parties to root out corruption  (sound familiar?): Ukraine President to Trump: ‘We Wanted to Drain the Swamp Here…You Are a Great Teacher for Us’

Post-war: He told Biden to send ammo, not a ride and has had no problems visiting even front line troops.

Of course none of this will be good enough for you. You'll still find something Tucker has told you to be outraged over.

I think what really makes some of you mad is that he's actually being the type of President you desperately wanted Trump to be and wasn't, and resent him for it. Same reasons the NoRons resent DeSantis. Why else would anyone claiming to be a Conservative be mad over an outsider that comes in, leads a nation at war killing Commies from the front and outlaws hard left/Socialist parties.



Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!


‘I need ammunition, not a ride’: Zelensky declines US evacuation offer

(See, when I'm asked for proof, I have no issue supplying it unlike the money laundering tinfoil crowd.)

NY Post isn't exactly a lib publication (not necessarily a Conservative one either though). Plenty of other sources reported it if you don't like that one. Just plug the phrase into your favorite search engine. It was pretty widely reported.

Why the fuck would Zelensky reach out to negotiate a peace? He's winning. They intend to reclaim all the Ukrainian territory Russia illegally annexed, as well they should. Did we reach out to Hitler, Hirohito, or Mussolini to negotiate a peace or did we bomb them into surrender? And you heard wrong. Putin, the loser, can reach out to surrender at any time he wishes to stop sending his fellow countrymen to their deaths to satisfy his megalomaniacal goals of rebuilding the Soviet Union/Russian Empire.

You really seem like you're wound up pretty tight about someone you hadn't even heard of 11 months ago. I'd suggest you go grab some adult egg nog and go find something else in the remaining $1,655,000,000,000 of the omnibus bill to shake your fist at rather than a little 2.65% sliver. Merry Christmas!
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Are they out of missiles again? Fuck Z
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More propaganda from comrade Oswald.

Russia can’t do a winter offensive because they don’t have the men or equipment.

Even girkin and muriz state so.

@oswald01



Are they out of missiles again? Fuck Z

There's no way Russia is going to invade! It's just a big bluff!

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the followup is even better



Oswald really is one of my favorite posters.  This shit is GOLD, Jerry!   Gold!
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Meth not even once.



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Rather than some sort of Q figure, Hitler was the ultimate "crisis actor" of his day.


Oswald really is one of my favorite posters.  This shit is GOLD, Jerry!   Gold!

Primorsky 2.0!
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Yet we’re told by the media and those on this site to believe this all has bipartisan support.  That ain’t nothing but another damn lie on top of a pile of lies.

JUST IN: Chip Roy Completely Explodes At Democrats On House Floor Over Omnibus



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‘I need ammunition, not a ride’: Zelensky declines US evacuation offer

(See, when I'm asked for proof, I have no issue supplying it unlike the money laundering tinfoil crowd.)

NY Post isn't exactly a lib publication (not necessarily a Conservative one either though). Plenty of other sources reported it if you don't like that one. Just plug the phrase into your favorite search engine. It was pretty widely reported.

Why the fuck would Zelensky reach out to negotiate a peace? He's winning. They intend to reclaim all the Ukrainian territory Russia illegally annexed, as well they should. Did we reach out to Hitler, Hirohito, or Mussolini to negotiate a peace or did we bomb them into surrender? And you heard wrong. Putin, the loser, can reach out to surrender at any time he wishes to stop sending his fellow countrymen to their deaths to satisfy his megalomaniacal goals of rebuilding the Soviet Union/Russian Empire.

You really seem like you're wound up pretty tight about someone you hadn't even heard of 11 months ago. I'd suggest you go grab some adult egg nog and go find something else in the remaining $1,655,000,000,000 of the omnibus bill to shake your fist at rather than a little 2.65% sliver. Merry Christmas!
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That little cocksucker has already received billions and billions and billions of dollars as well as military hardware and support in aid, yet he makes the trip across the Atlantic escorted all the way by NATO jet fighters I might add, to ask for yet more money in nothing more that a big PR stunt.  The Democrat Left have already allocated the billions more for him.

Also, this little piece of shit has lied and spouted bullshit threats, trying everything he can to escalate this to WWIII levels and into a nuclear exchange, but he’s still just a puppet, being used by the Global Leftists but Zee Cult that lick his balls are too blind to even see that simple fact.

Piss on him and his Leftists puppet-masters!  His 15 minutes of fame expired months & months ago.

Really strange optics on this one,  line up w/ Pelosi- Schumer ? WTF .   Uke money flowing to K street Lobbyist ?   An actor performing in front of Congress in costume w/ an accent worthy of a movie role  They ate it up .

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but hear me out.

Maybe... And I do mean maaaaybe. It's because they're the current office holding United States government leadership and still responsible for decision making in D.C. until January.

That's my "out there" theory. Crazy, I know, but there it is.



They’re wrong on pretty much every issue including border security, military preparedness, food & energy agendas to name just a few but they’re so right on this one as it sinks us further into national debt, destabilizes Europe along with the US & the rest of the world, pushes the world to the closest to nuclear war that we’ve seen in decades, all in the name of Freedom and Democracy?

Yeah, right!  


It's one of the most bipartisan subjects among the American public in long time. Good vs evil has that effect.

The only people that oppose it are the loony left and tinfoil right who, I'm sure quite coincidentally, are using the same talking points opposing it.



Bipartisan?  lol

Funny how you guys always resort to name-calling or throwing out some lame association with Putin, but never seem to bring up examples of what a great leader Zelenskyyyy is.  What exactly has he done as leader of his country that's so commendable and worthy of admiration?

It’s always, “If you don’t like Zelenskyyyyyyy, you must be a Putin supporter, you Commie lover!”






Pre-war he was elected as an outsider overwhelmingly because the Ukrainian people lost faith in their major political parties post-Maiden and wanted an outsider not tied to the traditional parties to root out corruption  (sound familiar?): Ukraine President to Trump: ‘We Wanted to Drain the Swamp Here…You Are a Great Teacher for Us’

Post-war: He told Biden to send ammo, not a ride and has had no problems visiting even front line troops.

Of course none of this will be good enough for you. You'll still find something Tucker has told you to be outraged over.

I think what really makes some of you mad is that he's actually being the type of President you desperately wanted Trump to be and wasn't, and resent him for it. Same reasons the NoRons resent DeSantis. Why else would anyone claiming to be a Conservative be mad over an outsider that comes in, leads a nation at war killing Commies from the front and outlaws hard left/Socialist parties.



Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!


‘I need ammunition, not a ride’: Zelensky declines US evacuation offer

(See, when I'm asked for proof, I have no issue supplying it unlike the money laundering tinfoil crowd.)

NY Post isn't exactly a lib publication (not necessarily a Conservative one either though). Plenty of other sources reported it if you don't like that one. Just plug the phrase into your favorite search engine. It was pretty widely reported.

Why the fuck would Zelensky reach out to negotiate a peace? He's winning. They intend to reclaim all the Ukrainian territory Russia illegally annexed, as well they should. Did we reach out to Hitler, Hirohito, or Mussolini to negotiate a peace or did we bomb them into surrender? And you heard wrong. Putin, the loser, can reach out to surrender at any time he wishes to stop sending his fellow countrymen to their deaths to satisfy his megalomaniacal goals of rebuilding the Soviet Union/Russian Empire.

You really seem like you're wound up pretty tight about someone you hadn't even heard of 11 months ago. I'd suggest you go grab some adult egg nog and go find something else in the remaining $1,655,000,000,000 of the omnibus bill to shake your fist at rather than a little 2.65% sliver. Merry Christmas!


Wow, way back in February. He sure stuck to his word, until the money started rolling in. He’s damn sure had his hand out ever since.  The whole damn bill is a piece of shit that’s being shoved down us taxpayers throats.  Your Cult-God Zelenskyyyyyy was brought in to put a nice blue and yellow ribbon around it for the propaganda media to sell it’s passing.

Enjoy it because we're all going to be eating this shit sandwich for a mighty long time.



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You come into my house and ask for money, wear clothes at least as good for church or a funeral.  Don't look like a strip club manager.
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Agreed. I quite frankly wish that Putin would finish the job in Ukraine so he can expose just how corrupt Zelinsky is along with his dealings with the Biden crime family. The bonus to that would be we’d stop sending our tax dollars to prop up that regime.
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Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!



Agreed. I quite frankly wish that Putin would finish the job in Ukraine so he can expose just how corrupt Zelinsky is along with his dealings with the Biden crime family. The bonus to that would be we’d stop sending our tax dollars to prop up that regime.


I have a bad feeling this all will be swept under the WWIII rug.  Why else are the Global Democrats pushing so hard for this to ultimately involve NATO?





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Wow, way back in February. He sure stuck to his word, until the money started rolling in. He’s damn sure had his hand out ever since.  The whole damn bill is a piece of shit that’s being shoved down us taxpayers throats.  Your Cult-God Zelenskyyyyyy was brought in to put a nice blue and yellow ribbon around it for the propaganda media to sell it’s passing.

Enjoy it because we're all going to be eating this shit sandwich for a mighty long time.



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That little cocksucker has already received billions and billions and billions of dollars as well as military hardware and support in aid, yet he makes the trip across the Atlantic escorted all the way by NATO jet fighters I might add, to ask for yet more money in nothing more that a big PR stunt.  The Democrat Left have already allocated the billions more for him.

Also, this little piece of shit has lied and spouted bullshit threats, trying everything he can to escalate this to WWIII levels and into a nuclear exchange, but he’s still just a puppet, being used by the Global Leftists but Zee Cult that lick his balls are too blind to even see that simple fact.

Piss on him and his Leftists puppet-masters!  His 15 minutes of fame expired months & months ago.

Really strange optics on this one,  line up w/ Pelosi- Schumer ? WTF .   Uke money flowing to K street Lobbyist ?   An actor performing in front of Congress in costume w/ an accent worthy of a movie role  They ate it up .

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but hear me out.

Maybe... And I do mean maaaaybe. It's because they're the current office holding United States government leadership and still responsible for decision making in D.C. until January.

That's my "out there" theory. Crazy, I know, but there it is.



They’re wrong on pretty much every issue including border security, military preparedness, food & energy agendas to name just a few but they’re so right on this one as it sinks us further into national debt, destabilizes Europe along with the US & the rest of the world, pushes the world to the closest to nuclear war that we’ve seen in decades, all in the name of Freedom and Democracy?

Yeah, right!  


It's one of the most bipartisan subjects among the American public in long time. Good vs evil has that effect.

The only people that oppose it are the loony left and tinfoil right who, I'm sure quite coincidentally, are using the same talking points opposing it.



Bipartisan?  lol

Funny how you guys always resort to name-calling or throwing out some lame association with Putin, but never seem to bring up examples of what a great leader Zelenskyyyy is.  What exactly has he done as leader of his country that's so commendable and worthy of admiration?

It’s always, “If you don’t like Zelenskyyyyyyy, you must be a Putin supporter, you Commie lover!”






Pre-war he was elected as an outsider overwhelmingly because the Ukrainian people lost faith in their major political parties post-Maiden and wanted an outsider not tied to the traditional parties to root out corruption  (sound familiar?): Ukraine President to Trump: ‘We Wanted to Drain the Swamp Here…You Are a Great Teacher for Us’

Post-war: He told Biden to send ammo, not a ride and has had no problems visiting even front line troops.

Of course none of this will be good enough for you. You'll still find something Tucker has told you to be outraged over.

I think what really makes some of you mad is that he's actually being the type of President you desperately wanted Trump to be and wasn't, and resent him for it. Same reasons the NoRons resent DeSantis. Why else would anyone claiming to be a Conservative be mad over an outsider that comes in, leads a nation at war killing Commies from the front and outlaws hard left/Socialist parties.



Can you post a link to him only asking for ammo and no ride.  All I can find is his begging for money tour with NATO, EU, and now the US.  I see he’s also slated to stop in UK, Germany, & France after his wife already visited Paris on her trip to collect money.

What about towards the war?  Has he reached out to Russia to negotiate some kind of peace or even a ceasefire?  I heard Russia was even open to negotiations at one time at least.  All I hear about is his lies about a Russian missiles landing in Poland and saying Russia is responsible as well as the threats to nuke Russia when Ukraine “supposedly” doesn’t even have nukes.

Why do you guys alway bring up someone else like Putin or now Trump as some reason why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyyy?  Let me tell you why I don’t like Zelenskyyyyy - He’s a piece of shit who’s working with the Global Democrats to raid the US Treasury, take down Europe, and push the world towards WWIII & a nuclear conflict.  Ukraine certainly ain’t worth that at any price.

That’s why I hate the cocksucker!!!


‘I need ammunition, not a ride’: Zelensky declines US evacuation offer

(See, when I'm asked for proof, I have no issue supplying it unlike the money laundering tinfoil crowd.)

NY Post isn't exactly a lib publication (not necessarily a Conservative one either though). Plenty of other sources reported it if you don't like that one. Just plug the phrase into your favorite search engine. It was pretty widely reported.

Why the fuck would Zelensky reach out to negotiate a peace? He's winning. They intend to reclaim all the Ukrainian territory Russia illegally annexed, as well they should. Did we reach out to Hitler, Hirohito, or Mussolini to negotiate a peace or did we bomb them into surrender? And you heard wrong. Putin, the loser, can reach out to surrender at any time he wishes to stop sending his fellow countrymen to their deaths to satisfy his megalomaniacal goals of rebuilding the Soviet Union/Russian Empire.

You really seem like you're wound up pretty tight about someone you hadn't even heard of 11 months ago. I'd suggest you go grab some adult egg nog and go find something else in the remaining $1,655,000,000,000 of the omnibus bill to shake your fist at rather than a little 2.65% sliver. Merry Christmas!


Wow, way back in February. He sure stuck to his word, until the money started rolling in. He’s damn sure had his hand out ever since.  The whole damn bill is a piece of shit that’s being shoved down us taxpayers throats.  Your Cult-God Zelenskyyyyyy was brought in to put a nice blue and yellow ribbon around it for the propaganda media to sell it’s passing.

Enjoy it because we're all going to be eating this shit sandwich for a mighty long time.




You didn't specify there was an expiration date. If you'd like something more recent though...

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Zelensky-makes-surprise-visit-to-Bakhmut/5-2610133/

Visiting a front line location with active fighting.

And we've already established the acceptance of asking for help when it's necessary. Franklin, Adams, and Churchill all came long before Zelensky.
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Yet we’re told by the media and those on this site to believe this all has bipartisan support.  That ain’t nothing but another damn lie on top of a pile of lies.

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Sadly it appears Chip Roy isn't above just catering to the lowest common denominator to score political points with the low information crowd. Why would anyone with any intelligence ignore the other 97.35% of the bill?

Had higher hopes for him. Hope he isn't dumb enough to go full MTG.
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Two members of the 2023 Republican House voted for it ,   the 7 others were leaving .    What does that tell us ?
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Wow, way back in February. He sure stuck to his word, until the money started rolling in. He’s damn sure had his hand out ever since.  The whole damn bill is a piece of shit that’s being shoved down us taxpayers throats.  Your Cult-God Zelenskyyyyyy was brought in to put a nice blue and yellow ribbon around it for the propaganda media to sell it’s passing.

Enjoy it because we're all going to be eating this shit sandwich for a mighty long time.



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Well, this wouldn't be needed if we'd have stuck to our word and either 1. Protected Ukraine with our promises that convinced them to disarm, or 2, re-armed appropriately after 2014 with Tanks, Artillery and aircraft.

That said, you're not wrong about that bill or the little extras attached to it.
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Heres the fundamental disagreement, and why this is my last post on this thread; I do not believe we are involved for any righteous reason. I don't drink from the MSM water fountain and I'm not a delusional old man fighting ghosts of Cold War past. I also couldn't care less about either country as America is rotting from the inside.

Enjoy dogpiling me now.
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Do you actually believe shit this dumb, or do you just think it sounds good?

Goddamn right we should have say what happens with our money, and the spigot needs to be turned off, but it's not like the guy is doing anything I wouldn't expect of a decent American if we were being invaded and faced destruction.

In an existential war, I'd beg, borrow, murder, steal, bomb, lie, cheat, and do whatever it took to ensure this nation's survival.


It's not his job to look out for our interests, that's ostensibly for POTATUS to do.


Heres the fundamental disagreement, and why this is my last post on this thread; I do not believe we are involved for any righteous reason. I don't drink from the MSM water fountain and I'm not a delusional old man fighting ghosts of Cold War past. I also couldn't care less about either country as America is rotting from the inside.

Enjoy dogpiling me now.


Not dogpiling but this was an idiotic post. The righteous reason we are involved is because one of America's longest running enemies invaded their sovereign neighbors with the stated objective of genocide. There is no bigger righteous reason than to defeat an enemy of the US without risking our own troops' lives to do it. If you're so damned concern about America rotting from the inside, maybe you should take a look in the mirror to see where the inability to see morality comes from. Rotting from the inside indeed.
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