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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:08:50 AM EDT
Based off the participation in the Eli Dickens Drill thread i am starting a monthly pistol drill challenge. Each month ill post a new drill and video example. Ill also update a leader board with participant results that posted a video or pix of their shooting. Suggestions for other drill is appreciated. Get out and shoot!
August 2022 monthly drill: F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, & Speed Test) designed by Todd Green Range: 7 yards Target: 3×5 card (head), 8" circle or A zone of USPSA target (body) Start position: weapon concealed or in duty condition with all holster retention devices active; shooter facing downrange in relaxed stance with arms down at sides Rounds fired: 6 Shooter loads gun with a total of two rounds. On start signal, shooter draws and fires two rounds at the head target; performs a slidelock reload; and fires four rounds at the body target. Ranking: 10+ seconds: Novice less than 10 seconds: Intermediate less than 7 seconds: Advanced less than 5 seconds: Expert If shooter is using a retention holster and flap (covered) magazine pouches, subtract 0.5 seconds from the recorded time. If shooter is using an open-top retention holster (e.g., Blackhawk SERPA or Safariland ALS) with no concealment, add 0.50 seconds to the recorded time. FAST Drill August Results: @Henny P365XL 507K 8.18s @Henny G19 RMR 6.19s @GunsAndGoats Shadow Systems XR920 w/ 507 6.52s @Evnash LCP Max 10.00s 1 miss @Evnash P365 XL 507K 5.91s @Evnash Arex Delta 507K 6.15s @Evnash M&P9 507K 5.65s @Lurk-king XDM9 sub 7.44s 2 miss @03RN 1911 SA loaded 6390ALS 5.85s @Evnash P80 507K 4.90s @Henny 43X w/ Swampfox Sentinel 6.09s @henny 48 w/ Holosun 507K 6.10s @grey50beast CZ P07 MPS 5.46s @Kabic Sar CM9 GLS 9.36s @Kabic CZ 2075 RAMI 15.76s @MikeyCNY P365XL 9.02s @GunsAndGoats G48 6.67s @GunsAndGoats VP9 with Holosun 6.49s @steve8140 G19 with a RM06 6.11s @Gunnie357 Super 38 Commander 7.01s 1 miss @Notcalifornialegal Beretta 92a1 6.71s 1 miss @45-Seventy CZ Custom SDP/Holosun 507k 4.16s @RazorEdge Sig 320 X5 Legion/DPP 5.87s @11boomboom M18 4.94s @Fooboy G19 gen 5 with RMR 5.69s @LewdyMcshootie G19 w/ Acro 5.74s @grey50beast P365 7.1s @0627Devildog 5.62s @74novaman CZ PCR 8.18s @74novaman Glock 19 with RMR 6.78s @CoreShot Kimber 1911 5.97s @Davidrw5150 P80 w/ optic 9.39s September 2022 monthly drill: Wilson 5x5 skills test Drill calls out a IDPA target but you can use an USPSA target as well. +0.5s for C zone hits, +1.5s for D zone hits Concealment is optional. Start Shooting Better Episode 11: Wilson 5x5 Skill Test September Results @Fooboy g19 gen 5 with RMR and Streamlight 21.28s @Henny G19 RMR 23.50s @evnash P365XL holosun 19.56s @evnash Archon Type B 22.05s @evnash P7 PSP 23.00s @74novaman CZ PCR 23.99s @74novaman Glock 19 with RMR 28.08s @CoreShot Kimber 1911 18.33s @11boomboom Sig M18 red dot 20.17s @03RN SpringFeild 1911 20s @RazorEdge 320X5 Legion 18.18s October 2022 Drill The ASP 10-Round Skill Check Gun must be holstered and concealed. Shooting from open carry adds .35 seconds to the time recorded, excepting duty holsters with level 2 retention or above. Target is 7 yards away Scoring is “Virginia” style, meaning no make up shots are allowed. Extra shots are penalized -10 points. Hits are scored according to USPSA Minor Power Factor, I.e. 5 for A zone, 3 for B or C zone, 1 for D zone. Total points possible are 50 points, divided by total time for all four stages, giving hit factor. Take hit factor and multiply by 12.5 to normalize scores to 100 point system.Starting position for all stages may be hands at sides, hands at defensive fence, or “fig leaf” without grasping the cover garment. Strong side, AIWB, pocket carry, or ankle carry are all acceptable carry locations. Stage 1 (Draw to first shot):Draw and fire one shot, center mass. Record time and points.Repeat one time for a total of 2 rounds fired. Stage 2 (Dave Spaulding Skill on Demand Drill):Draw and fire 2 shots to the head. Record time and points. Stage 3 (Bill Drill, made by Bill Wilson):Draw and fire 6 shots, center mass. Record time and points. Scoring: 1.Add total points. (50 points are possible)2.Add total time on all four stages.3.Divide total points by total time.4.Multiply score by 12.5 to normalize to 100 point system. Standards:1.Competent CCW (learning pistol craft): 25-49.92. Professional: 50-74.993. Advanced (highly competent professional firearms carrier): 75-99.994. Master (highly developed skill set): 100+ Theoretical breakdowns:To achieve the standards, the following times are estimates of what the student should expect to be able to get A-zone hits: Stage 1 (draw to first shot):1.Beginner: 3.0 seconds2.Intermediate: 2.0 seconds3.Advanced: 1.4 seconds4.Master: 1.0 second Stage 2 (Skill on Demand)1.Beginner: 7.0 seconds (4.0 draw to first shot, 3.0 second shot)2.Intermediate: 4.0 seconds (2.5 draw to first shot, 1.5 second shot)3.Advanced: 2.5 seconds (1.75 draw to first shot, 0.75 second shot)4.Master: 2.0 seconds (1.5 draw to first shot, 0.5 second shot) Stage 3 (Bill Drill)1.Beginner: 12.5 seconds (3.5 draw to first shot, 1.8 follow up shots)2.Intermediate: 5.0 seconds (2.0 draw to first shot, 0.6 follow up shots)3.Advanced: 3.0 seconds (1.25 draw to first shot, .35 follow up shots)4.Master: 2.25 seconds (1.0 draw to first shot, .25 follow up shots The ASP 10-Round Skill Check (Original Drill) Oct results: @evnash P365XL w. 507k 71 pts @evnash Tisas Hi Power 64 pts @evnash LCP Max 53 pts @Coreshot Kimber1911 80 pts @RazorEdge 320X5 Legion 68 pts @11boomboom Sig M18 red dot 68 pts @Henny G19.5 MOS w/ RMR 67 pts @Gunnie357 Government 38 Super 64 pts @Gunnie357 Delta Elite 60 pts @03RN 1911 80 pts November 2022 Drill Point 1 Tactical Cold Standard V2 from concealment, 6 rounds in the mag, Starting at 3 yards, hands at the "high thoracic" ready position, while retreating, fire 6 rounds to the center rectangle. Then you will stop movement, perform a slide lock reload, fire 2 rounds into each of the Howitzer logos at the bottom (4 rounds total), and then initiate movement forward toward the target and fire 1 round into each of the Point 1 Tactics logos at the top, while moving. Time standard is 11.5 seconds to pass and 8 seconds for the Expert time. Must be shot clean to pass. Drill can be printed here: https://point1tactics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/COLD-V2-.4.pdf If you cant print you can draw it out yourself. Center box is 9"x 3 5/8" . Bottom circles are 1 5/8" and top circles are 1 1/4" . Point 1 Tactics Pistol Cold Standard V2 November results @CoreShot Kimber 1911 10:83s @03RN 1911 12:11s 2 M @Henny G19.5 MOS RMR 10:72s @evnash M&P9 507K 8.91s @11boomboom 9.3s 1 miss December 2022 Drill ASP 10 Round Skills check Version 2 shot from concealment for both pistol and spare mag. 7 yards If you cant draw due to an indoor range, just add .5s to EACH draw. Note the head shots are intended for the smaller A box, not the whole head String 1: draw and fire 1 shot to body String 2: draw and fire 2 shots to body String 3: draw and fire 2 rounds to body and 1 to head String 3: draw and fire 2 rounds to head, perform a slide lock reload, fire 2 rounds to body 50 pts total, 5 pts for A, 3 pts for C, 1 pt for D. points/time x 17 = total. https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpo0cuhzx375ane/ASP%2010%20Round%20Skill%20Check%20Type%202.pdf?dl=0 ASP 10-Round Skill Check Type 2 December results @evnash M&P9 507K 79.95 @03RN M66-8 76 @evnash LCP Max 52 @razoredge 70 @Henny G19 59 January 2023 Drill 10 in 8 Spaulding Drill Target is an index card @ 5 yards. Mark two positions say 3 yards apart on the ground. in the video he is open carrying but lets try both ways. Starting at one position, upon signal, draw while moving to other position, once there fire 5 rounds into index card. then move back to first position and fire 5 more. clean hits in under 8 sec is considered expert. line breaks count Bonus respect points if you run it concealed and more respect points if you throw a slide lock reload in between positions The 10 in 8 Drill Jan results: @evnash P365XL 507K 8.34s @evnash SA 4" 1911 9:06s 1 miss @11boombooom Sig M18 with DPP 9.31s 1 miss @gunsandgoats M&P 2.0 Compact 9.44 1 miss @gunsandgoats M&P 2.0 Compact 8.36s 2 miss @03RN Smith revolver 10s 2 miss @Henny G19 7.27s @vanilla_gorilla G45 optic 9.16s 1 miss @vanilla_gorilla Staccato optic 8.63 1 miss @baconfat STI 1911 9mm 4.65s 1 miss February 2023 Drill Average Joes: Strong and Weak: @7 yards. Open carry. 3 mags loaded with 5 rounds each. Target: 3x5 index card on the head, 8.5x11" piece of paper folded in half and positioned at the top edge of the USPSA A zone, another placed at bottom edge of target. with 5 rounds in the gun, draw and engage index card with 5 rounds, slide lock reload and engage the middle target area strong hand only, slide lock reload and engage the bottom target area weak hand only. Average Joes Challenge: Strong and Weak Feb results: @evnash Arex Delta M Gen 2 507K 18.51 2 miss @vanilla_gorilla Glock 45 w/ optic 19.17s @vanilla_gorilla Staccato w/ optic 14.06s @Gunnie357 G45/MPS 21.96s 1 miss @Henny G19 RMR 23.59s @03RN Springfield Loaded 19.97s @11boomboom Sig M18 with X300U 17.59s 3 miss |
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March 2023 Drill: The Conner Drill
Starting at the target (USPSA A-Zone), sprint to 50 yards, fire 5 rounds, sprint to 25 yards, fire 5 rounds, sprint to 7 yards, fire 5 rounds then reload and fire 5 more to the head A-zone. The load out is 15 rounds loaded in the gun and holster, 5 more rounds in a spare magazine. The standard was set by Connor with 80% hits, no misses, in under 35 seconds. Drawing from concealment Lets score via Hit Factory. total points divided by total time A Zone = 5 points C Zone = 3 point D Zone = 1 point The Connor Drill - Sprint to 50 Yards, 25, and 7 March results: @evnash M&P9 507K 1.92 Hit Factor @henny G19 rmr 2.04 hit factor. April drill: modified El Presidente Place 3 uspsa/idpa/IPSC targets 3 yards apart from each other. Shooter is standing 10 yards away from the middle. Upon signal, draw and fire 2 shots on each target, perform a slide lock reload, re engage each target with 2 more round strong hand only, perform a slide lock reload, re engage targets again with weak hand only. 18 total round, 90 points Please note in your results if concealed or open. Post hit factor which is total points divided by total time A Zone = 5 points C Zone = 3 point D Zone = 1 point April results: @evnash SA prodigy 4.25” with eps. Open 4.55 HF @vanilla_gorilla 3.8 HF May Drill: Dot Torture Print it off here if you didnt want to shoot 50 rounds you could cut the round count in half for each drill. round up. May Results: @evnash SA 4.25" Prodigy with EPS 46/50 @ 5 yrds @Detn8r-Red2 Shadow Systems MR920 44/50 @ 5 @Henny G48 45/50 @ 8 |
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It's been a while since I've done this one. I should be able to on Saturday. @Gunnie357 @Henny @Colt653 @doubleclaw @Finslayer83 @vanilla_gorilla @fooboy |
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I shoot the FAST drill as part of my regular drill cycle.
One of the skills I’m currently working to improve is my draw and 2 shots to a 3x5. I either run too fast snd drop one off the 3x5 or I am glacially slow putting my total time around 9 sec. |
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Quoted: August 2022 monthly drill: F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, & Speed Test) Range: 7 yards Target: 3×5 card (head), 8" circle or A zone of USPSA target (body) Start shooter facing downrange in relaxed stance with arms down at sides Rounds fired: 6 Shooter loads gun with a total of two rounds. On start signal, shooter draws and fires two rounds at the head target; performs a slidelock reload; and fires four rounds at the body target. View Quote 5 seconds par time? That's tough. |
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Tag. Figure the 4 in the a zone at 7 is quick and easy probably just over a second. Just need a clean draw to first shot.
I'll try it when I go get velocities on my rifle. Question, if pistol is owb in a covered holster ie SLS but mags are in open top is that run no handicap/penalty? |
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View Quote That gif and your username |
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So if I’m using a USPSA target is it just the head Alpha or the whole head?
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This is a great thread idea! What's arfcoms recommended shot timer?
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Last time I did it when I was in practice it was over 8 seconds for sure, might have even been over 9...the first two into the 3x5 at about 2 seconds was fine - it was the reload and then rushing to make that time back up where you pay
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Oh hell yes! I’ll try to get out tomorrow!
@currahee this may be of interest to you! |
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@Harv24
@igottadropaduce @11boomboom @7mm08 @Rugby3 @PA_minuteman @jjgrappler |
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Quoted: @Harv24 @igottadropaduce @11boomboom @7mm08 @Rugby3 @PA_minuteman @jjgrappler View Quote Thanks for the tag! I used to shoot this drill all the time. I'll give it a try next range trip, but school supplies shopping is taking over my range time this month. ETA: potato video of a potato video of me doing this 7 years ago with a shoot-me-first vest and no image of the target August 2, 2022 |
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Rusty, but 11 seconds. Missed the first headshot. Second headshot was technically a miss, but centered an inch low. Right in the teeth. In real life it would have been a hit. Can’t see sights without my reading glasses. I choked the reload; I simply wasn’t expecting it in my mind and it took me a second to remember what to do.
I’m somewhat embarrassed but I guess that’s the point of the thread. So I’m posting this in hopes that others won’t be embarrassed and will post up. That’s the path to improvement. Eta: ran drill with leather iwb holster and 1911 with leather off side mag pouch. Used usgi mags because they run my H&G reloads better than modern mags. |
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