User Panel
Quoted: What cracks me up about these new gargantuan grills: Most of the area behind the external grill is solid. The engine doesn't need that much opening for cooling.... the sole purpose of that big yawning gap is simply to look dumb. View Quote It isn't really solid. It is full of squishy bits (styrofoam mostly) to comply with pedestrian impact standards. The actual bumper is almost at the very, very bottom of that structure. The front ends of modern pickups look as derpy as they do to comply with probably 1/2 dozen government standards. Low bumper height so they don't override the bumpers of regular cars, deformable space in front of the core support and above the engine for pedestrian impact, front, side offset and narrow offset crash safety standards too. And don't forget CAFE. It is a miracle anybody can even offer a fullsize truck anymore. It is also why the V8s are all going bye bye (CAFE). Interestingly, they went back to 6 lug wheels. Brakes look to be the same. I wonder if this is a clean sheet design or an evolutionary one. 2nd gen to 3rd gen Tacomas were an evolutionary design, they both share the same basic architecture. Looks like no more normal back seat sized 4 doors with 6' bed. All gigantor cabs, if you want the 6' bed you have to opt for a truck that won't fit in most parking spaces or garages. Also: Ford and Ram making factory mid travel desert beaters with gobs of HP and wheel travel (for a box stock truck). Toyota (again) goes with the "moar badges and lightbars" for their answer (TRD Pro) to the Raptor and TRX. |
|
At least the aftermarket will make bank with a replacement front end....
|
|
Quoted: What cracks me up about these new gargantuan grills: Most of the area behind the external grill is solid. The engine doesn't need that much opening for cooling.... the sole purpose of that big yawning gap is simply to look dumb. View Quote It's actually to meet the latest pedestrian collision safety requirements. |
|
|
Quoted: I like my 20 Taco and see some cues from it in the Tundra, but that looks like crap. Will withhold final judgment until I see it in person. The newer Silverado looked like shit in the press pics, but in person it wasn't as bad. Still dont like it, but it isn't the worst thing. View Quote Yeah, it isnt the Worst thing Anymore. |
|
Quoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg View Quote That’s the gaudiest interior I’ve ever seen. They're marketing hard to the flat bill wearing bro truck douchebag demographic. |
|
What is up with Toyota's and Lexus's butt ass ugly grills? I know that has lost a few sales....
|
|
Quoted: Pretty much all makes are using the shutters to help get the engine up to operating Temps quicker. But here is another pic of best looking truck currently on the market: https://www.media.stellantis.com/cache/0/0/8/9/9/008996fcbd8bd3a1ae1a6689e372d8e781114cbb.jpeg View Quote Attached File |
|
|
Quoted: Ford has the least big, gaudiest front end. It is more refined and tastefully done, in my opinion of course. http://images.trucknsale.com/pictures/141034831.jpg View Quote Except the Raptor with a 4’ wide FORD Across the front. Ram Master Race |
|
Lets don't forget Nissan.
They started this hideously bloated front end trend. |
|
Quoted: Except the Raptor with a 4’ wide FORD Across the front. Ram Master Race View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ford has the least big, gaudiest front end. It is more refined and tastefully done, in my opinion of course. http://images.trucknsale.com/pictures/141034831.jpg Except the Raptor with a 4’ wide FORD Across the front. Ram Master Race ram is only shorter because its fewer letters |
|
|
Quoted: Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. My 21 Ram is all black inside |
|
It's like Toyota looked at GM's latest generation of ugly trucks with massive, bro impressing grills and said "Hold my beer and watch this.....".
While a lifelong GM truck fan, I would take a Ford over either of these any day of the week. |
|
Toyota consistently makes the ugliest vehicles known to man and it even applies to Lexus as well.
|
|
I want to see MPG figures. And I'm just don't believe twin turbos are as trouble free as naturally aspirated.
The 14" screen looks stupid sticking up above the dash. I don't hate the looks, but Ram looks better. Maybe it will grow on me. |
|
|
Quoted: Ram has the best front end currently, even in higher trim levels that have lots of chrome like this Laramie: https://di-uploads-pod13.dealerinspire.com/connorschryslerdodgejeepram/uploads/2020/10/2021-RAM-1500-Laramie.jpg View Quote You aren't wrong, and I thought the 5th gen Rams looked like shit when they came out. |
|
|
|
Quoted: Tremor is a HD Ford performance package. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So we have the raptor for Ford, tremor for doge... what's Toyota gonna do? The pterodactyl? In before the pterodactyl model at 100k+ Tremor is a HD Ford performance package. Tremor is also a performance package on a Ranger and a whole trim level on F150s. Nothing like correcting someone without all the right information. |
|
Quoted: Ram is the TRX (t-rex). Seeing this, the Toyota model would be the Mosasaurus Agree. Ford currently uses "active shutters" that close the top and bottom grills when at speed. I dont get it, because in a day where they fight for MPG, they make the front less aerodynamic and worse for airflow across the front View Quote Grille shutters improve aerodynamics by pushing air up over the truck instead of through the engine bay. Ram made a big hubbub about it when they added them in 2013. |
|
|
Quoted: It's still a huge block going down the road. It seems like if they were so worried about it, they would change the shape They look too close to the Rebels to me. I'm sure they are fun trucks but should have had a different grill to distinguish them from the other "RAM" blacked out grills. If it wasn't a Fiat product I probably would have traded in for one, but past experiences be what they be. View Quote Well the full name was "Rebel TRX" when it was a concept truck. |
|
I can feel and hear the cheep plastic dash as the buttons rock side to side in those pictures. LOL!!!!
Well at least you guys get a locker now, so I can't bitch about that anymore. Dang. Volts as a primary gauge. LOL Fuck your trans temp. |
|
Quoted: It isn't really solid. It is full of squishy bits (styrofoam mostly) to comply with pedestrian impact standards. The actual bumper is almost at the very, very bottom of that structure. The front ends of modern pickups look as derpy as they do to comply with probably 1/2 dozen government standards. Low bumper height so they don't override the bumpers of regular cars, deformable space in front of the core support and above the engine for pedestrian impact, front, side offset and narrow offset crash safety standards too. And don't forget CAFE. It is a miracle anybody can even offer a fullsize truck anymore. It is also why the V8s are all going bye bye (CAFE). Interestingly, they went back to 6 lug wheels. Brakes look to be the same. I wonder if this is a clean sheet design or an evolutionary one. 2nd gen to 3rd gen Tacomas were an evolutionary design, they both share the same basic architecture. Looks like no more normal back seat sized 4 doors with 6' bed. All gigantor cabs, if you want the 6' bed you have to opt for a truck that won't fit in most parking spaces or garages. Also: Ford and Ram making factory mid travel desert beaters with gobs of HP and wheel travel (for a box stock truck). Toyota (again) goes with the "moar badges and lightbars" for their answer (TRD Pro) to the Raptor and TRX. View Quote TRD Pro compares to the Rebel and Tremor. |
|
It is ok. Glad I got a 2020, though.
I don't like the screen or the exterior. |
|
|
Quoted: Looks like a Caricature of Chevy/Dodge/Ford. Absolutely terrible. I’m also pissed that they aren't even offering the normal 5.7 V8. View Quote The V8 going away was why I traded my '18 Tundra for a '21 Tundra. I thought I'd want to move to a CrewMax in the future and I was afraid I wouldn't like the next gen Tundra. I feel I made the right decision. |
|
Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif https://pictures.dealer.com/p/phillongdenverfordfd/0567/7e564d277d7c26d1c27d1ec936b2686ax.jpg View Quote Nicest looking truck in the repair bay... |
|
|
Japanese gonna Japanese an upgrade.
As a Tundra owner I’m underwhelmed. What better features they added are taken back by some really shitty ones. Meh…I’ll wait for prices to stabilize and recalls to play out. |
|
|
Quoted: What is up with Toyota's and Lexus's butt ass ugly grills? I know that has lost a few sales.... View Quote When I was shopping for a Crossover a couple of years ago, the butt-ugly front on current Lexus models was a big mark in the minus column for them. The previous generation looked a lot better. |
|
Quoted: That grill looks like it’s a cock-sucking piece of shit https://www.nraila.org/remote.axd?https://shared.nrapvf.org/sharedmedia/1511405/vhipmann.jpg?preset=article View Quote He's getting pegged by Shannon Watts in that pic. And liking it. |
|
Quoted: This shit instantly reminded me of those mid 90s-early 00s upholstery patterns. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2022-toyota-tundra-limited-trd-116-1631806487.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=480:*&keepGifs=1 https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2022-toyota-tundra-limited-104-1631885366.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=480:*&keepGifs=1 No SR5 interior pics? Also, can you get it 6 passenger and a column shifter? Serious. View Quote This is a huge factor for me. |
|
Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif https://pictures.dealer.com/p/phillongdenverfordfd/0567/7e564d277d7c26d1c27d1ec936b2686ax.jpg View Quote Ford is going the wrong way with Raptor design. First gen Raptors stood out. You saw one and you instantly knew from any angle and any distance, that's a fuckin Raptor. Gen 2 started dialing back on that. This third gen looks even less like a Raptor and more like a regular F150. But besides that, the 3rd gen Raptor is sort of disappointing. Myself and a few other guys dumped out Gen 2s because of the terrible reliability when driven hard- cam phasers, brittle fan blades breaking, and the fucking terrible leaking sunroof (no rigidity in the cab because the whole roof is glass, so any twisting or impact starts to cause issues with flex). And they fixed exactly none of that with the 3rd generation. It's a joke. |
|
Quoted: Ford is going the wrong way with Raptor design. First gen Raptors stood out. You saw one and you instantly knew from any angle and any distance, that's a fuckin Raptor. Gen 2 started dialing back on that. This third gen looks even less like a Raptor and more like a regular F150. But besides that, the 3rd gen Raptor is sort of disappointing. Myself and a few other guys dumped out Gen 2s because of the terrible reliability when driven hard- cam phasers, brittle fan blades breaking, and the fucking terrible leaking sunroof (no rigidity in the cab because the whole roof is glass, so any twisting or impact starts to cause issues with flex). And they fixed exactly none of that with the 3rd generation. It's a joke. View Quote Disagree. It's easy to tell the raptors apart. The grill, 3 leds, fender flares, different bumpers and skid plates, I personally think it's easy to tell them apart. Again just my honest opinion. But I am a big f150 fan and know what to look for I suppose. |
|
JFC why do car manufactures keep pushing the huge grill theme? That thing is hideous.
|
|
Quoted: Disagree. It's easy to tell the raptors apart. The grill, 3 leds, fender flares, different bumpers and skid plates, I personally think it's easy to tell them apart. Again just my honest opinion. But I am a big f150 fan and know what to look for I suppose. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ford is going the wrong way with Raptor design. First gen Raptors stood out. You saw one and you instantly knew from any angle and any distance, that's a fuckin Raptor. Gen 2 started dialing back on that. This third gen looks even less like a Raptor and more like a regular F150. But besides that, the 3rd gen Raptor is sort of disappointing. Myself and a few other guys dumped out Gen 2s because of the terrible reliability when driven hard- cam phasers, brittle fan blades breaking, and the fucking terrible leaking sunroof (no rigidity in the cab because the whole roof is glass, so any twisting or impact starts to cause issues with flex). And they fixed exactly none of that with the 3rd generation. It's a joke. Disagree. It's easy to tell the raptors apart. The grill, 3 leds, fender flares, different bumpers and skid plates, I personally think it's easy to tell them apart. Again just my honest opinion. But I am a big f150 fan and know what to look for I suppose. As a desert/offroad guy, I find the Raptors and TRXes easy to spot. Same with the TRD Pros, they look like logos and regret. |
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.