Posted: 9/14/2015 6:00:58 PM EDT
Why has nobody ever made accurate 37mm copies of the military 40mm versions?
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Quoted: Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... I think he's suggesting; for example - why didn't Spike's design their flare launcher to be a clone of the M203 instead of the one they did? I think a lot more would be interested in purchasing one if it actually looked like the M203 instead of hanging 3" lower under the barrel... |
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wouldn't a real receiver require a $200 NFA stamp and be more like $6000 Quoted:
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... wouldn't a real receiver require a $200 NFA stamp and be more like $6000 No. Receivers can be transferred as title one and cost just about what he said. Except I think the M79 ones are going for a bit more. You only need a stamp to put a 40mm barrel on, or to shoot people rounds out of the 37mm. |
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... It's not hard to tie up $3500-$5000 building a M79 and doing it right. The last receiver I saw sold went for $2300 iIIRC. Add in a complete usable parts kit and parkerizing and your about centered in that range, a really good barrel and wood might blow the $5000 away. |
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Quoted: No. Receivers can be transferred as title one and cost just about what he said. Except I think the M79 ones are going for a bit more. You only need a stamp to put a 40mm barrel on, or to shoot people rounds out of the 37mm. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... wouldn't a real receiver require a $200 NFA stamp and be more like $6000 No. Receivers can be transferred as title one and cost just about what he said. Except I think the M79 ones are going for a bit more. You only need a stamp to put a 40mm barrel on, or to shoot people rounds out of the 37mm. |
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wouldn't a real receiver require a $200 NFA stamp and be more like $6000 Quoted:
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... wouldn't a real receiver require a $200 NFA stamp and be more like $6000 the reciever itself transfers as a title I Weapon not NFA, There were a few folks, including Shivak that made sleeved 203 and 79 barrels. It doesnt become NFA unless you possess a 40mm Rifled Barrel for it (or if 37mm AP munitions) Just like a Mortar, the Cup is a Title 1 weapon..transfers on a 4473 with a NICS check, it doesnt become NFA until you also possess a Tube |
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I think he's suggesting; for example - why didn't Spike's design their flare launcher to be a clone of the M203 instead of the one they did? I think a lot more would be interested in purchasing one if it actually looked like the M203 instead of hanging 3" lower under the barrel... Quoted:
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... I think he's suggesting; for example - why didn't Spike's design their flare launcher to be a clone of the M203 instead of the one they did? I think a lot more would be interested in purchasing one if it actually looked like the M203 instead of hanging 3" lower under the barrel... The price would go up because of the extra machining involved |
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It's not hard to tie up $3500-$5000 building a M79 and doing it right. The last receiver I saw sold went for $2300 iIIRC. Add in a complete usable parts kit and parkerizing and your about centered in that range, a really good barrel and wood might blow the $5000 away. Quoted:
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... It's not hard to tie up $3500-$5000 building a M79 and doing it right. The last receiver I saw sold went for $2300 iIIRC. Add in a complete usable parts kit and parkerizing and your about centered in that range, a really good barrel and wood might blow the $5000 away. Havent been to Shivak's site in at least 5 years, so im not surprised the prices went up before he got out of the Biz |
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Interested to hear about this... Quoted:
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hasnt the ATF been cracking down on 37 mm ammo lately? does it even make sense to buy one of these anymore? Interested to hear about this... some good info about it here: LINK |
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Randy Shivak is selling the last M79 receivers he has right now......3500.00 each..... the type of folks who buy 37mm launchers can not / are not going to drop that kind of coin..... I really, really want one, but that's $6000ish to fire the first round. The wife would use it on me. |
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they do check out the ASA m79 Got a link? 4th down http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37mm-launchers.html |
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cobray also makes M203 replicas in 37mm
http://www.usmachinegun.com/products.php?cat=63 |
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None of those are M203 replicas. The mounting system is very different and the result is that they hang a good couple inches below where a real M203 would be under the barrel. |
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I don't know much on this subject, but as impractical as it might be, and ultimately completely useless, I've always wanted a clone of this: 
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/541m16m203e.jpg I've considered it... I've got an A1, but it's currently sporting A2 style hand-guards... 
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I've considered it... I've got an A1, but it's currently sporting A2 style hand-guards... Quoted:
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I don't know much on this subject, but as impractical as it might be, and ultimately completely useless, I've always wanted a clone of this:
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/541m16m203e.jpg I've considered it... I've got an A1, but it's currently sporting A2 style hand-guards... Tell anyone who asks it a clone of an Air Force M16 transitional model, lock eyes with them, assert your self through visual contact, dare them to prove otherwise. When the right parts show up you can tell them you got tired of explaining why it was so special and reconfigured it, making it a clone of an earlier weapon. |
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None of those are M203 replicas. The mounting system is very different and the result is that they hang a good couple inches below where a real M203 would be under the barrel. Quoted:
None of those are M203 replicas. The mounting system is very different and the result is that they hang a good couple inches below where a real M203 would be under the barrel. They also function very differently, external cooking handle, different safety |
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The B&Ds aren't real close to looking like a M79 either. They look like a cheap Chinese knockoff of a gun the designer only say when playing CoD The Bates and Dittus launchers are probably the best quality made of the modern launchers, but they aren't anything close to the "real" thing. |
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I think he's suggesting; for example - why didn't Spike's design their flare launcher to be a clone of the M203 instead of the one they did? I think a lot more would be interested in purchasing one if it actually looked like the M203 instead of hanging 3" lower under the barrel... Quoted:
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Honest answer?? Because very few people want to pay $1300 for a Real M-203 Receiver to shoot 37mm, or IIRC $1700 for an M-79 Receiver for the same... I think he's suggesting; for example - why didn't Spike's design their flare launcher to be a clone of the M203 instead of the one they did? I think a lot more would be interested in purchasing one if it actually looked like the M203 instead of hanging 3" lower under the barrel... Yes, this! Design it like that from the start. And since you don't have to deal with the pressures generated by LEO/Mil rounds, you could use less expensive aluminum vice steel. The faux M203 I have now actually seems more complicated than the real thing with the cocking lever and the M-16-style safety switch. |
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? |
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Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Why not? |
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Why not? What he does is put a complete firearm into an airsoft shell, not turn airsoft into the real thing. "Replace some parts" and use airsoft receiver and it'll likely come apart, and maybe take your hands with it. |
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What he does is put a complete firearm into an airsoft shell, not turn airsoft into the real thing. "Replace some parts" and use airsoft receiver and it'll likely come apart, and maybe take your hands with it. Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Why not? What he does is put a complete firearm into an airsoft shell, not turn airsoft into the real thing. "Replace some parts" and use airsoft receiver and it'll likely come apart, and maybe take your hands with it. That and the "firing pin" and trigger assembly on the airsoft models essentially push a button on the back of the airsoft shell VS. strike a primer. You'd pretty much have to replace every single part with a custom machined part. At which point just machine the whole thing yourself. |
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. That sounds awesome, link to one of these Airsoft conversions? |
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That sounds awesome, link to one of these Airsoft conversions? Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. That sounds awesome, link to one of these Airsoft conversions? How have you missed these? That dude inserted his pics into every fucking picture thread until people got pissed. Imagine an Airsoft M249 SAW with a Marlin Model 60 in it. 
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That and the "firing pin" and trigger assembly on the airsoft models essentially push a button on the back of the airsoft shell VS. strike a primer. You'd pretty much have to replace every single part with a custom machined part. At which point just machine the whole thing yourself. Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Why not? What he does is put a complete firearm into an airsoft shell, not turn airsoft into the real thing. "Replace some parts" and use airsoft receiver and it'll likely come apart, and maybe take your hands with it. That and the "firing pin" and trigger assembly on the airsoft models essentially push a button on the back of the airsoft shell VS. strike a primer. You'd pretty much have to replace every single part with a custom machined part. At which point just machine the whole thing yourself. Good info to know, thanks! |
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How have you missed these? That dude inserted his pics into every fucking picture thread until people got pissed. Imagine an Airsoft M249 SAW with a Marlin Model 60 in it. Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. That sounds awesome, link to one of these Airsoft conversions? How have you missed these? That dude inserted his pics into every fucking picture thread until people got pissed. Imagine an Airsoft M249 SAW with a Marlin Model 60 in it. New guy.......that peaked in 12 didn't it???????? |
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That and the "firing pin" and trigger assembly on the airsoft models essentially push a button on the back of the airsoft shell VS. strike a primer. You'd pretty much have to replace every single part with a custom machined part. At which point just machine the whole thing yourself. Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, probably not? Why not? What he does is put a complete firearm into an airsoft shell, not turn airsoft into the real thing. "Replace some parts" and use airsoft receiver and it'll likely come apart, and maybe take your hands with it. That and the "firing pin" and trigger assembly on the airsoft models essentially push a button on the back of the airsoft shell VS. strike a primer. You'd pretty much have to replace every single part with a custom machined part. At which point just machine the whole thing yourself. I had one, but my bag got stolen out of my truck before I could test the fit of a real 203 barrel. That said, there are some INTERESTING airsoft 40 mm rounds out there now from a Russian company....they get spendy very fast tho |
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New guy.......that peaked in 12 didn't it???????? Quoted:
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Another question, what about the airsoft versions? Can I take an airsoft M203 and replace some parts to make a functioning 37mm launcher? I'm thinking about our fellow arfcommer who turns airsoft guns into .22 shooting copies. That sounds awesome, link to one of these Airsoft conversions? How have you missed these? That dude inserted his pics into every fucking picture thread until people got pissed. Imagine an Airsoft M249 SAW with a Marlin Model 60 in it. New guy.......that peaked in 12 didn't it???????? He's using real parts kits as body shells now. |
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I would love to own an M79, even a non-working one. If you just want a relatively inexpensive replica, these airsoft ones are incredible! I had a buddy who had the M203 and it had a rifled 40mm diameter barrel with lands and grooves, military markings, was constructed of steel and plastic, and felt like the real thing in every way possible. I was amazed! |
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I purchased this one: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/King_Arms_Colt_M203_Airsoft_Grenade_Launcher_Military_Version_Long_Barrel/5580 Just to put on one of my 20" AR's for some pictures. Actually, I was *very* impressed with it. Licensed Colt trademarks, unique serial number, made out of metal, attaches very well. I got it on a closeout from another retailer for about $50 shipped. It was definitely worth that for some pics. |
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If you just want a relatively inexpensive replica, these airsoft ones are incredible! I had a buddy who had the M203 and it had a threaded 40mm diameter barrel with regular lands and grooves, military markings, was constructed of steel and plastic, and felt like the real thing in every way possible. I was amazed! Quoted:
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I would love to own an M79, even a non-working one. If you just want a relatively inexpensive replica, these airsoft ones are incredible! I had a buddy who had the M203 and it had a threaded 40mm diameter barrel with regular lands and grooves, military markings, was constructed of steel and plastic, and felt like the real thing in every way possible. I was amazed! Mine was pretty spot-on...the only "Airsoft-feel" thing was the extendable section of the collapsible stock, when it was out it didn't lock well. |