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1/20/2013 9:24:09 AM EDT
This will not be good for us.  Anti's will love to use this.

http://defcad.org/sound-moderator-mk2/

1/20/2013 9:24:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Better have an approved F1.
1/20/2013 9:27:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Someone out there is gonna fuck it up for those who wish to do this kind of thing lawfully.
1/20/2013 9:27:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Interesting, but it sure wouldn't last long.
 
1/20/2013 9:28:04 AM EDT
[#4]
I can't see that lasting one round. Not, one.
1/20/2013 9:28:44 AM EDT
[#5]
for an airgun or paintball gun...
1/20/2013 9:28:48 AM EDT
[#6]
the attachment system seems lacking. One shot and it's going downrange.
1/20/2013 9:29:05 AM EDT
[#7]
I could see some interesting results once that thing warms up
1/20/2013 9:29:18 AM EDT
[#8]
so what?
you can build one with a lathe and CNC too
1/20/2013 9:29:34 AM EDT
[#9]
if you try that I hope you like digging plastic out of your face
1/20/2013 9:30:13 AM EDT
[#10]
says it's for air rifles
1/20/2013 9:30:18 AM EDT
[#11]
Isnt this like the lead dust collectors offered on a few off the shelf pellet/bb guns?  Basically any firearm would destroy it if its shot through and its permanently attached (these would have to be I assume and its not on a firearm so its ok.

So lead dust collector = ok on a pellet rifle
Better have a form 1 in hand for any type of gun
1/20/2013 9:31:12 AM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:


Interesting, but it sure wouldn't last long.  


Like 1 shot...  



If that thing was able to decrease the sound by 1db as it exploded I would be surprised.



 
1/20/2013 9:32:30 AM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


for an airgun or paintball gun...


About what I was thinking.



Can't really fuck it up for anyone else even if they don't have a F1. No different than someone with a mill, lathe, and/or welder...



 
1/20/2013 9:32:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Wonder if that guy has a dog...
1/20/2013 9:34:34 AM EDT
[#15]
It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  

The legality of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.
1/20/2013 9:37:11 AM EDT
[#16]
Oil filter is better

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/04/24/econo-can-a-55-suppressor/
1/20/2013 9:41:06 AM EDT
[#17]



Quoted:


I can't see that lasting one round. Not, one.






 
1/20/2013 9:42:36 AM EDT
[#18]
I like this site better.  All the cad files you want for every thing.


http://grabcad.com/library?per_page=20&query=suppressor
1/20/2013 9:43:15 AM EDT
[#19]


Hotlink fail...
1/20/2013 9:46:05 AM EDT
[#20]
that's a serious injury waiting to happen
1/20/2013 9:46:29 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  

The legality of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.


That dude better hide his dogs and delete that posting.  

I wouldn't want to have that in my possession while stopped by any LEO, Federal or not.  That quite simply is a one way ticket to see Bubba in cell block 5.
1/20/2013 9:53:04 AM EDT
[#22]



Quoted:


It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  



The legality money and time of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.


Fixed.





 
1/20/2013 9:57:39 AM EDT
[#23]
The fact that you have to have a Form filled out and pay a stamp is already fucked up as is, you can't fuck it up worse.  Why live happily with an infringed upon right and then just say, "well...this is good enough, we'll just keep it here".  

Never gonna gain ground when all you do is cower and bend.
1/20/2013 10:53:55 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
I can't see that lasting one round. Not, one.


Depends on the context of the person who makes it. It might only need to last one round.....


If that's mounted on a .22LR I can totally see it lasting long enough to be useful and then be completely destroyed for evidence purposes by burning/melting it.
1/20/2013 11:01:20 AM EDT
[#25]
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

1/20/2013 11:07:49 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


SO SICK
1/20/2013 11:13:17 AM EDT
[#27]
That is an FDM part made from nylon.  It looks like shit, not a professional job at all.  It won’t hold up long.  

You’d have to DMLS a part out of SS or Inconel – which would be crazy expensive.

Then there is the whole 10 yrs in PITA camp…

1/20/2013 11:13:42 AM EDT
[#28]
want!
1/20/2013 11:17:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


now I understand why Sig did that . I was unaware of the suppressor kit.

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1/20/2013 11:20:47 AM EDT
[#30]







Quoted:




You guys see the SIG MPX-C?
This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q




You're positive the "suppressor kit" doesn't come with either a Form-4 or Form-1?
ETA - just watched the vid. You "buy the suppressor" so I'm guessing it will be a $50 tube & nut with a $200 stamp.







Either way, I might be up for one... must look at it further.

ETA - yeah... need to find pricing on this.

 
1/20/2013 11:22:38 AM EDT
[#31]
That is for paintball guns.
1/20/2013 11:23:09 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:

Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q

You're positive the "suppressor kit" doesn't come with either a Form-4 or Form-1?  

Either way, I might be up for one... must look at it further.


It would by definition have to.
1/20/2013 11:25:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


OK, now that's pretty fuckin' cool...
1/20/2013 11:27:23 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


Is it "not a suppressor" like a string is a machine gun?

If a string isn't a machine gun, is it now a suppressor?
1/20/2013 11:27:40 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


now I understand why Sig did that . I was unaware of the suppressor kit.

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That's awesome, I'm also surprised that the ATF allowed it.
1/20/2013 11:30:56 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
I can't see that lasting one round. Not, one.


What about for .22lr?
1/20/2013 11:31:40 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


now I understand why Sig did that . I was unaware of the suppressor kit.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


That's awesome, I'm also surprised that the ATF allowed it.


Why?  It's simply a muzzle brake as is.  It doesn't suppress anything at all.
1/20/2013 11:44:50 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys see the SIG MPX-C?

This thing has a 6" barrel with a 9.5" baffle stack they are calling a muzzle break that is permanently attached. The gun transfers as a standard rifle, and they offer a 'suppressor kit' that is comprised of a tube and a retaining nut that converts it into a full blown integral suppressor. How this is ATF kosher is beyond me... but I'll take it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_aqUDb62Q


now I understand why Sig did that . I was unaware of the suppressor kit.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


That's awesome, I'm also surprised that the ATF allowed it.


Why?  It's simply a muzzle brake as is.  It doesn't suppress anything at all.


Pretty sure they have some ruling that effectively makes possessing "suppressor parts" the same as possessing a suppressor. Since that "brake" is without a doubt a suppressor core, it makes for murky legal waters.
1/20/2013 11:50:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  

The legality of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.


That dude better hide his dogs and delete that posting.  

I wouldn't want to have that in my possession while stopped by any LEO, Federal or not.  That quite simply is a one way ticket to see Bubba in cell block 5.


You do know that people in other countries have 3d printers, broadband internet and suppressors are considered a common, unregulated, over the counter accessory right?
1/20/2013 11:50:16 AM EDT
[#40]
I guess all plastic bottles are going to be Form 4 sign offs.
1/20/2013 11:55:28 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
want!


Motherfuckin this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much want..... The Sig, not the homemade can.
That sucker will be my first stamp when I move to a free state.
(Shameless Sig fanboy)
1/20/2013 11:56:01 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  

The legality of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.


That dude better hide his dogs and delete that posting.  

I wouldn't want to have that in my possession while stopped by any LEO, Federal or not.  That quite simply is a one way ticket to see Bubba in cell block 5.


You do know that people in other countries have 3d printers, broadband internet and suppressors are considered a common, unregulated, over the counter accessory right?


One thing this should illustrate is how cheaply a suppressor could be made if one didn't have to worry about the desire for longevity.

I imagine cheap baffles could be produced and shipped one way for less than the two way shipping of the suppressor that is currently required.
1/20/2013 12:04:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's cool to explore what can be made, but that's kinds stupid, when you consider that tubes of all sizes are easily purchased in PVC, steel and aluminum.  

The legality of the project is the only thing holding anybody back.


That dude better hide his dogs and delete that posting.  

I wouldn't want to have that in my possession while stopped by any LEO, Federal or not.  That quite simply is a one way ticket to see Bubba in cell block 5.


You do know that people in other countries have 3d printers, broadband internet and suppressors are considered a common, unregulated, over the counter accessory right?


One thing this should illustrate is how cheaply a suppressor could be made if one didn't have to worry about the desire for longevity.

I imagine cheap baffles could be produced and shipped one way for less than the two way shipping of the suppressor that is currently required.


Disclaimer: I have never seen one in person.
Doesn't look like there is a whole lot to building a can. Couple of dimpled washers with the right size hole in the middle, a rack to hold them and a tube to put em in and attach to your weapon.
Or a tube with holes drilled in it, surrounded by packing (glass cloth), fitted into a larger tube.
Know a little bit about how car mufflers work, same principals seem to apply (unless I am missing something).

For sure, the oil filter adapter would be a cakewalk to make.

1/20/2013 12:11:28 PM EDT
[#44]
The guys behind Defense Distributed have a select fire rifle, which tells me that they either have the cash, or they have an SOT.

I'm sure that they are on the legal.
1/20/2013 12:12:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
so what?
you can build one with a lathe and CNC too


And the ones built out of metal will actually work too!

But what is left of the left's collective-brains (heh heh heh) would melt if this was ever used in any crime ever.
1/20/2013 12:14:30 PM EDT
[#46]
That is for an airgun or paintball gun.

I doubt a 3d printed suppressor will ever work on a real firearm.
1/20/2013 12:16:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Someone out there is gonna fuck it up for those who wish to do this kind of thing lawfully.


What happened to unconstitutional laws aren't laws.
1/20/2013 12:20:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
I can't see that lasting one round. Not, one.


This.  The only people that will think this is "scary" are the ones that think loaded rounds and fully assembled rifles can be 3D printed.
1/20/2013 12:26:43 PM EDT
[#49]
I've seen pictures of printed stuff that looked way better than that. Was that printed on a cheapo printer or what? It looks like they made it with a hot glue gun
1/20/2013 4:41:29 PM EDT
[#50]
This will not be good for us. Anti's will love to use this.


Please note that this part was designed and 3D printed by a New Zealander for use on airguns:  http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23947

As he notes:  "It's OK here in New Zealand, but then we're allowed to make moonshine and grow our own tobacco."
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