600 (Yes, six hundred not a typo) days ago Historic Arms LLC sent a submission sample along with a letter with some very basic regulatory questions.

600 days....There are 600 days from October 31, 2018 to June 22, 2020

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If they can refuse to answer such simple enquiries by a licensee (That they are mandated to help regulate by stature) let alone ones made by John Q. Public, You know it's about them wanting a "gotcha" moment, not about regulatory compliance!

My point is simple.  The game is rigged.  They are unable to answer basic questions or unwilling.

So in honor of this 600 days of ATF telling me to fuck off and now wanting to play games with braces....Well I had to make a small run of these:

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Oh and they use informants during civil cases to get the trial strategy of the citizen...NO really:

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Mr. Savage you are the man and it’s sad that you and us have to put up with such bullshit.
I hope they stop playing fuck fuck games with you.

And fuck the ATF

If we used the Liberal Logic(Yeah I know that Liberals don't have logic), we would have to do away with the NFA because it's old and not part of the Living Constitution.

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A government agency doing something underhanded to crush a mere citizen? The devil you say.

I would have gone with an 11.5 inch barrel on those.

Better reliability and doesn't a little extra length mean that it's technically a firearm and can have a vfg mounted?

Dang man. I can't believe it, but I hate them more.

I hope this is resolved soon for you.

I hold ATF in lower regard than IRS.

Never been done before.

this is very disappointing, but not at all a shocker.

This.

The point is document the ATF and the Department of Just-Us complete and utter loss of legitimacy and failure to follow even the most basic requirements of the APA.

They are "Auto-De-legitimizing" themselves.  I figure that is worth recording for posterity.

What he said.

I'm an anarcho capitalist.

But I understand that government's offer certain things that the free market probably can't.

That's what's so amazing about the current situation. Those services, particularly military defense but other things as well are being dismembered piece by piece.

There's really nothing I can say about the legitimacy of government or the lack therov that our government isn't doing to itself. They keep making more and more arbitrary rules and enforcing those arbitrary rules while allowing actual criminals to walk free.

Quite Literally in this post Covid 19 world.

And in case I haven't said it before. Thank you for everything you've done to point out how arbitrary these thugs are.

You make a good point my friend.  In fact it is spot on.  I have been hearing rumors that ATF has moved or threatened people of very issues I inquired about.

ATF intentionally stalls giving any regulatory guidance for years and then moves to prosecute the "crime" that ATF created by their inaction.  That they have done such an act would be nothing less that a form of "entrapment by estoppel".  Meaning the public at large and the industry relied on ATF to notify us if there is an issue.  They sure as hell can't claim they were not aware of it now can they????
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If the Dept. of Just Us and ATF did charge a person and then failed to disclose any of the documents I posted here then such actions would be a violation of US v. Brady which mandates that the prosecution must turn over all evidence that might exonerate the defendant (exculpatory evidence) to the defense.

If they failed to do so...Most likely they could not prosecute and US Attorney involved will tell the judge ATF did it not him in hopes of not be disbarred (withholding evidence is unlawful).  Meaning the case would be dismissed.  

Imagine trying to convince a jury that the defendant is violating the law and inflicting harm on society and then have to explain why it was such a non issue they never bothered respond for over 600 days???  

ATF has folks assigned to monitor this board.  

They bring up Arfcom all the time in court  in ATF prosecutions.  

Imagine having a jury read this thread (count on it being entered into evidence at some point) and with a straight face....

Under the law ATF has to hand it over along with the documents to any such defendant.

According to this article prosecution may have already occurred