[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 60 Minutes: MS13 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/4/2005 3:50:19 PM EDT
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Shove em out of C 130's or drop em from B 52's. Either way....."Dumb Bombs". Drop em on fox's residence. Or.....Impale them along the border, as a sort of fence. Look up Vlad and Impale. Impaling: proven both safe and effective, except to the "guest of honor" and then only the 'safe' part. One impaled illegeal-alien every hundred feet along the length of the border would discourage 'happy feet imigration'. Ole! |
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The only problem with cutting off the border and sending those illegals home is... who's going to Harvest our apples, grapes, tomatos, onions and oranges? who's going to wash dishes at all the resturants who's going to make the hotel beds .... pour all the concrete roads ... build your houses, ... mow your lawns. ... clean the toilets at walmart ... lay down sod and do back breaking landscape work ... do all the odd hard labor jobs in construction In case you are not aware of it - THEY are HERE in Force. Take them away and lets see what we are going pay for a Apple, for a new house, etc. Just observations, I'm not taking one side or the other (today) Edited to Add: Yes, there are bad ones. But I see PLENTY of hardworking Mexicans EVERYDAY. I doubt many of them are legal. Screw it, I'm going to take a side. The boarder needs to be dramatically tightened. Those that are here need to be given status or ejected. Either we entitle them to Pay social security taxes AND receive benefits like schools for their kids OR we kick them out and put OUR kids to work picking the Apples and Grapes and cleaning the toliets of Walmart. Right now it's a one way street - cheap illegal labor in return for the freedom to live in fear of being deported the moment they step out of line. They are a hardworking people. Make them legal or kick them out. We are Americans, we play fair. If our society NEEDS them, lets treat them right. If we don't need or want them, let's humanely get them out of the country. Is that fair? |
The SAME people who detassle corn for less than minimum wage...AMERICANS. Stop this bullshit lie. When I was young and needed a job I did virtually everything on your list and more and so did most of my friends. WE DO NOT NEED ILLEGALS FOR ANYTHING. |
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Here's a fookin' idea. Make all the lazy fux/drug dealer's/baby's daddys on welfare do those jobs. Two of them if one won't make ends meet......it's a win/win!!!!!! |
That's easy! all the unemployed americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing, woot! life sucks unless your a soulless corporate executive haha |
Someone pointed out a fat latino guy who was showing off. Apparently he was spending someone else's money. While his MS-13 gang member cousin was in jail, he was spending his dough on hookers and blow.  Poetic justice, eh? I can't wait till the cousin gets word about this and/or gets out of jail. Mu ha ha ha ha!
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Fine my friend. Please be at my house Tuesday morning to clean my toilets. I'll will pay you minimum wage, it's contract work so don't ask for benefits. Thanks. |
I dont know how old you are but, those jobs were done once BEFORE the mex. was here and who do you think did them ? we did, American kids. if you think like this you are just plain ignorant.. UNfucken believable...like those jobs never got done before the invasion  Hell I did half those jobs myself growing up |
ahhh, been to New Orleans lately? Who's doing all the construction there? Unemployed folks of New Orleans???? Nope. Thez gots FEMA money and a nice hotel roomz till da money is gone. MEXICANS are doing the clean up. Guess all those AMERICAN WITHOUT JOBS don't WANT to work. |
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who's going to Harvest our apples, grapes, tomatos, onions and oranges? who's going to wash dishes at all the resturants who's going to make the hotel beds .... pour all the concrete roads ... build your houses, ... mow your lawns. ... clean the toilets at walmart ... lay down sod and do back breaking landscape work ... do all the odd hard labor jobs in construction Like we did in the past, our high school graduates are being educated to actually become self-supporting workers in the trades. That means hard work. There is no right to a cushy job spelled out in the Constitution. If a Mexican is willing to live in his car while picking fruit for a living, I don't see why we can't expect the same from our own young people, who have been carried by the system for over a decade. There is supposed to be a payoff for society from the free education. |
Maybe people who won't clean their own toilets are part of the problem. |
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No doubt. Students, people with few skills, current welfare cases, people born too dumb to do anything else, no lack of labor. I used to work construction, used to be a decent line of work, no money in it anymore because the illegals will work for nothing. Hasn't made the houses cheaper. Immigrant labor cuts the safety net any american with a strong back should have under him, too many Americans find themselves unemployable if the factory closes down or technology makes their profession obsolete. No way to make a living wage at unskilled labor because there's an unlimited supply available, off the books. The middle class shrinks, and there's nothing underneath it. I'll spend what it costs to have American HS kids pick apples, or grow my own, thanks. |
Funny, every one of the jobs you listed seems to be done by non-mexicans up here in the northern states.
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Plus +1. WELL SAID, I totally Agree with that. Now before I'm flamed for being on both sides of the issue here's some more shet to piss everyone off.... Our unemployment nationally is at 5%. For PRACTICAL purposes, those unemployed don't WANT the low paying jobs being done by the Illegals. I TOTALLY AGREE that if we kicked them out we will need to pay AMERICAN'S more to do the dirty work. That means a higher standard of living for the lower classes and a LOWER standard (shit will cost more) for the middle class. The middle class isnt' willing to sacrifice. Go to WALMART. Everything is from china because it's cheaper and people LOVE that. We are our own worse enemy. Oh and for the record, my kids mow the lawn and my lovely wife does the toilets, while I waste my time on ARFCOM! Shame on me. |
Coming soon to the entire country, unless we build a wall and evict the illegals  Gang's number growing DEE DIXON The Enterprise 12/04/2005 www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15689970&BRD=2287&PAG=461&dept_id=512588&rfi=6 PORT ARTHUR -- MS-13, a predominantly Hispanic gang, is gaining nationwide notoriety for its crimes and violence. And in Port Arthur -- where almost one-fifth of the population is Hispanic -- police have taken notice. "Hispanic gangs, overwhelmingly, are a growing problem," said Sgt. Terry Chance of the Port Arthur Police Department. "In the beginning, they used baseball bats, clubs and knives, but they've stepped up." Although MS-13 members here don't spill blood like their counterparts do in Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and Houston, where victims might meet the business end of a machete, the locals are becoming more violent, police said. And more organized. For now, Southeast Texas' economy won't let MS-13's criminal enterprises flourish. The communities are too small and too slow for the high-traffic prostitution rings, drug trafficking, alien smuggling, extortion, contract killing and strong-arm robbery, one Texas gang expert says. While it is hard to pinpoint the exact income of the gangs, stolen cars have been identified as a profitable endeavor for MS-13, according to the National Alliance of Gang Investigators Association's (NAGIA) Web Site (www.nagia.org/mara_salvatrucha.htm). The site says about 80 percent of the cars driven in El Salvador have been stolen from the United States. However, Southeast Texas' MS-13 gangsters mainly have laid low or hung out with family, experts say. But MS-13 members are exhibiting a frightening trend, particularly in the past few months, according to Port Arthur police Officer Marcelo Molfino, who keeps tabs on that booming population. On July 16, bullets riddled a home in the 4600 block of Fifth Street, with one slug narrowly missing resident Irene Costanzo, 71. Gang members spray-painted their "tag" -- their gang symbol -- on a nearby gas station. Homeowner Johnny Costanzo said gang members were looking for his grandson, with whom they've feuded for several years over trivial matters. Costanzo, 58, said even before the shooting, gang members had threatened him with knives and guns. He accused the city of ignoring the problem. "My problem is the gang problem that the (city) council is denying," said Costanzo, who would like to see police launch a task force to address the issue. Irene Costanzo said she lives in fear. "I feel it in my heart that they are going to shoot up our house again," she said. "It's terrible. We were so used to sitting outside for a picnic. But I'd rather not see them than to be worried." Gang roots Refugees from El Salvador's bloody 12-year civil war started MS-13 in California in the early 1980s, according to the gang investigators' group. After El Salvador's violent La Mara street gang arrived, its members merged with Salvatrucha guerrillas who were adept with explosives, firearms and booby traps, the Web site said. Together, they formed the violent Mara Salvatrucha -- the M and S. The number 13 represents the 13th letter of the alphabet -- M for Mexico or Mexican Mafia. Gang members, unafraid to attack cops, have killed three federal agents, according to the investigators' Web site. Even more startling, MS-13 reportedly has connections to al-Qaida, according to information on the Web site of U.S. Rep. Solomon Ortiz, D-Corpus Christi. Central American police have said al-Qaida was trying to recruit MS-13 gang members to smuggle large sums of money into the country, Ortiz testified in March before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security. Customs agents say there are no confirmed connections between al-Qaida and MS-13. Although alert border patrol agents can spot gang members by their tattoos, Ortiz spokeswoman Cathy Travis said gang members still slip into the country because of a lack of border detention centers. In an effort to dismantle MS-13, the Bureau of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement launched Operation Community Shield last March. Since then, the agency reports more than 1,500 arrests, about a dozen of them in San Antonio and Houston. Among them were many MS-13 gang members who'd been deported but managed to return. One was Herberth "Perro" Escobar-Leiva, one of the highest-ranking MS-13 members. Arrested in Boston last September, he'd originally been deported in 2002. His criminal record includes 20 arraignments on burglary, larceny and property destruction charges, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Web site. What makes MS-13 a dangerous gang is its flexibility. It's a global organization with a highly transient membership, says Gene Lowery, a Customs agent in Houston. Although not considered as violent as the Bloods and Crips were in their heyday, if MS-13 is left unchecked it could become even more violent, Lowery said. Officials estimate there are 8,000 to 10,000 MS-13 gang members living in 33 states, according to a September report from the Congressional Research Service. In Los Angeles alone, there were about 15,000 Crips and Bloods gang members in 1980, according to the California Gang Investigator's Association Web site. Gang members in Texas have learned from organizations in larger cities. "If it heats up in Houston, they go to L.A.," Lowery said. "If it heats up in L.A., they go to New York or they go back to their foreign country." The gang's "corporate" structure is military-like. "You have individuals who are the troops and the others who are the leaders and officers of the gang," said Sgt. David Davis, a Harris County Sheriff's deputy and the Texas Gang Investigators Association East Region director. But unlike the military, MS-13 has no commander-in-chief calling the shots from El Salvador or in the United States. "MS-13 has cliques all over the United States in most coastal cities from L.A. around the Mexican border, Houston, Miami and up the Eastern seaboard," Lowery said. Occasionally, a high-ranking lieutenant will move from one territory to another, where he will receive a monthly stipend, women, a place to stay and respect from the local gang, Lowery said. |
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I don't give a fuck what the "price of apples" is, and neither does anyone else I've ever known. I DO give a giant, humongous fuck what is happening to the American health care system, penal system, education system, etc., because of third world invaders. No offense, but how old are you? Fifteen? Sixteen? How the hell do you think houses got built before the invasion? It's not been but a few years ago that construction jobs were held by Americans. As well as shitcan cleaning, farming, cooking, janitorial services, etc. Utter bullshit. "Everything will get more expensive." Utter, complete, horse shit. Even if it was true, I'd gladly pay higher taxes, prices, whatever it took to send the invaders back where they came from. Oh, and I would venture to guess you've not contracted tuberculosis recently, have you? No? Give it a little while. 
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| I agree that most Mexicans are just hard working people looking for a decent life. My question is, how does the "benefit" of cheap labor compare to the cost of supporting illegals with social programs such as welfare, workers compensation, medical care and schooling. Also factor in the cost of thousands of unlicensed, uninsured drivers. |
Factor in the unlicensed drivers KILLING American Citizens, the Child kidnappings, the Cop Killings, the gang rapes, it goes on and on and on and on and on............. |
Schools for their kids - good. If they contribute to society by working for sub-standard wages what should we do with their children. Put chains on them and see if they can sweep streets while mama is working? So... either make them legal and let them pay taxes AND receive benefits. or... dramatically raise the minimum wage and so that the 5% of unemployed Americans will take those hard jobs. Right now the REPUBLICANS want to keep the boarders open for CHEAP labor. The DEMOCRATES want to keep the boarders open for FUTURE WELFARE VOTES. |
Yes, you are so right. Just like guys with Assault rifles, blood in the street everywhere! So tell me, please print out a list of all those dead americans? OK? Also a list of Mexcan's killing cops. Thanks in advance. Oh oh, forgot something. Turn in you Assault Rife - factor all the KILLINGS of AMERICANS and COPS by gangs running wild with them. Thanks 
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You are a noob I have already posted about all of that Its not a theory, it is history eta: here is ONE of the websites dedicated to exposing the costs of an open border www.alipac.us/article710.html |
You'll learn to clean your own toilet. You can do it. An apple and a head of lettuce will cost a few cents more. But taxes will be lower 'cause we won't be paying for so many freeloaders. I know many Mexican and Latin families. More of them are on welfare than are picking food or working at some alleged "substandard" job. The problem is they quickly graduate to welfare or some easier way after picking for a short time. Or too many don't pick at all. |
the original topic of this thread was about illeagals doing extactly that, no?
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If you found me when I needed money that bad I would have. Currently I clean my OWN toilets. Why don't you do the same thing. |
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Factor in the unlicensed drivers KILLING American Citizens, the Child kidnappings, the Cop Killings, the gang rapes, it goes on and on and on and on and on............. Yes, you are so right. Just like guys with Assault rifles, blood in the street everywhere! So tell me, please print out a list of all those dead americans? OK? Also a list of Mexcan's killing cops. Thanks in advance. Oh oh, forgot something. Turn in you Assault Rife - factor all the KILLINGS of AMERICANS and COPS by gangs running wild with them. Thanks Dont get so defensive. I happen to be in a business that allows me to see the great numbers of uninsured Mexican drivers. They are not the only ones doing it for sure, but we are discusing the real costs that ILLEGALs are causing. Are cheap apples worth the increased costs in other areas? There are LEGAL avenues to become an American. And I blame BOTH of the political parties for the reasons mentioned above. . |
They have now admitted it, they are just not planning on doing anything about it www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=415010 |
It happens all the time here.  I live in a largely rural area of a lot of agriculture are there are a LOT of Mexicans. Almost every week at one or more person dies at the hands of an illegal. Usually it's brown on brown, but the carnage is not selective. The trial of Jose Castillo for the brutal, cold blooded, Mexican gang initiation, killling of the popular small town football coach Bob Mars just finished up www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/state/story/7228457p-7140424c.html. Nicolas Solorio Vasquez (Mexican ilegal) shot to death Washington State Patrol Trooper James E. Saunders for just stopping him. Vasquez was deported several times. www.tri-cityherald.com/news/1999/1012.html Many deaths (including whole families) are due to Mexican drunk drivers. www.vdare.com/walker/dui.htm Like the drunk Mexican that hit and killed the poor lady who was just exiting from her church lot with her kids here a couple of years ago. The Mexican was caught trying to flee to his undeserved freedom in Mexico. Most Meican caused deaths are due to drunk drivers, cases of which are all too frequent. A deliberately cruel killer who stabbed his victim 61 times, Jose Medrano of Pasco murdered Laurie J. Harm, 16 in my town here. A sherrif was shot in the chest during a routine stop a year ago. Etc. etc. This type of crime was unheard of here before the mall, the welfare office and the state unemployment office were taken over by Mexicans. It isn't something that the news media tracks. They rarely even mention that the crimal is a "Mexican National" or illegals but the steady flow of Mexican surnames perpetrating crimes around here is inescapable and in this small town the truth gets around. |
The first time I ever saw a white housekeeper in a hotel was in MT. The whole crew were white women. The job got done, and I paid the same price for a room as I have in the south. So what gives. And Im willing to pay $5 a head for lettuce if thats what it takes. And thats no BS. |
I don't buy it. Part of the problem is EMPLOYERS don't want unskilled Americans. Why hire an American, who will probably better himself via formal education and learning new skills, and then leave, when you can hire an illegal who will stay forever? Turnover is the issue. This is why there are fewer summer jobs for teens today. It's not that the teens don't want to work, it's that they have to compete with professional minimum wage earners. |
Did you watch the 60 Minute program tonight? Apparently not.
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Negative - it's a myth. Sure, you might need to pay an American more money to do a given job. However, the American worker won't consume resources like a fucking locust either. Resources that tax dollars fund. |
I'll take Option C - IMMIGRATE TO THE FUCKING COUNTRY LEGALLY!!!  My fucking grandparents did it, right after WWII, speaking only German. They learned the language and assimilated - they had to - my Dad used to be the recipient of regular ass kickings for being a "kraut" so he learned English RFN. Here's what they DIDN'T do:- they didn't cry about ATM machines not being in their language - they didn't try to bring 100% of their culture here (otherwise why come here?), and impose it upon others - they didn't evade paying taxes - they never looked to welfare, not even as a "little help in the beginning" - they didn't drive around with no license or insurance - they didn't expect free health care In short, instead of holding a fucking press conference to whine, they became Americans. Nowadays, I see these jackoffs bitching about what they are "entitled" to and waving mexican flags. FUCK THEM. Want to come to the US? Great - do it the right way. Starting off your life in the US as a felon doesn't sit well with most Americans, the price of lettuce going up by 2 pennies be damned. 
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