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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone familiar with that brand? I bought their 65in 4k one.. Paid more for it than the one in the OP... Reviews were great. Picture is VERY NICE for the money. If I could talk the GF in to getting this one.. I would have already bought it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all TV panels are the same. A $2,500 65" QD-OLED is going to look way better than a 85" el-chepo LED panel. Yeah, I am in the market, but a bad 85" will look like shit. You can get away with a bad 40" a lot easier. Regardless, that is cheap, just not for me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 3:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My house is only 1300sq ft and I have 9 TVs and monitors from 24" to 85" in regular use, not counting laptops and handheld devices  
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Posted: 12/18/2023 4:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure it's a 75?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This. Our Sony Bravia beats the snot out of our Walmart special Vizio We just got a 75” Bravia. It is amazing You sure it's a 75? This is what I have 75” Bravia |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I am in the market, but a bad 85" will look like shit. You can get away with a bad 40" a lot easier. Regardless, that is cheap, just not for me. 4k is plenty in the vast majority of viewing situations. 
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:24:36 PM EDT
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FYI on the samsung tv's there is a switch on the bottom that shuts off the microphone on the tv. The one on the remote is only powered when you hold the button down.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FYI on the samsung tv's there is a switch on the bottom that they say shuts off the microphone on the tv. The one on the remote is only powered when you hold the button down. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked this up today. Samsung's flagship 8K 85" TV. 160 pounds and wasn't fun setting it up lol. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/152407/20231217_232210_jpg-3063137.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/152407/20231217_190001_jpg-3063139.JPG Had to wait for my boy to get home to help unload it. Nebraska Furniture Mart was supposed to deliver it between 9am and noon today but failed the mission. No known reason given just that I wasted my entire day waiting and making several calls to their CS gals. Last one finally helped tremendously. Even issued a compensation credit of $500 My phone doesn't do the picture quality justice...the colors, sharpness and clarity. Holy shit dude. That TV is amazing if it's the one I think it is. 6K baller setup. https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/samsung-neo-qled-8k/85-class-qn900c-samsung-neo-qled-8k-smart-tv-2023-qn85qn900cfxza/ |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:36:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/474231/IMG_3350-3062464.jpg Holy shit balls, bat man. Salad days. I know… we just bought a 65” from them a month or so ago for like $439. We don’t even watch TV I’m this household, but it’s almost like a piece of furniture… |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:51:08 PM EDT
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To the handful who commented on Soap Opera effect, thank you.
I had heard of it, and even knew what it meant when you mentioned it. But, I didn't realize that's what I was seeing. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 8:05:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree, a larger TV that has poor image quality isn’t really worth it. You act as if OP's tv will look like an etch-a-sketch. Meanwhile billions of people magicallly get by somehow without $4000 OLED tvs. |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 10:36:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You act as if OP's tv will look like an etch-a-sketch. Meanwhile billions of people magicallly get by somehow without $4000 OLED tvs. Facts.. I done a tone of research on TV's to play my PS5 on.. The hisense 65in u8h came up with stellar reviews.. I have had it for a few months now.. It looks fantastic |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 10:38:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. All the brands have acknowledged they make up the loss and then some on the selling of personalized data. Did you post this message on a tin can? |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 10:51:01 AM EDT
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I have 3 of those TV's (not that big tho lol) and they have been good TV's.
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:06:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/474231/IMG_3350-3062464.jpg Holy shit balls, bat man. Salad days. I just bought the 75" version of this TV with Roku for $398 |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:13:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just bought the 75" version of this TV with Roku for $398 Where? or was it a black friday deal? |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:24:19 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where? or was it a black friday deal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just bought the 75" version of this TV with Roku for $398 Where? or was it a black friday deal? WalMart - expired now: https://slickdeals.net/f/17028958-75-hisense-75r6030k-r6-series-4k-uhd-smart-roku-tv-w-alexa-398-free-shipping |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:27:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where? or was it a black friday deal?  Attached File 
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To the handful who commented on Soap Opera effect, thank you. I had heard of it, and even knew what it meant when you mentioned it. But, I didn't realize that's what I was seeing. 
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Posted: 12/19/2023 11:44:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you post this message on a tin can? Not saying I don't participate but just stating why they're so cheap nowadays. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all TV panels are the same. A $2,500 65" QD-OLED is going to look way better than a 85" el-chepo LED panel. yes but is it 1800 better ? |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:50:20 PM EDT
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I have an 85" Sony. Been running flawless since I bought I think in 2019. Now I want one of those new 98" LED TVs.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:51:56 PM EDT
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At the beginning of COVID we bought a 70" Samsung for cheap like $600 or so. One freaking month out of warranty it developed a vertical line down one side of the screen. We lived with it for another year then it just completely went dark and wouldn't power on.
Bought a Sony Bravo 65" at Costco $1200. It beats the absolute crap out of that cheap Samsung in picture quality. It also came with what's essentially a 4 year warranty. Moral of the story is cheap 4K TVs aren't that great at 4K content (especially with motion) or the upscaling of lower quality content. Now our 13 year old higher end Samsung 55" LED is still going on strong, but only 1080P. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yes but is it 1800 better ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not all TV panels are the same. A $2,500 65" QD-OLED is going to look way better than a 85" el-chepo LED panel. yes but is it 1800 better ? In terms of image quality, I’d say yes. But I’d never pay $2,500 for a 65” QD-OLED when 77” Samsung S90Cs have been available for <$2,000. Really though, even flagship/upper midrange 85” mini-LEDs from TCL, Hisense, and even Samsung can be had for ~$2,000 and are going to offer image quality that’s orders of magnitude better than what that would have gotten you even a couple of years ago. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 7:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A good place to read up on LCD TVs. https://www.avsforum.com/forums/lcd-flat-panel-displays.166/ Yep. I spend more time on AVS than I do here these days. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone familiar with that brand? TV for the poors. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese crap. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone familiar with that brand? Chinese crap. Yep. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:30:55 PM EDT
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Like it or not, the Chinese are primary OEMs for most LCD components at this point. They’re also the only ones really pushing LED/LCD tech forward in any appreciable way. It’s why Samsung bought into TCL’s CSOT panel manufacturing business. OLED, even QD-OLED, isn’t putting as big a dent into LCD demand as hoped and even then, CSOT will be selling inkjet printed OLEDs in a couple of years using tech they acquired from Japan OLED (JOLED).
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:47:31 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize pretty much ALL tv's are made in China, regardless of maker? I hate to break it to you, but even with Samsung and LG, a majority of them are also made in China. Yes, China. Some are also made in Vietnam...yes that other communist country and others are in India. We all know that India is renown for making Sig's best parts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don’t buy Chinese crap. Sure, Hisense is usually good, not this one, but don’t buy Chinese crap either way. You do realize pretty much ALL tv's are made in China, regardless of maker? I hate to break it to you, but even with Samsung and LG, a majority of them are also made in China. Yes, China. Some are also made in Vietnam...yes that other communist country and others are in India. We all know that India is renown for making Sig's best parts. Not sure about that. Pretty sure that the better models of Samsung are all made in SK, Mexico or VN. The bargain models might be made in China, but a lot of companies have divested from China. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:54:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like there's not much difference between a $400 Mini-14 and a $2500 Larue AR to a non shooter.  That 85" panel is the same one Sony, Samsung, and LG use so that's a pretty good start. Among the size the price buys you better dimming which is important for dark scenes, better MPEG processing which is important for fine detail in motion, and even better sounding speakers. But if you're not doing critical viewing in a proper room you'll not notice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a 65" version of that TV I got last year and the picure looks great. I can't see what I would gain picture wise paying $2500 instead of the $400 I paid. Just like there's not much difference between a $400 Mini-14 and a $2500 Larue AR to a non shooter. That 85" panel is the same one Sony, Samsung, and LG use so that's a pretty good start. Among the size the price buys you better dimming which is important for dark scenes, better MPEG processing which is important for fine detail in motion, and even better sounding speakers. But if you're not doing critical viewing in a proper room you'll not notice. Hisense does not use Samsung or LG panels. Besides them not enabling their Chinese competitors, Hisense specifically claims that they make all of their panels. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:56:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the Over-the-Air signals will look drop dead gorgeous compared to streaming and satellite of the same content. (Way less compression) True. No matter what they say, streaming always compresses. Bluray is the only pure 4K source. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:04:17 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'll see all the details in the dark areas but then zero light bleeding between the dark edges of the cave entrance and the bright outside. That's the HDR. You get the same effect with a QLED with the right source material. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you put a piece of black electrical tape over the camera, like on a computer? If you can find it, some are pinholes. But a lot don't have them due to the pushback. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hisense does not use Samsung or LG panels. Besides them not enabling their Chinese competitors, Hisense specifically claims that they make all of their panels. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a 65" version of that TV I got last year and the picure looks great. I can't see what I would gain picture wise paying $2500 instead of the $400 I paid. Just like there's not much difference between a $400 Mini-14 and a $2500 Larue AR to a non shooter. That 85" panel is the same one Sony, Samsung, and LG use so that's a pretty good start. Among the size the price buys you better dimming which is important for dark scenes, better MPEG processing which is important for fine detail in motion, and even better sounding speakers. But if you're not doing critical viewing in a proper room you'll not notice. Hisense does not use Samsung or LG panels. Besides them not enabling their Chinese competitors, Hisense specifically claims that they make all of their panels. Hisense does not have the ability to produce panels in any significant capacity. They may say that they do, but they source from other Chinese companies, including BOE and CSOT. There’s been a lot of discussion this year about how the 75” versions of their popular U7 and U8 models use an IPS-like ADS panel from BOE, while the other sizes use higher contrast VA panels. ETA: This Omdia report has a good breakdown of who is getting what and from where: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/omdia-reveals-market-is-favoring-china-panel-makers-as-tcl-and-hisense-fortifies-lcd-tv-panel-purchase-power-with-24-market-share-in-1q23-301825000.html |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:23:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure about that. Pretty sure that the better models of Samsung are all made in SK, Mexico or VN. The bargain models might be made in China, but a lot of companies have divested from China. Correct in that final assembly happens in those places, but the components are largely Chinese. Samsung and Sony do use a good amount of Taiwanese AUO panels in higher end LCDs, but the bulk of the panels come from CSOT or BOE. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like it or not, the Chinese are primary OEMs for most LCD components at this point. They’re also the only ones really pushing LED/LCD tech forward in any appreciable way. It’s why Samsung bought into TCL’s CSOT panel manufacturing business. OLED, even QD-OLED, isn’t putting as big a dent into LCD demand as hoped and even then, CSOT will be selling inkjet printed OLEDs in a couple of years using tech they acquired from Japan OLED (JOLED). China basically has a monopoly on LCD material production, giving them a significant advantage to keep all production there. They are still having major issues scaling IJP OLEDs to normal TV sizes, they just announced earlier this year they reached 65". They need to double/triple(~130"/180") that to significantly lessen the capacity and cost gap compared to LCDs. Scaling and production issues of IJP were supposed to be solved ~5-7years ago... but they still have major issues with pixel density, luminance(brightness), and power consumption. The focus of current IJP development is to continue driving down costs of OLED screens for the mobile market (phones and laptops). It could easily be another 4-5years before they get IJP OLEDs figured out and are capable of mass production for consumer TV sizes. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the HDR. You get the same effect with a QLED with the right source material. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'll see all the details in the dark areas but then zero light bleeding between the dark edges of the cave entrance and the bright outside. That's the HDR. You get the same effect with a QLED with the right source material. No. HDR is about contrast based on peak brightness. LCD(QLED) based displays will have light bleed between those areas since they have zoned backlights, i.e. why they have issues with blooming/halo effect. OLED based displays don't have any light bleed since they have per pixel emitters. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 9:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China basically has a monopoly on LCD material production, giving them a significant advantage to keep all production there. They are still having major issues scaling IJP OLEDs to normal TV sizes, they just announced earlier this year they reached 65". They need to double/triple(~130"/180") that to significantly lessen the capacity and cost gap compared to LCDs. Scaling and production issues of IJP were supposed to be solved ~5-7years ago... but they still have major issues with pixel density, luminance(brightness), and power consumption. The focus of current IJP development is to continue driving down costs of OLED screens for the mobile market (phones and laptops). It could easily be another 4-5years before they get IJP OLEDs figured out and are capable of mass production for consumer TV sizes. They seem more bullish on it as of late: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1702466953 Not only are they talking about production of large format displays, but at the same presentation in Poland, they unveiled some interesting PC monitor concepts using the tech. It’s all vapor ware for now of course, but that announcement was the first time I’ve seen them talk about those sorts of luminance numbers and panel sizes. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:14:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They seem more bullish on it as of late: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1702466953 Not only are they talking about production of large format displays, but at the same presentation in Poland, they unveiled some interesting PC monitor concepts using the tech. It’s all vapor ware for now of course, but that announcement was the first time I’ve seen them talk about those sorts of luminance numbers and panel sizes. Thanks for the info and link. If that is all true, that is awesome but I still find it somewhat hard to believe they fixed all those issues in ~2years and will be able to scale it up in size and capacity for mass production in <2years. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:27:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Do TV snobs get headphone hair also?
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:38:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Edited.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:42:40 PM EDT
[#43]
What a great way to watch the world go to hell in 2024. Let me get two.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:02:18 AM EDT
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I got a 75" LG that does 4k at 120 fps a few years ago. For the room I originally bought it for, it was big. For much smaller room that it's in now, it is like an IMAX theater. I would be much better off with a 65" instead.
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