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Posted: 10/2/2022 1:21:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: From reading Michael Yon’s original hyperbolic comment quoted in the OP, it is indeed possible to think we are all going to starve to death in the next few months. But if you have followed this thread at all, then you will know the consensus is for Africa and some parts of South Asia to suffer the worst famine. The United States is not expected to see more than seriously rising prices and shortages of some foods. The only people in the US who will do without food are those on the financial edge who are barely eating now. Next year though, might be another matter. It all depends on how the fertilizer issue shakes out. As a rich country, I would hope we have the means to get as much as we need. But that is unsure. I can’t help but think that moments like this are moments of staggering opportunity. If some brilliant researcher found a way to produce fertilizer other than the usual sources, someone would be set to become unimaginably rich. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Has it happened? Are we all starving to death yet? OP failed to deliver... From reading Michael Yon’s original hyperbolic comment quoted in the OP, it is indeed possible to think we are all going to starve to death in the next few months. But if you have followed this thread at all, then you will know the consensus is for Africa and some parts of South Asia to suffer the worst famine. The United States is not expected to see more than seriously rising prices and shortages of some foods. The only people in the US who will do without food are those on the financial edge who are barely eating now. Next year though, might be another matter. It all depends on how the fertilizer issue shakes out. As a rich country, I would hope we have the means to get as much as we need. But that is unsure. I can’t help but think that moments like this are moments of staggering opportunity. If some brilliant researcher found a way to produce fertilizer other than the usual sources, someone would be set to become unimaginably rich. I thought this was interesting: Drink bourbon, save the whales or something It mentions that one of the outputs of their process is a "high-quality, low-cost fertilizer". |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. You might be on to something there. China has infiltrated every aspect of America, including technology, finance, education, and politics as well as buying up land in strategic areas. That’s not even touching on the fentanyl issue with Mexican Cartels that are destroying communities all across this country right now. 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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By JTX23: Originally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. Man, that sounds exactly like the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” talking points that Hillary Clinton distributed to all the media and Democrat politicians to go after Trump that turned out to be a big fat lie. No shit Russia has connections in Syria and Libya. They’ve also got connections in several other countries in the Middle East. That still doesn’t even compare to what China has been able to do with their influences around the world that have been previously pointed out in this thread. Bottom line, Russia only wishes they had as much leverage in America as China currently does. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: You might be on to something there. China has infiltrated every aspect of America, including technology, finance, education, and politics as well as buying up land in strategic areas. That’s not even touching on the fentanyl issue with Mexican Cartels that are destroying communities all across this country right now. I don’t see Russia doing anything close to that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By heavymetal762: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. You might be on to something there. China has infiltrated every aspect of America, including technology, finance, education, and politics as well as buying up land in strategic areas. That’s not even touching on the fentanyl issue with Mexican Cartels that are destroying communities all across this country right now. I don’t see Russia doing anything close to that. Substack on China may be doing it. https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/us-betrayal-of-germany-and-europe For the TLDR crowd: China is behind the virus, the stolen election, and now the destruction of the European Union and NATO, while attempting to weaken Russia even as it supports it, eliminating all the powerhouses that could potentially stand up to stop China’s rise to world power. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:57:04 PM EDT
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Remember the Siamese fighting fish scene from an old Bond movie?
Except now its from China with love. https://youtu.be/lL_q-rVZqR0 |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: One benefit to digital pdf books is it’s much quicker & easier to do searches for that particular bit of information. We’re still going to need battery chargers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By yodude: Originally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By Third_Rail: That very valid point aside - how many people and institutions bother to have physical reference materials? Manuals/guides/emergency procedures/etc.? For truly vital information I've made a point of having physical copies of everything on hand. Prudent. Yeah. I have a good number of survival stuff PDF on my computer. I don't like that. I used to. I figured in SHTF, I could just print them out. But when I compared the cost of toner against the manuals, it was an easy decision to go ahead and order the books. One benefit to digital pdf books is it’s much quicker & easier to do searches for that particular bit of information. We’re still going to need battery chargers. This is true. So get both. I did. I have PDFs and ebooks of a number of manuals and plenty of charging ability. But, you may not be able to depend on your phone, iPad, computer working at all times. Or, you may not want to take your iPhone with you to a training session. Or you may want to hand the manual to someone else to study. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further.
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: Substack on China may be doing it. https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/us-betrayal-of-germany-and-europe For the TLDR crowd: China is behind the virus, the stolen election, and now the destruction of the European Union and NATO, while attempting to weaken Russia even as it supports it, eliminating all the powerhouses that could potentially stand up to stop China’s rise to world power. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By heavymetal762: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. You might be on to something there. China has infiltrated every aspect of America, including technology, finance, education, and politics as well as buying up land in strategic areas. That’s not even touching on the fentanyl issue with Mexican Cartels that are destroying communities all across this country right now. I don’t see Russia doing anything close to that. Substack on China may be doing it. https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/us-betrayal-of-germany-and-europe For the TLDR crowd: China is behind the virus, the stolen election, and now the destruction of the European Union and NATO, while attempting to weaken Russia even as it supports it, eliminating all the powerhouses that could potentially stand up to stop China’s rise to world power. That’s a lot of dirt in that pile you provided. There are decades worth of dirt in multiple piles when it comes to China. All I heard about China back in the 1990s was their connection to Bill Clinton and the spies they had placed in tech companies around the country, including Los Alamos. It’s amazing the fighter new planes other military equipment that China came out with soon after that looked oddly like a version America had been producing for years. Business-wise, they copy anything and everything, violating patents left and right but strangely, our government may bark about it but they provide no bite at all. Their current connection to Mexican Cartels and their reach into America is what concerns me. They are just waiting for America to fall and already have their own networks in place when it does. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 900kilo: Remember the Siamese fighting fish scene from an old Bond movie? Except now its from China with love.  Betta Fish in a 007 Movie, From Russia With Love Good example/analogy. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 900kilo: Remember the Siamese fighting fish scene from an old Bond movie? Except now its from China with love. https://youtu.be/lL_q-rVZqR0 Your James Bond movie reference reminded me of something else I noticed recently when watching The Road Warrior a few weeks ago. Older movies have “little things” that seem to have been lost on newer movies as well as the newer generations. Most people watching would concentrate on the dog food as the main point of this scene, which I did when watched it years ago, but Michael Yon’s recent postings made something else jump out at me when I watched it this last time. Little details like this were definitely more common knowledge, even just a few decades ago than they are now.  Mad Max 2 Dog food scene Michael Yon@MichaelYon April 17, 2022 Hunger Spoons — listen to me I’ve never been in famine. Only food shortages. I’ve read only fifteen books on famine so far. The spoons are a recurring topic. For instance, in this book I read called BLACK POTATOES. The spoons. Likewise, I read elsewhere that during the Hongerwinter of 1944-45 in Netherlands, people began carrying spoons everywhere. And many people carried spoons for the rest of their lives. This is particularly interesting. When I was in Special Forces, especially those early days of selection and training, many of us carried spoons all the time in our uniform pockets. I did. And we were not in famine. Hungry all the time. Ready to eat a dog a time or two. But not in famine. Yet we carried spoons.  |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:28:42 PM EDT
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TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial
1h · Huge poster of the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Mark Rutte pelted with eggs by protesters in the Hague. https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109100094503332087 |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . True. They are related. But there are plenty of other threads for polarization. I am glad we agree. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:52:09 PM EDT
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Most people watching would concentrate on the dog food as the main point of this scene, which I did when watched it years ago, but Michael Yon’s recent postings made something else jump out at me when I watched it this last time. Little details like this were definitely more common knowledge. My first job in high school was sacking groceries. Every now and then, some poor, or really old, often both, people would come in and buy a bunch of canned cat food we knew was for them. Really sad. People have been living on the edge all my life. This was when Welfare was going strong. But a lot of people had too much pride to accept a handout. That’s something else people nowadays would have trouble understanding. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial 1h · Huge poster of the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Mark Rutte pelted with eggs by protesters in the Hague. https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109100094503332087 I guess they weren’t too hungry if they had spare eggs to fling. ETA: I watched it again. One egg hit right on his nose and the yellow yolk slid down a couple of inches, looked like snot. I laughed so hard, I felt like a twelve year old. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaxPayer77: On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: True. They are related. But there are plenty of other threads for polarization. I am glad we agree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . True. They are related. But there are plenty of other threads for polarization. I am glad we agree. Yes there are and I generally even try to stay out of those, too, since they are such a polarized topic. Hopefully, I’ve learned my lesson that you can’t bring just a portion of a controversial topic into a discussion without bringing the whole damn thing right along with it. Truth is there’s no “winning” in these types of discussions. This isn’t the first time I’ve been chastised in this thread and probably won’t be a be last, either.  |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Yes there are and I generally even try to stay out of those, too, since they are such a polarized topic. Hopefully, I’ve learned my lesson that you can’t bring just a portion of a controversial topic into a discussion without bringing the whole damn thing right along with it. Truth is there’s no “winning” in these types of discussions. This isn’t the first time I’ve been chastised in this thread and probably won’t be a be last, either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . True. They are related. But there are plenty of other threads for polarization. I am glad we agree. Yes there are and I generally even try to stay out of those, too, since they are such a polarized topic. Hopefully, I’ve learned my lesson that you can’t bring just a portion of a controversial topic into a discussion without bringing the whole damn thing right along with it. Truth is there’s no “winning” in these types of discussions. This isn’t the first time I’ve been chastised in this thread and probably won’t be a be last, either. It’s actually quite amazing this thread is 52 pages and hasn’t become a purse swinging shitstorm like damn near any thread of length in GD. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: My first job in high school was sacking groceries. Every now and then, some poor, or really old, often both, people would come in and buy a bunch of canned cat food we knew was for them. Really sad. People have been living on the edge all my life. This was when Welfare was going strong. But a lot of people had too much pride to accept a handout. That’s something else people nowadays would have trouble understanding. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Most people watching would concentrate on the dog food as the main point of this scene, which I did when watched it years ago, but Michael Yon’s recent postings made something else jump out at me when I watched it this last time. Little details like this were definitely more common knowledge. My first job in high school was sacking groceries. Every now and then, some poor, or really old, often both, people would come in and buy a bunch of canned cat food we knew was for them. Really sad. People have been living on the edge all my life. This was when Welfare was going strong. But a lot of people had too much pride to accept a handout. That’s something else people nowadays would have trouble understanding. I guess that kind of shows how good we have it these days. Pet supplies is a multi billion dollar industry and pet food has become more expensive than a lot of canned food made for human consumption. That ‘s not even taking into account for inflation. Within the last year, I’ve seen the small 3 oz. can of Fancy Feast go from 62¢/can to, I believe, 83¢/can. Used to, I needed a knife to get all of the contents out, particularly with the pate. Now, there’s enough of a pocket of air around the wall of the can that the content simply falls out in its own. I’ve also had to visit multiple Walmarts to get an adequate supply because it is and has been in short supply since 2020. Multiple times, I’ve ran in to other cat owners that tell me they do the same thing. We’ve already discussed in this thread pets being dumped because the owners are having problems affording food for them. If/when this starts happening with people food, it’s going to get crazy! As you pointed out, things have changed so much that people now have no issues with accepting handouts. That’s when the free government cheese will be the proverbial bait in the mouse trap. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: I guess they weren’t too hungry if they had spare eggs to fling. ETA: I watched it again. One egg hit right on his nose and the yellow yolk slid down a couple of inches, looked like snot. I laughed so hard, I felt like a twelve year old. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial 1h · Huge poster of the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Mark Rutte pelted with eggs by protesters in the Hague. https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109100094503332087 I guess they weren’t too hungry if they had spare eggs to fling. ETA: I watched it again. One egg hit right on his nose and the yellow yolk slid down a couple of inches, looked like snot. I laughed so hard, I felt like a twelve year old. Yep, wasting good food crossed my mind, too. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Same thing with ice and snow storms. On one of my trips to Walmart for cat food this past winter, a lady I ran into in the cat food aisle said there was no bread at all in the whole store. This is a very large Walmart, too. It’s not that I didn’t believe her because I absolutely did. I just had to go see the completely empty shelves for myself. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:27:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: It’s actually quite amazing this thread is 52 pages and hasn’t become a purse swinging shitstorm like damn near any thread of length in GD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Man, you are so right!! And it’s my fault. There’s no doubt the war is affecting the farming in Ukraine that will also affect the world with future food supplies. I injected the nuclear war threat since I see that as the biggest contributor to a future world famine that possibly anything else. I just find it crazy that a potential conflict between two nuclear powers that may lead to a nuclear war with threats flying from both sides has become such a polarized controversial point. Welcome to the new normal. Again, you are right. . True. They are related. But there are plenty of other threads for polarization. I am glad we agree. Yes there are and I generally even try to stay out of those, too, since they are such a polarized topic. Hopefully, I’ve learned my lesson that you can’t bring just a portion of a controversial topic into a discussion without bringing the whole damn thing right along with it. Truth is there’s no “winning” in these types of discussions. This isn’t the first time I’ve been chastised in this thread and probably won’t be a be last, either. It’s actually quite amazing this thread is 52 pages and hasn’t become a purse swinging shitstorm like damn near any thread of length in GD. I’m kind of surprised it’s taken off like it has. I’ve noticed some things I normally would have posted in the Australia thread have become more applicable to this one now so I’ve posted them here instead. I’ve also seen things M. Yon warned about become common news stories since this thread was started, too. Sadly, I don’t see it letting up either, despite the occasional “When’s all of this gonna start?” postings. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:31:02 PM EDT
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Michael Yon@MichaelYon
9 minutes ago Pipelines and other Infrastructure 02 October 2022 Belfast, Northern Ireland Most Irish, as with most other Europeans and Americans, seem oblivious to what is unfolding. Watch with near certainty as pipelines and other infrastructure is interrupted or destroyed, or neglected beyond repair, on mass scale Some friends and I had dinner here tonight. The Europa is said to be the most bombed hotel in Europe. Unfortunately, bombs soon will boom around Europe and America:  Europe’s most bombed hotel: The Europa Hotel in Belfast | War Hotels |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. Sorry, I shouldn’t have said that.. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 7:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Yes there are and I generally even try to stay out of those, too, since they are such a polarized topic. Hopefully, I’ve learned my lesson that you can’t bring just a portion of a controversial topic into a discussion without bringing the whole damn thing right along with it. Truth is there’s no “winning” in these types of discussions. This isn’t the first time I’ve been chastised in this thread and probably won’t be a be last, either. I really wasn’t chastising you or anyone else so much as reminding all of us, me included, that we have a great discussion going, and I wanted to keep it that way. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 7:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: If/when this starts happening with people food, it’s going to get crazy! As you pointed out, things have changed so much that people now have no issues with accepting handouts. That’s when the free government cheese will be the proverbial bait in the mouse trap. This brings to mind the thread last year about the food riots in South Africa. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: From reading Michael Yon’s original hyperbolic comment quoted in the OP, it is indeed possible to think we are all going to starve to death in the next few months. But if you have followed this thread at all, then you will know the consensus is for Africa and some parts of South Asia to suffer the worst famine. The United States is not expected to see more than seriously rising prices and shortages of some foods. The only people in the US who will do without food are those on the financial edge who are barely eating now. Next year though, might be another matter. It all depends on how the fertilizer issue shakes out. As a rich country, I would hope we have the means to get as much as we need. But that is unsure. I can’t help but think that moments like this are moments of staggering opportunity. If some brilliant researcher found a way to produce fertilizer other than the usual sources, someone would be set to become unimaginably rich. California is composting humans. Marxists are so full of shit they have to be worth more before the expiration date. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. You say that as if the CCP doesn't have our "leaders" by the short hairs. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: This brings to mind the thread last year about the food riots in South Africa. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: If/when this starts happening with people food, it’s going to get crazy! As you pointed out, things have changed so much that people now have no issues with accepting handouts. That’s when the free government cheese will be the proverbial bait in the mouse trap. This brings to mind the thread last year about the food riots in South Africa. I will say it’s nice to have someone in the know or someone who is associated with the local police so you do know the true level of crime that is in your area or neighborhood. You might be surprised to know what is actually going on around you that you thought only happened in the big city or other neighborhoods. Carjackings and home invasions aren’t things that only happen in the big metro areas anymore. That is a pretty good channel with good tips & advice, relative to current events that could affect all of us. He does warn on certain things I have voiced concern with as well, plus he talks about food storage & food sustainability that should last for 2 - 3 years. From his POV, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe we need to shift our ways of thinking so it’s not something that should be considered “out of the question” or “not feasible”. Adapt or die.  Greater Than the Great Depression is Upon Us... |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: California is composting humans. Marxists are so full of shit they have to be worth more before the expiration date. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: From reading Michael Yon’s original hyperbolic comment quoted in the OP, it is indeed possible to think we are all going to starve to death in the next few months. But if you have followed this thread at all, then you will know the consensus is for Africa and some parts of South Asia to suffer the worst famine. The United States is not expected to see more than seriously rising prices and shortages of some foods. The only people in the US who will do without food are those on the financial edge who are barely eating now. Next year though, might be another matter. It all depends on how the fertilizer issue shakes out. As a rich country, I would hope we have the means to get as much as we need. But that is unsure. I can’t help but think that moments like this are moments of staggering opportunity. If some brilliant researcher found a way to produce fertilizer other than the usual sources, someone would be set to become unimaginably rich. California is composting humans. Marxists are so full of shit they have to be worth more before the expiration date. Daaaaamn!  |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:05:17 PM EDT
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Disclose.tv@disclosetv
43m · JUST IN - Leftist Lula falls short of an outright win in Brazil's election and will face Bolsonaro in a runoff election on October 30th. TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial 1h · This guy just won the first round of the Brazilian election, overtaken Bolsonaro's 1.5m vote lead to end up millions of votes ahead. A run off will take place on 30th October between the two runners.  |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Your James Bond movie reference reminded me of something else I noticed recently when watching The Road Warrior a few weeks ago. Older movies have “little things” that seem to have been lost on newer movies as well as the newer generations. Most people watching would concentrate on the dog food as the main point of this scene, which I did when watched it years ago, but Michael Yon’s recent postings made something else jump out at me when I watched it this last time. Little details like this were definitely more common knowledge, even just a few decades ago than they are now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7lMlz3DX_QMichael Yon@MichaelYon April 17, 2022 Hunger Spoons — listen to me I’ve never been in famine. Only food shortages. I’ve read only fifteen books on famine so far. The spoons are a recurring topic. For instance, in this book I read called BLACK POTATOES. The spoons. Likewise, I read elsewhere that during the Hongerwinter of 1944-45 in Netherlands, people began carrying spoons everywhere. And many people carried spoons for the rest of their lives. This is particularly interesting. When I was in Special Forces, especially those early days of selection and training, many of us carried spoons all the time in our uniform pockets. I did. And we were not in famine. Hungry all the time. Ready to eat a dog a time or two. But not in famine. Yet we carried spoons. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_iwaerxw3r65ork9.jpeg That's interesting. My dad told me that in Vietnam (69-70) they all carried a spoon in their pocket - "wipe it off and ready to eat whatever a wife or mother had sent to a buddy." He was 6'1" and about 190# when he finished training. When he came home he weighed about 135. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:32:14 PM EDT
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Originally posted by Alacran: I will say it’s nice to have someone in the know or someone who is associated with the local police so you do know the true level of crime that is in your area or neighborhood. You might be surprised to know what is actually going on around you that you thought only happened in the big city or other neighborhoods. Carjackings and home invasions aren’t things that only happen in the big metro areas anymore. My hometown used to have a crime map, don’t know if they still have it. You could filter for dates and type of crime (burglary, rape, assault, etc.). It would post up the approximate location of the crime. It might be worth checking to see if your town has anything like that. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Man, that sounds exactly like the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” talking points that Hillary Clinton distributed to all the media and Democrat politicians to go after Trump that turned out to be a big fat lie. No shit Russia has connections in Syria and Libya. They’ve also got connections in several other countries in the Middle East. That still doesn’t even compare to what China has been able to do with their influences around the world that have been previously pointed out in this thread. Bottom line, Russia only wishes they had as much leverage in America as China currently does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By JTX23: Originally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. Man, that sounds exactly like the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” talking points that Hillary Clinton distributed to all the media and Democrat politicians to go after Trump that turned out to be a big fat lie. No shit Russia has connections in Syria and Libya. They’ve also got connections in several other countries in the Middle East. That still doesn’t even compare to what China has been able to do with their influences around the world that have been previously pointed out in this thread. Bottom line, Russia only wishes they had as much leverage in America as China currently does. More nonsense. ChinaIsAsshoe doesn't have leverage in the US. They have people and money here in the US so they don't need the kind of covert interference the Russians exert. Further, ChinaIsAsshoe is using our money to buy our politicians. Much easier to get what they want than trying to influence millions of libtard lefties. Enough thread sliding. Food shortages are not likely to happen here in the US for reasons others have already stated. However, there may end up being food shortages in ChinaIsAsshoe. That is why they have been busy buying food producers (like Smithfield Foods and others) as well as farmland here in the US. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: That's interesting. My dad told me that in Vietnam (69-70) they all carried a spoon in their pocket - "wipe it off and ready to eat whatever a wife or mother had sent to a buddy." He was 6'1" and about 190# when he finished training. When he came home he weighed about 135. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By Alacran: Your James Bond movie reference reminded me of something else I noticed recently when watching The Road Warrior a few weeks ago. Older movies have “little things” that seem to have been lost on newer movies as well as the newer generations. Most people watching would concentrate on the dog food as the main point of this scene, which I did when watched it years ago, but Michael Yon’s recent postings made something else jump out at me when I watched it this last time. Little details like this were definitely more common knowledge, even just a few decades ago than they are now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7lMlz3DX_QMichael Yon@MichaelYon April 17, 2022 Hunger Spoons — listen to me I’ve never been in famine. Only food shortages. I’ve read only fifteen books on famine so far. The spoons are a recurring topic. For instance, in this book I read called BLACK POTATOES. The spoons. Likewise, I read elsewhere that during the Hongerwinter of 1944-45 in Netherlands, people began carrying spoons everywhere. And many people carried spoons for the rest of their lives. This is particularly interesting. When I was in Special Forces, especially those early days of selection and training, many of us carried spoons all the time in our uniform pockets. I did. And we were not in famine. Hungry all the time. Ready to eat a dog a time or two. But not in famine. Yet we carried spoons. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_iwaerxw3r65ork9.jpeg That's interesting. My dad told me that in Vietnam (69-70) they all carried a spoon in their pocket - "wipe it off and ready to eat whatever a wife or mother had sent to a buddy." He was 6'1" and about 190# when he finished training. When he came home he weighed about 135. Wow! Yeah, it must have a military connection as well. I posted the Michael Yon spoon story in the Garand Thumb Urban Survival thread because Garand Thumb also talked about the value of carrying a spoon with you in his video. Later in the thread, @Dave_Markowitz (Thanks, Dave!) recommended this spoon which I quickly bought. It’s now my Official SHTF Famine Spoon. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. My observation of pre-hurricane "prepping" indicates to me that most folks' focus is on Disaster French ToastTM. Bread, milk, and eggs disappear at the slightest hint of being in the path. Some run out and buy gas cans and generators (and complain when stores run out of both). Anything else is largely ignored. Part of this has to do with the mistaken notion that mommy .gov will come charging in within 72 hours (according to FEMA) and when that doesn't happen, they are stuck. You are correct in your assessment of a nationwide issue and its effects. We saw that in 2020 in spades. (Although, to be fair, I don't think anybody really expected a TP shortage. But, it damn sure happened nonetheless.) |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Wow! Yeah, it must have a military connection as well. I posted the Michael Yon spoon story in the Garand Thumb Urban Survival thread because Garand Thumb also talked about the value of carrying a spoon with you in his video. Later in the thread, @Dave_Markowitz (Thanks, Dave!) recommended this spoon which I quickly bought. www.amazon.com/dp/B00J1BV01C It’s now my Official SHTF Famine Spoon. I’ve had this titanium spork at work now for several years: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AR2N76?tag=arfcom00-20 |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: More nonsense. ChinaIsAsshoe doesn't have leverage in the US. They have people and money here in the US so they don't need the kind of covert interference the Russians exert. Further, ChinaIsAsshoe is using our money to buy our politicians. Much easier to get what they want than trying to influence millions of libtard lefties. Enough thread sliding. Food shortages are not likely to happen here in the US for reasons others have already stated. However, there may end up being food shortages in ChinaIsAsshoe. That is why they have been busy buying food producers (like Smithfield Foods and others) as well as farmland here in the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By JTX23: Originally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. Man, that sounds exactly like the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” talking points that Hillary Clinton distributed to all the media and Democrat politicians to go after Trump that turned out to be a big fat lie. No shit Russia has connections in Syria and Libya. They’ve also got connections in several other countries in the Middle East. That still doesn’t even compare to what China has been able to do with their influences around the world that have been previously pointed out in this thread. Bottom line, Russia only wishes they had as much leverage in America as China currently does. More nonsense. ChinaIsAsshoe doesn't have leverage in the US. They have people and money here in the US so they don't need the kind of covert interference the Russians exert. Further, ChinaIsAsshoe is using our money to buy our politicians. Much easier to get what they want than trying to influence millions of libtard lefties. Enough thread sliding. Food shortages are not likely to happen here in the US for reasons others have already stated. However, there may end up being food shortages in ChinaIsAsshoe. That is why they have been busy buying food producers (like Smithfield Foods and others) as well as farmland here in the US. Obviously, we get our information from different sources so I guess we can just agree to disagree on this topic. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:34:39 PM EDT
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[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. I don’t have to imagine. I remember in spring of 2020, when the Covid panic was first getting going, there were problems with a shortage of truckers for some reason that caused serious supply issues for grocery stores. That in turn led to the great toilet paper panic of ‘02. ETA: I see planemaker already addressed this. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:36:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: I’ve had this titanium spork at work now for several years: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AR2N76?tag=arfcom00-20 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Originally Posted By Alacran: Wow! Yeah, it must have a military connection as well. I posted the Michael Yon spoon story in the Garand Thumb Urban Survival thread because Garand Thumb also talked about the value of carrying a spoon with you in his video. Later in the thread, @Dave_Markowitz (Thanks, Dave!) recommended this spoon which I quickly bought. www.amazon.com/dp/B00J1BV01C It’s now my Official SHTF Famine Spoon. I’ve had this titanium spork at work now for several years: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AR2N76?tag=arfcom00-20 But have you seen the tactical spork? Ka-Bar Tactical Spork (Spoon Fork Knife) Tool 9909 Black, 1 Pack |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:38:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: I’ve had this titanium spork at work now for several years: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AR2N76?tag=arfcom00-20 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Originally Posted By Alacran: Wow! Yeah, it must have a military connection as well. I posted the Michael Yon spoon story in the Garand Thumb Urban Survival thread because Garand Thumb also talked about the value of carrying a spoon with you in his video. Later in the thread, @Dave_Markowitz (Thanks, Dave!) recommended this spoon which I quickly bought. www.amazon.com/dp/B00J1BV01C It’s now my Official SHTF Famine Spoon. I’ve had this titanium spork at work now for several years: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AR2N76?tag=arfcom00-20 I’ve used the Light My Fire spork before but didn’t like the jagged knife blade on the side of the fork. I guess I like my spoon to be a spoon & my fork to be a fork. I’ve heard good things about this one and it does look to be a good useful combo, more so than others. At that price, I just added it to my wishlist for a future order. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:49:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: I don’t have to imagine. I remember in spring of 2020, when the Covid panic was first getting going, there were problems with a shortage of truckers for some reason that caused serious supply issues for grocery stores. That in turn led to the great toilet paper panic of ‘02. ETA: I see planemaker already addressed this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. I don’t have to imagine. I remember in spring of 2020, when the Covid panic was first getting going, there were problems with a shortage of truckers for some reason that caused serious supply issues for grocery stores. That in turn led to the great toilet paper panic of ‘02. ETA: I see planemaker already addressed this. I had problems getting my favorite Mrs. Baird’s Honey Wheat bread until I narrowed down the delivery time and restocking of the shelves back then. Yep, I saw more than just toilet paper shortages during that period. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:05:07 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: I had problems getting my favorite Mrs. Baird’s Honey Wheat bread until I narrowed down the delivery time and restocking of the shelves back then. Yep, I saw more than just toilet paper shortages during that period. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. I don’t have to imagine. I remember in spring of 2020, when the Covid panic was first getting going, there were problems with a shortage of truckers for some reason that caused serious supply issues for grocery stores. That in turn led to the great toilet paper panic of ‘02. ETA: I see planemaker already addressed this. I had problems getting my favorite Mrs. Baird’s Honey Wheat bread until I narrowed down the delivery time and restocking of the shelves back then. Yep, I saw more than just toilet paper shortages during that period. Yep, that's a fact. Down here, there were all kinds of canned good shortages. Canned fruit, veggie, and meat shelves were empty with signs limiting quantities. At least that made some sense since people and families that would normally eat out (or the kids would eat at school) suddenly had to have all their meals at home. Grocery stores weren't set up for that kind of volume demand. While there wasn't a food shortage per se, there was a huge food distribution imbalance. Took months for that to subside. The one kind of shampoo that I use disappeared off the shelves and didn't come back for a few months. Even soda makers were rotating their manufacturing between products because they didn't have either the ingredients or packaging to keep them all stocked at the same time. We don't really have to guess as to how an actual food shortage would play out since we've seen the results of the equivalent of one within the last 2.5 years. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:33:32 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Yep, that's a fact. Down here, there were all kinds of canned good shortages. Canned fruit, veggie, and meat shelves were empty with signs limiting quantities. At least that made some sense since people and families that would normally eat out (or the kids would eat at school) suddenly had to have all their meals at home. Grocery stores weren't set up for that kind of volume demand. While there wasn't a food shortage per se, there was a huge food distribution imbalance. Took months for that to subside. The one kind of shampoo that I use disappeared off the shelves and didn't come back for a few months. Even soda makers were rotating their manufacturing between products because they didn't have either the ingredients or packaging to keep them all stocked at the same time. We don't really have to guess as to how an actual food shortage would play out since we've seen the results of the equivalent of one within the last 2.5 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. I don’t have to imagine. I remember in spring of 2020, when the Covid panic was first getting going, there were problems with a shortage of truckers for some reason that caused serious supply issues for grocery stores. That in turn led to the great toilet paper panic of ‘02. ETA: I see planemaker already addressed this. I had problems getting my favorite Mrs. Baird’s Honey Wheat bread until I narrowed down the delivery time and restocking of the shelves back then. Yep, I saw more than just toilet paper shortages during that period. Yep, that's a fact. Down here, there were all kinds of canned good shortages. Canned fruit, veggie, and meat shelves were empty with signs limiting quantities. At least that made some sense since people and families that would normally eat out (or the kids would eat at school) suddenly had to have all their meals at home. Grocery stores weren't set up for that kind of volume demand. While there wasn't a food shortage per se, there was a huge food distribution imbalance. Took months for that to subside. The one kind of shampoo that I use disappeared off the shelves and didn't come back for a few months. Even soda makers were rotating their manufacturing between products because they didn't have either the ingredients or packaging to keep them all stocked at the same time. We don't really have to guess as to how an actual food shortage would play out since we've seen the results of the equivalent of one within the last 2.5 years. It could be worse though. I think that's the point if this thread. Stock up on what you need now... at least on the durable goods side. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:07:03 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Same thing with ice and snow storms. On one of my trips to Walmart for cat food this past winter, a lady I ran into in the cat food aisle said there was no bread at all in the whole store. This is a very large Walmart, too. It's not that I didn't believe her because I absolutely did. I just had to go see the completely empty shelves for myself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Same thing with ice and snow storms. On one of my trips to Walmart for cat food this past winter, a lady I ran into in the cat food aisle said there was no bread at all in the whole store. This is a very large Walmart, too. It's not that I didn't believe her because I absolutely did. I just had to go see the completely empty shelves for myself. During the Icepocalypse in Texas last year I remember my wife having everything ready to go when the power would come on to get to baking, I think it was therapeutic for her. It makes me wonder if we're so far gone as a culture that the ability to cook from scratch is mostly gone. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:25:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 96Ag: Serious question, was there flour and yeast left? During the Icepocalypse in Texas last year I remember my wife having everything ready to go when the power would come on to get to baking, I think it was therapeutic for her. It makes me wonder if we're so far gone as a culture that the ability to cook from scratch is mostly gone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 96Ag: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: Originally Posted By amannamedjed: Man, this thread is turning into another screw/support Ukraine thread. I may have to find some where else to hang out if this thread drifts any further. On the topic of starving, look at SW FL after Ian, has it been 96 hours yet? Not a day after the storm passed and folks were out of food, prescriptions, water, oxygen, gas according to fb posts. As sad as that is, is it that surprising? The average person who spends time on Facebook is exactly the type of person constantly mentioned here as being unaware and unprepared for any disruption. And they knew that storm was coming. Imagine what it would be like nationwide if something major happened to disrupt the just in time supply chain or infrastructure. Same thing with ice and snow storms. On one of my trips to Walmart for cat food this past winter, a lady I ran into in the cat food aisle said there was no bread at all in the whole store. This is a very large Walmart, too. It's not that I didn't believe her because I absolutely did. I just had to go see the completely empty shelves for myself. During the Icepocalypse in Texas last year I remember my wife having everything ready to go when the power would come on to get to baking, I think it was therapeutic for her. It makes me wonder if we're so far gone as a culture that the ability to cook from scratch is mostly gone. And you don't HAVE to have yeast, soda bread is a thing if you are hungry. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:41:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 96Ag: Serious question, was there flour and yeast left? During the Icepocalypse in Texas last year I remember my wife having everything ready to go when the power would come on to get to baking, I think it was therapeutic for her. It makes me wonder if we're so far gone as a culture that the ability to cook from scratch is mostly gone. During Covid, yeast was damn near impossible to find for over a year. Flour was easier to find, but several times WMT or any of the local grocery stores didn't have any in stock. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: During Covid, yeast was damn near impossible to find for over a year. Flour was easier to find, but several times WMT or any of the local grocery stores didn't have any in stock. Restaurant supply stores had it, but the smallest amount you could buy was a pound. Yes I bought some along with bulk flour and I can make my own bread just fine. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:08:14 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Yep, that's a fact. Down here, there were all kinds of canned good shortages. Canned fruit, veggie, and meat shelves were empty with signs limiting quantities. At least that made some sense since people and families that would normally eat out (or the kids would eat at school) suddenly had to have all their meals at home. Grocery stores weren't set up for that kind of volume demand. While there wasn't a food shortage per se, there was a huge food distribution imbalance. Took months for that to subside. The one kind of shampoo that I use disappeared off the shelves and didn't come back for a few months. Even soda makers were rotating their manufacturing between products because they didn't have either the ingredients or packaging to keep them all stocked at the same time. We don't really have to guess as to how an actual food shortage would play out since we've seen the results of the equivalent of one within the last 2.5 years. And it never really subsided, they were just able to catch up enough to put a thin veneer up. There are still lots of holes and almost nothing is well stocked. If we had the proverbial three days before I am not sure we have much more than one now. |
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