A mostly peaceful election year. Let's talk PDWs v2.0 (Page 51 of 52)
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Ill try mine out Wednesday and report back. In the meantime our Arf overlords put up a video on it recently.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN6fbhFBrYUOnly 5.7 ammo I have on hand is Hornady Black 40gr so we will see how mine runs it! Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Looking forward to your feedback on the XPRT90 function. Please let us know what ammo you use as well. Ill try mine out Wednesday and report back. In the meantime our Arf overlords put up a video on it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN6fbhFBrYUOnly 5.7 ammo I have on hand is Hornady Black 40gr so we will see how mine runs it! |
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 PS90+XPRT90 FRT. functioned great, easy to do single shots or forced reset with progressive trigger XPRT 90 in the PS90 ran great today. the single shots in the middle and end of the video is just me seeing if I could shoot semi auto quickly in the frt mode without engaging the frt. Progressive trigger makes that super easy. Half pull for one shot, full pull for frt. Very pleased with it. |
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It was hot as hell so I didn't do much shooting with the FK Brno PSD but I did get to chrono a bit and test some things out. It ran great with 7.5FK and ran both 180gr 10mm and 180gr 40 no problem with the 10mm barrel. I'm going to go ahead and SBR it so I can get the stock for it.   With their F5 ammo (95gr solid copper hollowpoint), average velocity was ~1880 fps. With the F9 (101 gr solid copper flat nose), average velocity was ~1840 fps.  
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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ISO a cheap bag to carry my G19 clone in a Recover Tactical chassis. be great if it holds a small chest rig and a few mags and medical as well. again needs to be cheap as it would only be carried a couple times a year on trips. |
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My dad had been in downtown Madison for the last week for work. I think all he has for defense is a steak knife he stole from the restaurant on the first night, and will return on his last night there. He's flying to Dallas for work tomorrow or the next day. I might give him my Flux Raider to check in and take with him, and then I'll take the PDW to work for the next week. I'm very not happy about him being in retardville with only a knife for the past few days. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Seems like with such a short barrel, making it foldable doesn't gain you much. Like literally, it would stick out of the side and make it 3-dimentianally larger and more awkward to carry or store.
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Funny, as I just sold my original Sub2000 this morning and am happy with my Glock in a Recover 20/20 brace instead. This dovetail EGW mount works very well with it. Height is just right. 
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Here is the current iteration. G23 with an AIM 9mm conversion barrel. the Ameriglo 0.500 height front sight just barely clears the optic window. the forward mag holder I got from optics planet. Decent bag gun to replace the Sub2000 |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
General education should not be mere job training, but training in how to be fully human.
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Originally Posted By MRW: KelTec enters the discussion. Yes, it folds in half https://order.keltecweapons.com/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/f/a/factory_exclusive_sub-sdp_defender_1.jpg Their video is awesome.  Unlikely Allies | Introducing the KelTec SUB-SDP "Nub Sub" Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: Their video is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hvz4RtVC6UCocaine is a hell of a drug. That video will be the only reason I buy one, and I will. |
Originally Posted By JAD762:
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad.
And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about.
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad.
And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about.
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Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: Their video is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hvz4RtVC6UCocaine is a hell of a drug. I honestly think Kel Tec is messing with us with half their products. This is not one of them. THat being said I don't hate this. The folding doesn't seem to gain you much, but I've been curious about a braced Sub 2k for a while now. Not for me, but interesting idea. |
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7.5 FK propaganda Started a propaganda thread on the 7.5 FK round and PSD pistol. Linked here because Ive now put 150 rounds through mine (7.5 fk, 10mm and 40) and I sbr’d it, so it will be a PDW option for me once stamp clears. |
Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By MRW: Here is the current iteration. G23 with an AIM 9mm conversion barrel. the Ameriglo 0.500 height front sight just barely clears the optic window. the forward mag holder I got from optics planet. Decent bag gun to replace the Sub2000 https://i.imgur.com/KP2Q3Xw.jpg Originally Posted By MRW: Here is the current iteration. G23 with an AIM 9mm conversion barrel. the Ameriglo 0.500 height front sight just barely clears the optic window. the forward mag holder I got from optics planet. Decent bag gun to replace the Sub2000 https://i.imgur.com/KP2Q3Xw.jpg That turned out quite nice and it really does make for a very handy package! Originally Posted By 74novaman: 7.5 FK propaganda Started a propaganda thread on the 7.5 FK round and PSD pistol. Linked here because Ive now put 150 rounds through mine (7.5 fk, 10mm and 40) and I sbr’d it, so it will be a PDW option for me once stamp clears. Way too rich for my gun blood, but I really, really like that design and the ecosystm around it. Looking forward to hear how it does as a stocked PDW and I expect it would have exceptional accuracy with 7.5fk. ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By JAD762:
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad.
And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about.
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad.
And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about.
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Originally Posted By bcw107: It reminds me of the old Iver Johnson Enforcer. My son shooting the PS90 SBR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22973/1000035856-3817641.jpg Yeah, if the old 5.7mm Spitfire cartridge ever gained momentum, it would be very similar in concept; the capacity on the KP50 (or any firearm using the FN P90 mags) is not an insignificant factor! I like the PS90 concept (and repuation), I just never warmed up to it for myself. I would probably change my opinion if I handled and shot one a little more, but it was a game-changer in the PDW world. A few addtional KP50 observations: Kel-Tec kind of missed the mark on their top cover. The sides should have had MLOK slots vice holes as that would at least have given some realistic attachment points for lights or lasers. The charging handle rails seem flimy to me. Maybe I'm just more used to the AR platform with a stiff charging handle but the Kel-Tec just seems wierd in that it will flex a little when charging. Break down is very simple and the barrel is (oddly) fixed. Again, this isn't a "plastic" Kel-Tec like most of their firearms. It's probably 85% stamped or milled aluminum with some hardened steel in all the right places. ROCK6 |
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I got to feel (but not shoot) a Taurus with fold out brace. https://www.taurususa.com/product/pistols/taurus-gx4/taurus-gx4-strike-bravo-15rds-with-brace/ It really felt similar, but cheaper, than a 365 flux set up. The guy paid like $500 and change for it shipped to our shop from somewhere, so that and a red dot would make a damn decent glove box blaster. the charging handle can also be held forward with a thumb, which if suppressed with subs, should in theory make this a super budget Hush Puppy. |
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Originally Posted By Dolor: I honestly think Kel Tec is messing with us with half their products. This is not one of them. THat being said I don't hate this. The folding doesn't seem to gain you much, but I've been curious about a braced Sub 2k for a while now. Not for me, but interesting idea. I think the folding mechanism makes more sense if you consider putting a short suppressor on there to bring it back up roughly equal with the end of the brace. Kind of like a bring your own can version of the SUB-CQB. Plus they already have everything set up to make the foldy ones and making it not fold would mean extra design and tooling and money so why not
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My brother handled my Flux Raider at a shooting class and asked me to put one together for him.  I used more more slurs of various natures working on this thing than ever before in my life. More than most people use in an entire life. It's a cowitness cut slide on a Flux Raider chassis with a X300 Turbo, low mount AEMS, Haley Strategic skiing, gas pedal, and 7 AMAGs. |
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Reposting this from the suppressor subforum in case anyone is looking for a new suppressor for their PDW. I got recently got a BOE IncoLite 9 in and installed a Rugged RU3 tri-lug mount. Construction is 3D printed Inconel, and it's HUB threaded. 1.5 inch diameter. The suppressor itself was only $415 shipped and came with a direct thread adapter. I went with the 5 inch IncoLite 9. They make a 4 inch 9S and a modular version called the 9M.  The IncoLite 9 is slightly longer than my Obsidian 9 in short configuration but much shorter than the Obsidian in long form.  Weight is basically the same as the Obsidian in short configuration.  Now on to sound... It sounds like the full length Obsidian 9 to me but I've not got a super discerning ear. It absolutely stomps the Obsidian in short mode though. Couple of quick comparison vids. Obsidian (short) vs IncoLite 9:  Kuna - Rugged Obsidian 9 (short) vs BOE IncoLite 9 Obsidian 9 (long) vs IncoLite 9:  Kuna - Rugged Obsidian 9 (long) vs BOE IncoLite 9 So far, I'm impressed. I'd be interested in hearing how the 9S compares to the Shiv. It's slightly longer and heavier, but not by much. Mostly just due to the bigger diameter. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Seems like with such a short barrel, making it foldable doesn't gain you much. Just make it a fixed barrel and cut the cost a little more. Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By MRW: Yes, it folds in half Seems like with such a short barrel, making it foldable doesn't gain you much. Just make it a fixed barrel and cut the cost a little more. It makes alot more sense when it has a suppressor on it and no spare mag. |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Reposting this from the suppressor subforum in case anyone is looking for a new suppressor for their PDW. I got recently got a BOE IncoLite 9 in and installed a Rugged RU3 tri-lug mount. Construction is 3D printed Inconel, and it's HUB threaded. 1.5 inch diameter. The suppressor itself was only $415 shipped and came with a direct thread adapter. I went with the 5 inch IncoLite 9. They make a 4 inch 9S and a modular version called the 9M. https://i.imgur.com/zsIysgp.jpeg The IncoLite 9 is slightly longer than my Obsidian 9 in short configuration but much shorter than the Obsidian in long form. https://i.imgur.com/fo1DDNn.jpeg Weight is basically the same as the Obsidian in short configuration. https://i.imgur.com/jpXGelI.jpeg Now on to sound... It sounds like the full length Obsidian 9 to me but I've not got a super discerning ear. It absolutely stomps the Obsidian in short mode though. Couple of quick comparison vids. Obsidian (short) vs IncoLite 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu67zKdcKIUObsidian 9 (long) vs IncoLite 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSPnBGDX1wSo far, I'm impressed. I'd be interested in hearing how the 9S compares to the Shiv. It's slightly longer and heavier, but not by much. Mostly just due to the bigger diameter. That’s a good looking setup. |
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While not strictly a PDW question, @Rock6 and others seem to be good sources of information on things like this…what’s the go to lightweight 9mm can these days? Had an ECCOMachine Canine on my ‘to buy’ list for a bit along with a JK 105 CCX. Then the Shiv got talked about and there’s another printed can, but the reviews seem to be shit (B something or other manufacturer). If I want to go sans booster, shooting subsonic 147gr 9mm, in a Glock-esque gun, what’s the can I want? |
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Originally Posted By Burncycle: Finally chopped it for 12 round magazines, I had to resist intrusive thoughts to try for 10 Super pleased so far, overall height (top of optic to bottom of grip) is now a hair shorter than a G19 MOS, it's a lot easier to IWB now and even fits in a pocket. https://i.imgur.com/Z4kXErZ.jpeg Looks good! I really like my chopped full size raider |
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Originally Posted By Burncycle: Finally chopped it for 12 round magazines, I had to resist intrusive thoughts to try for 10 Super pleased so far, overall height (top of optic to bottom of grip) is now a hair shorter than a G19 MOS, it's a lot easier to IWB now and even fits in a pocket. https://i.imgur.com/Z4kXErZ.jpeg Originally Posted By Burncycle: Finally chopped it for 12 round magazines, I had to resist intrusive thoughts to try for 10 Super pleased so far, overall height (top of optic to bottom of grip) is now a hair shorter than a G19 MOS, it's a lot easier to IWB now and even fits in a pocket. https://i.imgur.com/Z4kXErZ.jpeg That turned out great! I would have to get a second Flux chassis to do that as I just bought a shit ton of full-size mags, but the carry profile would be a lot slimmer with that. Vry well done! Originally Posted By towerofpower94: While not strictly a PDW question, @Rock6 and others seem to be good sources of information on things like this…what’s the go to lightweight 9mm can these days? Had an ECCOMachine Canine on my ‘to buy’ list for a bit along with a JK 105 CCX. Then the Shiv got talked about and there’s another printed can, but the reviews seem to be shit (B something or other manufacturer). If I want to go sans booster, shooting subsonic 147gr 9mm, in a Glock-esque gun, what’s the can I want? Sans booster? You really need to go small and light. My best two are the Shiv and Canine II. The other reality is defining your ammo. I don't shoot a ton of subsonics in this format (not really the purpose). With supers, they run much more reliable and you just accept the extra "pop". These aren't really suppressed, but the smaller suppressors provide that smaller formfactor, and you still get quality performance ammo. ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By ROCK6: That turned out great! I would have to get a second Flux chassis to do that as I just bought a shit ton of full-size mags, but the carry profile would be a lot slimmer with that. Vry well done! ROCK6 Thank you! The feel in the hand with the 12 round magazine is very comparable to how a normal 10 round P365 with flush magazine feels, I was pleasantly surprised. It will still mostly live in a sling bag and won’t replace my subcompact for EDC, but it’s much easier to IWB occasionally if I ever needed to, even at 3 oclock with duty style pants. This will probably be the one I bring most often now, but I will still keep my full sized aluminum one… with the forward optic mount I think it will make an excellent host for a Holosun DPS-TH thermal if they ever end up releasing it |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: AST (I think) just put out a binary mode (regular and full freedom) trigger shoe for glocks. If one fits on the RXM style trigger bars, I’m thinking a Flux Raider style PDW would be great. Well don't elaborate on what "AST" stands for, or provide a link or anything... |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Well don't elaborate on what "AST" stands for, or provide a link or anything... https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1vygy4i/2_position_glock_forced_reset_trigger_under/ |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Looks like it's "ART", Advanced Reset Technologies. Looks selectable via a little cross button on the shoe, putting it in semi probably exposes the reset "finger" to a cut slot so it can sink into the shoe instead of push on the barrel. https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1vygy4i/2_position_glock_forced_reset_trigger_under/ There we are. I was thinking AST looked weird but couldn’t place it. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: If I want to go sans booster, shooting subsonic 147gr 9mm, in a Glock-esque gun, what’s the can I want? If reliability is important to you and you're shooting a browning tilting action....use a booster. Yeah, some lighter cans can mostly work direct thread. But you're still adding weight to a system that has to move a certain way to function, so if you want that gun to function reliably..... Just my .02 on it |
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I have the chance to pick up a Huxworx can pretty cheap, and get to pick.... do I go 9k Ti that will go on my Sig Fuse Flux or do I grab the 36 to throw on a rifle caliber rifle? I don't think the heavier 36 will fit or cycle where I'd carry the flux |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: AST (I think) just put out a binary mode (regular and full freedom) trigger shoe for glocks. If one fits on the RXM style trigger bars, I’m thinking a Flux Raider style PDW would be great. I’ve been trying to talk myself into and out of building a glock based PDW with a binary slide from Franklin Armory. I got the slide a year ago and I have to be honest-it’s a lot, LOT nicer than I expected it to be. The fit and finish are very much top notch-and this is coming from a 35 year Tool and Die maker than can look at a part, tell you how it was fixtured, machined, etc. Unfortunately, I have two problems: 1) the trigger feels like standard lawyerproof Glock levels of pull, and in the limited amount of range time I put on it the second round off of trigger release isn’t close enough to the first on target to really consider it any kind of value added kind of thing. But, in a chassis, my FRT’d glock is pretty effective, to the point that if I did go ahead and spend the money I would just convert to an FRT if the binary is a letdown. Problem is, I have more than one $2k handgun converted to 9mm PDW and the need really isn’t there. The second problem is that my Binary slide is G17 length. I want to put this on a JL Billet Reaper chassis, those use Ruger RXM fire control units…. I have yet to see one of those in the wild for sale-I don’t need to buy a complete gun, spend that money, and then have more parts laying around waiting to be built into something else I don’t need…. What to do, what to do…. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Looks like it's "ART", Advanced Reset Technologies. Looks selectable via a little cross button on the shoe, putting it in semi probably exposes the reset "finger" to a cut slot so it can sink into the shoe instead of push on the barrel. https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1vygy4i/2_position_glock_forced_reset_trigger_under/ Whoa… |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: I have the chance to pick up a Huxworx can pretty cheap, and get to pick.... do I go 9k Ti that will go on my Sig Fuse Flux or do I grab the 36 to throw on a rifle caliber rifle? I don't think the heavier 36 will fit or cycle where I'd carry the flux @steviesterno16, I like my Flow 9k Ti, but it will definitely need a pistol. Mine cycled but it was a little slow with heavier subs; much better with supers. ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By ROCK6: @steviesterno16, I like my Flow 9k Ti, but it will definitely need a pistol. Mine cycled but it was a little slow with heavier subs; much better with supers. ROCK6 @ rock6 did you mean it would need a piston? |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Whoa  First Two-Position Glock FRT |
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Originally Posted By MRW: KelTec enters the discussion. Yes, it folds in half https://order.keltecweapons.com/media/catalog/product/cache/74c1057f7991b4edb2bc7bdaa94de933/f/a/factory_exclusive_sub-sdp_defender_1.jpg 
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| FWIW guys, that FRT shown in the video above-he had problems getting it to mag dump-my Serpico Performance FRT will do the same thing if pull really hard but I have to force it. In the video he says he might need a stronger recoil spring, but I think it’s better to get a lighter disconnect or so you don’t have to pull very hard in the first place. These can be very reliable and even when they fail the gun isn’t down, you just let off the trigger and pull again. |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: @ rock6 did you mean it would need a piston? Well, it will need a pistol too Yeah, it will need a piston/booster assembly
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Attached File This was previously braced, but I took advantage of the current NFA injunction. Nothing super special, but folds up small and is super compact when extended. Has a MP5K size feel. Would be a great bag gun. |
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Originally Posted By Stillnothere: I know this is mildly off topic, but with suppressors being now much more available with the NFA removal, should easily replaceable wipes become more prevalent again in cans for duty use? Why would you want a wiped silencer? But if you do, it's already OK to replace wipes yourself. You're just not supposed to have more wipes made than can fit in your silencer at one time. Use a punch on a rubber sheet of the correct firmness and thickness and make your own as needed. |