Posted: 4/20/2016 7:34:10 PM EDT
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Tom Givens – Instructor Development Course – April 8-10, 2016 Florence, SC I was referred to Tom Givens by an instructor out of Virginia named John Murphy. I reviewed the AAR’s from Tom’s past students, discussed it with my colleagues and then enthusiasticlly enrolled online. Tom and his staff must have sent 4 emails in the weeks prior to the course telling us what to expect, what to bring and how to succeed. I even emailed Tom to inquire about the shooting tests involved and he sent me a list of ‘warmups’ that I could use to practice for the class. That says a lot about Tom. In the days prior to leaving for the class, I visited AR15.com to inquire about how much ammo I could take on the flight with me. Much to my chagrin, I found out the limit was 11lbs, which wasn’t going to cover the required 1,000 rounds. Some frantic searching and phone calling to Richard Wright, the course organizer, agreed to let me ship ammo to his house The first day of class were the basic introductions of Tom and his wife Lynn, who as an instructor, travels together with Tom to teach these courses all around the country. Next up were the student introductions. Tom called us up one by one and we talked about our backgrounds, our current work, and our goals. I make all of my carry students do this in class too, so it must now it was my turn. Admittedly it is a bit nerve wracking. Not knowing how good these other trainers were makes one second-guess his skill set. After the intros, Tom spent a great deal of time on safety. Something I was happy to see and something he reaffirmed for me; Safety is a full time job. Nobody committed any safety violations the entire weekend (that I knew/saw) and I found it very comforting to be sharing a hot range with compentent shooters. In other AAR’s on Tom’s classes, I kept hearing that Tom has his delivery down to his students. I have found in my teaching that when you find the simplest way to convey a point, where you know the students are ‘getting it’, you stick with it. Tom’s entire class is that way; which tells me what of course we already knew. He’s been doing this a long time. He’s got it all down to a science, and dare if I say, borderline automation. I had done my homework on Tom before going to the class. I read his articles, watched the very few youtube videos (sadly) of him I could find, and read the forum posts from past students of his classes. I noticed he used the same lines, even some of the same jokes or phrases. I know I’m guilty of this as well in my classes. When you find a joke that gets a laugh, but still makes the point, you keep using it. But I also know in my experience (which is literally about 1/8th of Tom’s, just for perspective), you use what works, but I did sense Tom was a little tired from his recent travels. I know he had just sold his range in Memphis and wad in the process of moving to Florida. So take it with a grain of salt. Now, before you trash me or believe I’m questioning Tom’s teaching skills or take this out of context, let me just say that Tom’s classes was worth every damn penny I paid. I had never heard of Tom Givens before I was referred to him, so I didn’t know what to expect. However when I was in his class, I hinged on every single word he spoke and for the most part, took everything he said as gospel. I’ve taken classes with Pincus and Yatch numerous other local guys, and let’s just say I can’t say the same for all the other instructors. Tom has a fantastic way of conveying his points, and he’s somebody you just immediately trust. He’s got that sort of strength. His speeches aren’t sugar coated, his teaching is concise and clear and his curicullum alone was worth the price of the class. I honestly had never learned so much in one sitting before. Lynn was absolutely sweet to work with; and she even helped us as we prepared for the written test by quietly telling us "you don’t need to know that”, or "you should probably study that”. (Don’t worry Tom, she really didn’t give anything away.) I even ran into Lynn early AM on day 2 at the local Subway as we were both getting our lunch for later in the day. Her and I talked and laughed and she was very approachable and likable. There are plenty of AAR’s on the shooting portions of this class. I won’t rehash it, and I’m not here to brag about my shooting scores. I passed. I wasn’t the worst shot, nor was I the best. Some of the students did not pass the course. But even though they got no certificate, they cannot say they went home empty-handed. The course is fantastic. However, if you’re planning on coming here to learn to shoot, this is NOT the correct class for that. I will say this: You can't be a slouch at shooting and pass this course. Yes, you shoot. A lot. But we spend so much time working on the different aspects that you really don’t get time to work out any kinks you have. Tom covers so many things that this isn’t the place to fix your shooting. If you can’t shoot coming in, take a different class or practice before coming. I practiced a TON of dry fire and range shooting before taking the class and I passed, but it wasn’t as good as I had hoped. Tom won’t pass you if you do not meet his exceedingly high expectations. His written, verbal and shooting tests require you to know what you are doing, be able to show that to students, AND explain WHY; not just say ‘because I said so’. I loved the format of the class, and while we were in class or on the range from 9a-6p every day I never once got bored. In fact I wished I could’ve had dinner with Tom and Lynn. I would’ve loved to learn more about them both, but I secretly wanted to spend like a month with Tom to get every single piece of info out of him. The man is a walking search engine for firearms and shooting. Tom, need any instructors? ;-) What can I say? I realize an AAR is supposed to be a ass-kissing otherwise they would never share it. And while I don’t really care if they share this AAR, I can say John Murphy out of Culpepper VA was right. Tom would tighten things up and he did. I’ve taken close to 10 other firearms or shooting classes in the past few years, and I honestly learned more NEW things in this class than I did in any 3 of the others combined. Usually when I take a class, if I learn 1 usable skill or tool, I consider it worthy. Tom’s class was so good I bought his book and 2 of his DVD’s. I’ll be teaching my first Defensive Shooting Class in June and I’m working on my curriculum for that class. Much of it will be from what Tom showed us; and I do believe that immitation is the greatest compliment. It’s not that I’m stealing what Tom showed me; I prefer to look at it as passing on something that’s proven to work; which is something Tom himself espouses. Thank You Tom and Lynn Givens. I look forward to seeing you both again soon. Maybe by then, I’ll have my first-round trigger issues worked out by then. A special Thank You to Richard Wright; for helping me out of my ammo pickle! It was a pleasure meeting you. |
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I've trained with Mas Ayoob, (all of his classes) Tom Givens, 3 Day Instructor Class and advanced 4 Day instructor class, Marty Hayes Tactical Handgun and he hosted both Tom and Mas. There are reasons that these instructors have made such a positive impact on shooting.
In Tom's case he holds your noses to the grindstone and will not lower his standards. However he and Lynn make an effort to reach every person in the course. I sponsored Tom and Lynn in Tucson at the Pima Pistol Club (They actually graded out a range for us. The Gator Farm) If you are going to take Tom's class you'd best come with a great attitude, open mind, fast pencil, and plenty of ammunition. They will be in Southern Arizona soon and if you are in the area I'd see if I could sign up now. |
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Quoted: I've trained with Mas Ayoob, (all of his classes) Tom Givens, 3 Day Instructor Class and advanced 4 Day instructor class, Marty Hayes Tactical Handgun and he hosted both Tom and Mas. There are reasons that these instructors have made such a positive impact on shooting. In Tom's case he holds your noses to the grindstone and will not lower his standards. However he and Lynn make an effort to reach every person in the course. I sponsored Tom and Lynn in Tucson at the Pima Pistol Club (They actually graded out a range for us. The Gator Farm) If you are going to take Tom's class you'd best come with a great attitude, open mind, fast pencil, and plenty of ammunition. They will be in Southern Arizona soon and if you are in the area I'd see if I could sign up now. What did you think of Mas Ayoob's classes? |
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I've trained with Mas Ayoob, (all of his classes) Tom Givens, 3 Day Instructor Class and advanced 4 Day instructor class, Marty Hayes Tactical Handgun and he hosted both Tom and Mas. There are reasons that these instructors have made such a positive impact on shooting. In Tom's case he holds your noses to the grindstone and will not lower his standards. However he and Lynn make an effort to reach every person in the course. I sponsored Tom and Lynn in Tucson at the Pima Pistol Club (They actually graded out a range for us. The Gator Farm) If you are going to take Tom's class you'd best come with a great attitude, open mind, fast pencil, and plenty of ammunition. They will be in Southern Arizona soon and if you are in the area I'd see if I could sign up now. What did you think of Mas Ayoob's classes? I sponsor Mas at least once a year. His MAG 40 class is a must for anyone who carries any weapon for self defense, period. He is a dynamic instructor. However we are desperately trying to change his taste for Rolling Rock Beer However this is a thread on Tom, what I want to show is how the great instructors work with each other. |
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Quoted: Great AAR. Just an FYI and not trying to be a dick but there is a forum here for just this type post. I hope they leave it here though just for the views. Thanks for the heads up. |
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Quoted: That's a pretty high round count for an advanced class. Was it mostly drills or static shooting for diagnostic purposes? We ended up shooting around 700 rounds. I think we shot 3 different warmups for the actual tests, then ran both tests twice (on the last day). We did shoot a lot of different drills, and also went through 1 handed shooting (strong/weak). Kneeling positions, etc. Pretty much a little bit of all the basics. Goal being to just have experience with all the things you'd need in a self defense situation. |
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Quoted: I sponsor Mas at least once a year. His MAG 40 class is a must for anyone who carries any weapon for self defense, period. He is a dynamic instructor. However we are desperately trying to change his taste for Rolling Rock Beer However this is a thread on Tom, what I want to show is how the great instructors work with each other. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've trained with Mas Ayoob, (all of his classes) Tom Givens, 3 Day Instructor Class and advanced 4 Day instructor class, Marty Hayes Tactical Handgun and he hosted both Tom and Mas. There are reasons that these instructors have made such a positive impact on shooting. In Tom's case he holds your noses to the grindstone and will not lower his standards. However he and Lynn make an effort to reach every person in the course. I sponsored Tom and Lynn in Tucson at the Pima Pistol Club (They actually graded out a range for us. The Gator Farm) If you are going to take Tom's class you'd best come with a great attitude, open mind, fast pencil, and plenty of ammunition. They will be in Southern Arizona soon and if you are in the area I'd see if I could sign up now. What did you think of Mas Ayoob's classes? I sponsor Mas at least once a year. His MAG 40 class is a must for anyone who carries any weapon for self defense, period. He is a dynamic instructor. However we are desperately trying to change his taste for Rolling Rock Beer However this is a thread on Tom, what I want to show is how the great instructors work with each other. |
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Quoted: Tom is a really good instructor. Unfortunately they closed down Rangemaster in Memphis and decided to travel to do classes. He don't pull any punches. He's straight to the point. Real good teacher. He knows his shit. Yeah I can honestly say I could take classes with him for years. He's the real deal. |
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Quoted: The win/loss record that Tom's students have amassed illustrates several things: 1. The quality and relevance of the instruction they received. 2. Their mindset 3. Memphis is a shit town. I agree. It's hard to argue the end results. I really do wish to take more of his courses as his instruction is top notch. And I agree about Memphis. Good lord some of his stories about that town. |
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I agree. It's hard to argue the end results. I really do wish to take more of his courses as his instruction is top notch. And I agree about Memphis. Good lord some of his stories about that town. Quoted:
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The win/loss record that Tom's students have amassed illustrates several things: 1. The quality and relevance of the instruction they received. 2. Their mindset 3. Memphis is a shit town. I agree. It's hard to argue the end results. I really do wish to take more of his courses as his instruction is top notch. And I agree about Memphis. Good lord some of his stories about that town. I live right outside memphis. I took few classes at rangemaster. I was just getting "into" guns. It sucks now that it is shut down, he doesn't really do much training here anymore. Not enough demand for it I'm sure. The area isn't "that bad" if you stay out of the bad areas, just like any other big town in the US. If you haven't done it, sign up for his newsletter on here is this months They put on a tactical conference every year also, just like everything else he has moved it from Memphis. tac.con It is pretty damn bad ass. |
