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Link Posted: 8/29/2015 9:33:21 PM EDT
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.





That said, before careful what you want.  






*EDIT, we've had a 125 gallon for close to 10 years.  My wife had larger before we got married.  


 

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Simple, Buy Ammo!
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Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.
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I'm tryin to be serious here, animals lives are on the line
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Craigslist Adult Services
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Help you spend your money?  Shit man, send it to me and I'll do the work of spending it for you.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 10:03:52 PM EDT
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I guess I would do the Top Fin starter kit...  But I think you will be disappointed eventually.  My beautiful 55 gal. ran fine on a Magnum 350 external filter, 4 inches of gravel, and dual T-5 lights (4 total) over simple glass covers.  

1. More filter never hurt anything; the extra surface area for "good" slime is what's important.

2. Plants like DEEP things to grow in.

3. Plants like LOTS of light- more than you think.  If you ever get a problem with algae, decrease the time a bit, get more plants or a mystery snail.  Maybe all three.  Bright, all spectrum lighting also makes the fish look nice.  

Be patient cycling the tank- cheap feeder goldfish for the first month or two, then the 99 cent platies/swordfish, than after a year or so you can get nice Rams or Discus.

My tank died a sudden death when it got a mysterious leak over night.  "Dad, half the fishtank is empty and the carpet is wet!"  I gave most of the plants and fish away on Craigslist that morning, sold the hardware later.  Make absolutely sure the stand is level and won't wobble.  Once it's in place you really can't move it.  

Check Craigslist for some pretty good deals- most of that stuff cleans up just fine with CLR and a sponge.
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Man I saw you wanted a tank and was psyched that you were going to buy an actual freaking military tank.  I don't know a lot about military tanks but when I came to the fishy pie as a choice, I knew I was in for a letdown.
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Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.



The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup.  Everything hides in a nice plastic shell.  Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever.  You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options.  The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box.  Which is better?  A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff.  Does it matter?  If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails;  AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well.  Plants?  Light.  Lots of it.  Lots and lots.  Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light.  Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens!  Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy.
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I guess I would do the Top Fin starter kit...  But I think you will be disappointed eventually.  My beautiful 55 gal. ran fine on a Magnum 350 external filter, 4 inches of gravel, and dual T-5 lights (4 total) over simple glass covers.  



1. More filter never hurt anything; the extra surface area for "good" slime is what's important.



2. Plants like DEEP things to grow in.



3. Plants like LOTS of light- more than you think.  If you ever get a problem with algae, decrease the time a bit, get more plants or a mystery snail.  Maybe all three.  Bright, all spectrum lighting also makes the fish look nice.  



Be patient cycling the tank- cheap feeder goldfish for the first month or two, then the 99 cent platies/swordfish, than after a year or so you can get nice Rams or Discus.



My tank died a sudden death when it got a mysterious leak over night.  "Dad, half the fishtank is empty and the carpet is wet!"  I gave most of the plants and fish away on Craigslist that morning, sold the hardware later.  Make absolutely sure the stand is level and won't wobble.  Once it's in place you really can't move it.  



Check Craigslist for some pretty good deals- most of that stuff cleans up just fine with CLR and a sponge.
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I have been on and off with freshwater tanks for a long time. I wish I was off right now. I'm too lazy to keep up with it.



 
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The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup.  Everything hides in a nice plastic shell.  Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever.  You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options.  The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box.  Which is better?  A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff.  Does it matter?  If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails;  AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well.  Plants?  Light.  Lots of it.  Lots and lots.  Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light.  Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens!  Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy.
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.


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Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.



The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup.  Everything hides in a nice plastic shell.  Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever.  You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options.  The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box.  Which is better?  A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff.  Does it matter?  If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails;  AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well.  Plants?  Light.  Lots of it.  Lots and lots.  Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light.  Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens!  Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy.


Two Jack Dempsey's and a few plants maybe, "sucker fish", and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 10:45:09 PM EDT
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I have to Marineland 55 gal tank

The led light are really nice
my tank died a few months ago... the only thing in it, a few clown fish when I introduced another one. so its sits empty right now

Tried medicating them but it didn't work

Quarantine new fish
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If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months.   Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now.

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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light.


If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months.   Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now.



Cool. I'm hoping that it helps bring out the colors on the fish and whatnot, and wont hurt anything.
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.
That said, before careful what you want.  






Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.


There is not, I don't like LED lights (they make your aqaurium look too blue), and I HATE those biowheel filters,  I threw mine out recently when the motor shit itself and got one of the cheapy top fin filters and it works just as well for half the cash.    





 
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If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months.   Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now.

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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light.


If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months.   Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now.


They are not dyed

They are GM by inserting  fluorescent protein genes into their genome... This is done once to generation one.. You can bree them and get more glow fish

They are the only legal GM pet in the US
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The second one says 20 gallons?
 
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.


That said, before careful what you want.  




Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.
The second one says 20 gallons?
 

You can select the size
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.





That said, before careful what you want.  









Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason.
The second one says 20 gallons?

 


You can select the size
I saw that, see my edit.



 
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 11:02:30 PM EDT
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... Wrong kind of "tank"
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants,  it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool.  Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy.
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No idea. Voted Marineland because it sounds like an amusement park with whores.
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants,  it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool.  Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy.
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What light would that be?
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Did not know that.  When I was messing with aquariums, the flourescent fish were the same Glass Fish, but strategically injected with fluorescent dye, but it was only in a few streaks on them and faded after a while.   I noticed the new ones were fully colored, but I  just thought they improved their process.  

Thanks for that bit of info!


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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light.


If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months.   Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now.


They are not dyed

They are GM by inserting  fluorescent protein genes into their genome... This is done once to generation one.. You can bree them and get more glow fish

They are the only legal GM pet in the US


Did not know that.  When I was messing with aquariums, the flourescent fish were the same Glass Fish, but strategically injected with fluorescent dye, but it was only in a few streaks on them and faded after a while.   I noticed the new ones were fully colored, but I  just thought they improved their process.  

Thanks for that bit of info!



No problem... They are marketed towards children but I honestly have two tanks with them simply because I found it so interesting

I think I am going to restart a 55 gal with them now that they have tetras and barbs
Some glow fish porn




I love this stuff
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of.


That said, before careful what you want.  




*EDIT, we've had a 125 gallon for close to 10 years.  My wife had larger before we got married.  
 



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That's awesome!  You sort of get all the pretty color fish of a saltwater tank without the massive expense and hassle of saltwater!

You now I never thought of that! But you are right... in fact most of those genes are are extracted from salt water creatures

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No problem... They are marketed towards children but I honestly have two tanks with them simply because I found it so interesting

I think I am going to restart a 55 gal with them now that they have tetras and barbs
Some glow fish porn

http://www.reef2rainforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/GloFish-Striped-Electric-Green-Barb.jpg
http://www.thatpetplace.com/core/media/media.nl?id=295854&c=1043140&h=4e96dbaf5c2aa59d9446
http://www.glofish.com/wp-content/gallery/danio/glofish-starfire-red-danios.jpg
I love this stuff



That's awesome!  You sort of get all the pretty color fish of a saltwater tank without the massive expense and hassle of saltwater!

You now I never thought of that! But you are right... in fact most of those genes are are extracted from salt water creatures

Link Posted: 8/30/2015 8:30:00 AM EDT
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How often should someone change the water and how much? I've seen 15%-50% once a month.
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants,  it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool.  Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy.

What light would that be?





These are what I use.
And just do everything brass says, he has his shit wired pretty tight.





You will have to do water changes pretty often, Cichlids are messy fish.  Get a water test kit when you buy your tank.  I do 10% a week, sometimes has to be twice a week if levels are high enough.





And welcome to the addiction. Cain, my 12" Oscar, has been humming along pretty good for a few years now, but he has a 55 gallon tank to himself, besides a big ass pleco, two feeders that he let live and are now almost 7" long, and a bunch of live plants that he likes to destroy when the mood suits him.  Watching an Oscar eat feeders makes it all worth while... though he recently ate my daughters beta when she thought it would be cool to put it in the big tank. I'm still in the doghouse for this.
 
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One last thing..

Do not use "Water Clarifier" chemicals.   The clouds are various types, and are a good visual symptom of something out of balance.  Whiteish is usually bacterial bloom, common with new tanks.

It's better to fix what's out of balance, usually a water change, filter fix, too much junk in gravel, etc.  Otherwise you'll go broke dumping the "Clear Water" chemical in your tank.

All the clarifiers do is make particles too small to be trapped by your filter system clump together so they will be trapped by your filter system.   If you do this with a new tank, the bacteria won't grab onto the gravel/rocks/decorations where it is needed to do it's job eliminating ammonia and other pollutants harmful to your fish.    

The one thing absolutely required to maintain a healthy aquarium cannot be purchased - Patience.

Things typically change over days and weeks, not minutes to  hours.

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That's what I'm getting, How do I fix it? The interwebs said to change some of the water or just leave it alone and it should go away in a week(which is better?). I washed everything but the filter tube before I placed it in the tank and have tried not to over feed them( I have two pellets in the water in case they get hungry)
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Buy a 55 gallon drum of rapeseed oil
sell knock-off FireClean at half price

profit
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How's it going?

You should be either at or through the Nitrite spike about now, with low ammonia levels.

Just add Seachem Prime 5mL/day until Nitrites have been turned into Nitrates, which are then cycled out through water changes.

If Nitrites get above 3ppm, water changes should be every other day, as that is when Prime "wears off" typically.    Once it's cycled (1 or 2 more weeks if it's left alone and heated), water changes will go to 10-15% every 2 weeks, or more ~30% once per month.  Then it's more for looking at than fussing with.  Fussing/rearranging/etc  should be kept to a minimum.

At this point, watch your pH in addition to Nitrites, a lot of acids get formed in this stage which can cause your pH to crash.   Don't try to adjust your pH, just make sure your KH/Alkalinity is OK with fresh water changes, you should get enough KH from tap water (KH is what keeps the pH stable, fish like stable, even if it isn't optimum).   In other words, it's better to have a stable pH 6.8 than an aquarium that bounces from 6.8 to 7.8 each week, this is attained by the KH/Alakalinity/"Usable Hardness" of your tap water, (the part water softeners remove).   KH also gets depleted in your tank from Nitric acid and other organics that the KH buffers so there aren't huge pH swings.    This is why you get fish that will live in the tap water of the pH of your area, and only worry about keeping KH > 50 ppm.    

To have more exotics, you'll end up buying deionized water, then adding back in a few pounds of minerals to make it hard water again.  Some go so far as to buy a reverse osmosis unit for their aquarium water, which makes every water change rather spendy, since fish can't live without anti-oxidants, minerals, vitamins, and electrolytes that come with tap water, those all need to be added to the RO water to make it "good".
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Thanks for the help. It was starting to clear up, but I went and replaced my faulty filter system and I think it set me back because it got really cloudy after I used the new one. I quit using the bacteria supplement as I've heard it isn't good for the longterm health of the tank, and I've pretty much stuck to prime and cleaning 10% of the tank every other day.

But I'm not sure how to feed my rapheal catfish because the JDs eat everything drop in the tank
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You should have an established tank by now.

The JD's are probably all you'll be able to keep alive in it, though.

You should have test strips by now (and at least 2 filters)

What are your readings for:
Nitrates
Nitrites ( should be zero)
Ammonia ( should be zero)
KH ( Should be > 100)
GH (> KH)
pH
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Only have one filter right now, If I get another one it will be a canister like you suggested. I still haven't decided.

I have three JDs, two mystery snail, and one rapheal catfish. I for sure will be getting rid of one of the JDs in a couple of months, and I'm thinking that by time the JDs are fully grown the snails should have died. They only live a year or so. I've been removing 10% of the water just about everyday or every other day and it's just about 100% clear. I'll probably move up to a 150 gallon tank in a year or so.

I'll look at test strips tomorrow and let you know.

NO3  20
NO2  2
PH    6
KH   20
GH   15

edit ammonia is 1.5ish  im using an api liquid test kit

All of them are rough estimates since my API test kit doesn't really give me a number, and of course it doesn't include ammonia. I've been adding a TON of prime every time I change the water so I know I don't have to worry about it killing them
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