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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of. That said, before careful what you want. *EDIT, we've had a 125 gallon for close to 10 years. My wife had larger before we got married. |
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I guess I would do the Top Fin starter kit... But I think you will be disappointed eventually. My beautiful 55 gal. ran fine on a Magnum 350 external filter, 4 inches of gravel, and dual T-5 lights (4 total) over simple glass covers.
1. More filter never hurt anything; the extra surface area for "good" slime is what's important. 2. Plants like DEEP things to grow in. 3. Plants like LOTS of light- more than you think. If you ever get a problem with algae, decrease the time a bit, get more plants or a mystery snail. Maybe all three. Bright, all spectrum lighting also makes the fish look nice. Be patient cycling the tank- cheap feeder goldfish for the first month or two, then the 99 cent platies/swordfish, than after a year or so you can get nice Rams or Discus. My tank died a sudden death when it got a mysterious leak over night. "Dad, half the fishtank is empty and the carpet is wet!" I gave most of the plants and fish away on Craigslist that morning, sold the hardware later. Make absolutely sure the stand is level and won't wobble. Once it's in place you really can't move it. Check Craigslist for some pretty good deals- most of that stuff cleans up just fine with CLR and a sponge. |
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Man I saw you wanted a tank and was psyched that you were going to buy an actual freaking military tank. I don't know a lot about military tanks but when I came to the fishy pie as a choice, I knew I was in for a letdown.
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of. That said, before careful what you want. Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason. The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup. Everything hides in a nice plastic shell. Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever. You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options. The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box. Which is better? A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff. Does it matter? If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails; AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well. Plants? Light. Lots of it. Lots and lots. Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light. Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens! Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy. |
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Marineland makes good stuff.
The "kits" provide just enough to make you realize how much more you need, and the Top Fish sort of skimps in a few areas. Even with the Marineland kit, I'd suggest at least doubling the fitlering that comes with it, an external canister is best, in addition to the hang on back biowheel filter that is included. I'd personally set up my own "kit" by grabbing the best of the various components, but still stick with two types of filters, that way one can fail and you don't lose all of your biological filtering. Be sure to get a bottle of the "New Tank Boost" of beneficial bacteria to make it less of a death trap, still let it run for a week full of water, but without fish, to let the biome build up and get your filters primed, then have a few cheap fish for a month. The water will be cloudy on and off, but that will level out. Once everything lives for 3 months, add the fish you really want (the ones that cost over $5). You'll probably also want to double the lighting, LEDs give great light for the power used, the blue and white combos really bring out colors, much better than the aquatic flourescent tubes. The actual "starter kit" is the cheap part. The filtering systems ($$), aquarium stand ($), extra lighting (like filters, more is better!), chemicals, testing kits, several sets of filter media for both included biowheel and canister filter, cleaning/water change setup, and a bunch of other little things add up quick. Think about $350 in addition to what the "kit" includes by the time you are all done. Plus fish cost, just so you know now. Must Read - top 10 mistake new to fish make Stocking a tank - Tips and species Example list for a 10 gallon tank, some applies to a 55 Use This Calculator to decide on your desired fish, tank capacity, and filtering needed (It will also let you know if you are "clashing" fish, getting aggressive ones, livebearing ones, etc). That calculator gives you FAR more knowledge than any pet store employee could help you with. Pet store people will steer you directly wrong more often than not. After taking a peek at those short articles, spend a few hours on YouTube for Aquarium instructions and suggestions, so you don't make all the mistakes again yourself. That time is never "wasted". |
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Quoted: I guess I would do the Top Fin starter kit... But I think you will be disappointed eventually. My beautiful 55 gal. ran fine on a Magnum 350 external filter, 4 inches of gravel, and dual T-5 lights (4 total) over simple glass covers. 1. More filter never hurt anything; the extra surface area for "good" slime is what's important. 2. Plants like DEEP things to grow in. 3. Plants like LOTS of light- more than you think. If you ever get a problem with algae, decrease the time a bit, get more plants or a mystery snail. Maybe all three. Bright, all spectrum lighting also makes the fish look nice. Be patient cycling the tank- cheap feeder goldfish for the first month or two, then the 99 cent platies/swordfish, than after a year or so you can get nice Rams or Discus. My tank died a sudden death when it got a mysterious leak over night. "Dad, half the fishtank is empty and the carpet is wet!" I gave most of the plants and fish away on Craigslist that morning, sold the hardware later. Make absolutely sure the stand is level and won't wobble. Once it's in place you really can't move it. Check Craigslist for some pretty good deals- most of that stuff cleans up just fine with CLR and a sponge. View Quote I have been on and off with freshwater tanks for a long time. I wish I was off right now. I'm too lazy to keep up with it. |
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The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup. Everything hides in a nice plastic shell. Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever. You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options. The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box. Which is better? A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff. Does it matter? If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails; AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well. Plants? Light. Lots of it. Lots and lots. Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light. Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens! Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of. That said, before careful what you want. Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason. The reason is the integration of the Marineland setup. Everything hides in a nice plastic shell. Looks very nice, but it will be work if something craps out- lights, air pump, whatever. You're gonna pay out the nose for brand name filters, see YouTube for cheaper (and probably better) options. The other kit just has XYZ stuff thrown in the box. Which is better? A "buy once, cry once" setup that has 2-4 times the filtering and light capacity of the prepackaged stuff. Does it matter? If you want cheap fish (mollies, platies, swordtails; AKA live-bearers) then no, those fish are tough, and tolerate off-kilter chemistry well. Plants? Light. Lots of it. Lots and lots. Too little and you will have spindly, stringy plants that try to grow to the top of the tank for more light. Plastic plants don't care about no stinkin' lumens! Get enough light and you will have lush, vibrant plants that grow quickly and get wide and bushy to absorb more energy. Two Jack Dempsey's and a few plants maybe, "sucker fish", and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light. |
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I have to Marineland 55 gal tank
The led light are really nice my tank died a few months ago... the only thing in it, a few clown fish when I introduced another one. so its sits empty right now Tried medicating them but it didn't work Quarantine new fish |
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If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months. Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light. If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months. Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now. Cool. I'm hoping that it helps bring out the colors on the fish and whatnot, and wont hurt anything. |
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Quoted: Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of. That said, before careful what you want. Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason. There is not, I don't like LED lights (they make your aqaurium look too blue), and I HATE those biowheel filters, I threw mine out recently when the motor shit itself and got one of the cheapy top fin filters and it works just as well for half the cash. |
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If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months. Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light. If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months. Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now. They are not dyed They are GM by inserting fluorescent protein genes into their genome... This is done once to generation one.. You can bree them and get more glow fish They are the only legal GM pet in the US |
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The larger the aquarium, the EASIER it is to take care of. That said, before careful what you want. Well, they are both 55. But there is $100 difference and I'm wondering if there is a reason. You can select the size |
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants, it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool. Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy.
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They are not dyed They are GM by inserting fluorescent protein genes into their genome... This is done once to generation one.. You can bree them and get more glow fish They are the only legal GM pet in the US View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... and maybe a snail or two. i was thinking of using a black light. If you get more than "A snail", you will have a tank full of snails in 6 months. Blue and UV LED lighting are common due to the number of artificially dyed "glow fish" sold now. They are not dyed They are GM by inserting fluorescent protein genes into their genome... This is done once to generation one.. You can bree them and get more glow fish They are the only legal GM pet in the US Did not know that. When I was messing with aquariums, the flourescent fish were the same Glass Fish, but strategically injected with fluorescent dye, but it was only in a few streaks on them and faded after a while. I noticed the new ones were fully colored, but I just thought they improved their process. Thanks for that bit of info! |
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No idea. Voted Marineland because it sounds like an amusement park with whores.
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants, it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool. Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy. View Quote What light would that be? |
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No problem... They are marketed towards children but I honestly have two tanks with them simply because I found it so interesting I think I am going to restart a 55 gal with them now that they have tetras and barbs Some glow fish porn http://www.reef2rainforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/GloFish-Striped-Electric-Green-Barb.jpg http://www.thatpetplace.com/core/media/media.nl?id=295854&c=1043140&h=4e96dbaf5c2aa59d9446 http://www.glofish.com/wp-content/gallery/danio/glofish-starfire-red-danios.jpg I love this stuff View Quote That's awesome! You sort of get all the pretty color fish of a saltwater tank without the massive expense and hassle of saltwater! |
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That's awesome! You sort of get all the pretty color fish of a saltwater tank without the massive expense and hassle of saltwater! You now I never thought of that! But you are right... in fact most of those genes are are extracted from salt water creatures View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No problem... They are marketed towards children but I honestly have two tanks with them simply because I found it so interesting I think I am going to restart a 55 gal with them now that they have tetras and barbs Some glow fish porn http://www.reef2rainforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/GloFish-Striped-Electric-Green-Barb.jpg http://www.thatpetplace.com/core/media/media.nl?id=295854&c=1043140&h=4e96dbaf5c2aa59d9446 http://www.glofish.com/wp-content/gallery/danio/glofish-starfire-red-danios.jpg I love this stuff That's awesome! You sort of get all the pretty color fish of a saltwater tank without the massive expense and hassle of saltwater! You now I never thought of that! But you are right... in fact most of those genes are are extracted from salt water creatures |
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How often should someone change the water and how much? I've seen 15%-50% once a month.
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How often should someone change the water and how much? I've seen 15%-50% once a month. View Quote Depending on stocking level, about 10% weekly, plus 30% monthly, or however much it takes to get the gravel clean. Filter Changes (cleaning or replacement of mechanical mesh filter and new activated carbon to replace the clogged stuff) happen Monthly, generally one filter system at a time, staggered by 2 weeks. NEVER do a 100% water change, or even 50% unless something is horribly wrong, it'll do more damage then benefit! As the tank is stabilized past 6 months (water is always clear, fishies always live happily), 10% per week (no deep gravel suction cleaning, just the surface of substrate and replace -- 5 minutes total). That calculator link above will tell you the percentage change and how often. These get extended a bit with a good filtration system (2 units rated for 55 gallon tanks, in your case, one hang on back, one canister), but even 1000% filter capacity does NOT mean you can ignore water changes! The reason for changing the water is simple: Dilution is the Solution to Pollution Here's the cycle: The bacterial "slime"/beneficial bacteria in the tank convert fish waste into ammonia and nitrates and phosphates The bacteria and decomposition of uneaten fish food also turns into ammonia Another type of bacteria, which takes longer to form (hence "cycling" a new tank), converts all of that ammonia into nitrates The Activated carbon in your filter will trap heavy metals, odor causing molecules, and some other stuff, but NOT Nitrate or Ammonia or Phosphates. In a filter, you can get Zeolite or other (rather expensive) absorbent for ammonia, but no such thing exists for nitrates (and phosphates). You may need to use some of this in the beginning if you have ammonia spikes, but don't use it all the time, since the bacteria that create a complete biological filter need a bit of that ammonia as food. The Nitrates and Phosphates build up, so you must change water to remove those. This is much more difficult in a saltwater tank, since maintaining pH and salinity also factor in, so freshwater is "easier". Not to mention saltwater fish are much more sensitive to pH, nitrates, and phosphates... Live plants help in the "Nitrogen Cycle" of aquariums, but, like filters, do not alleviate the requirement of water changes. Reason water changes are fast: Get a 5 gallon bucket and a large/long siphon. Suck out until bucket is full. Dump bucket. Fill bucket with fresh water. Add Dechlorinator, and top off tank. No fancy guessing about "how much 10% is" and so on. For a smaller tank, a 3 gallon bucket works for same purpose, taking a larger percentage, but larger percentages are needed for smaller tanks, since pollutants increase much more rapidly as the volume is far lower. |
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Spend a few minutes and read this: Art and Science of Aquarium Management (PDF) It's from Seachem, who makes excellent stuff for both freshwater and saltwater, so the article covers both.
It explains the chemistry of what is going on inside your tank and what the different parts of the nitrogen cycle are, complete with the actual chemical formulas for the geeky, though you can read it without knowing a bunch of chemistry. I suggest Aqueon or Seachem water conditioners/bacteria starting load/charcoal/etc. The Tetra brand is sort of the wal-mart of fish supplies (Good fish food, though, I used their "Tetra Crisps", which sink slowly to feed both top, middle, and bottom feeding fish). Tetra may have improved in the past few years, somebody feel free to correct me on that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants, it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool. Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy. What light would that be? These are what I use. And just do everything brass says, he has his shit wired pretty tight. You will have to do water changes pretty often, Cichlids are messy fish. Get a water test kit when you buy your tank. I do 10% a week, sometimes has to be twice a week if levels are high enough. And welcome to the addiction. Cain, my 12" Oscar, has been humming along pretty good for a few years now, but he has a 55 gallon tank to himself, besides a big ass pleco, two feeders that he let live and are now almost 7" long, and a bunch of live plants that he likes to destroy when the mood suits him. Watching an Oscar eat feeders makes it all worth while... though he recently ate my daughters beta when she thought it would be cool to put it in the big tank. I'm still in the doghouse for this. |
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One last thing..
Do not use "Water Clarifier" chemicals. The clouds are various types, and are a good visual symptom of something out of balance. Whiteish is usually bacterial bloom, common with new tanks. It's better to fix what's out of balance, usually a water change, filter fix, too much junk in gravel, etc. Otherwise you'll go broke dumping the "Clear Water" chemical in your tank. All the clarifiers do is make particles too small to be trapped by your filter system clump together so they will be trapped by your filter system. If you do this with a new tank, the bacteria won't grab onto the gravel/rocks/decorations where it is needed to do it's job eliminating ammonia and other pollutants harmful to your fish. The one thing absolutely required to maintain a healthy aquarium cannot be purchased - Patience. Things typically change over days and weeks, not minutes to hours. |
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One last thing.. Do not use "Water Clarifier" chemicals. The clouds are various types, and are a good visual symptom of something out of balance. Whiteish is usually bacterial bloom, common with new tanks. It's better to fix what's out of balance, usually a water change, filter fix, too much junk in gravel, etc. Otherwise you'll go broke dumping the "Clear Water" chemical in your tank. All the clarifiers do is make particles too small to be trapped by your filter system clump together so they will be trapped by your filter system. If you do this with a new tank, the bacteria won't grab onto the gravel/rocks/decorations where it is needed to do it's job eliminating ammonia and other pollutants harmful to your fish. The one thing absolutely required to maintain a healthy aquarium cannot be purchased - Patience. Things typically change over days and weeks, not minutes to hours. View Quote That's what I'm getting, How do I fix it? The interwebs said to change some of the water or just leave it alone and it should go away in a week(which is better?). I washed everything but the filter tube before I placed it in the tank and have tried not to over feed them( I have two pellets in the water in case they get hungry) |
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That's what I'm getting, How do I fix it? The interwebs said to change some of the water or just leave it alone and it should go away in a week(which is better?). I washed everything but the filter tube before I placed it in the tank and have tried not to over feed them( I have two pellets in the water in case they get hungry) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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One last thing.. Do not use "Water Clarifier" chemicals. The clouds are various types, and are a good visual symptom of something out of balance. Whiteish is usually bacterial bloom, common with new tanks. It's better to fix what's out of balance, usually a water change, filter fix, too much junk in gravel, etc. Otherwise you'll go broke dumping the "Clear Water" chemical in your tank. All the clarifiers do is make particles too small to be trapped by your filter system clump together so they will be trapped by your filter system. If you do this with a new tank, the bacteria won't grab onto the gravel/rocks/decorations where it is needed to do it's job eliminating ammonia and other pollutants harmful to your fish. The one thing absolutely required to maintain a healthy aquarium cannot be purchased - Patience. Things typically change over days and weeks, not minutes to hours. That's what I'm getting, How do I fix it? The interwebs said to change some of the water or just leave it alone and it should go away in a week(which is better?). I washed everything but the filter tube before I placed it in the tank and have tried not to over feed them( I have two pellets in the water in case they get hungry) Just feed a small pinch of food once per day to feed half a dozen fish. I'd suggest getting two products: Seachem Prime (dechlorinator, ammonia neutralizer, other stuff) and Seachem Stability (Good bacteria, boost to new tank, it is NOT a chemical band aid). For first 10 days of tank: to get it back into some balance and started right, do the following: 10% water change DAILY. It'll be cloudy for the first month to varying degrees. This 10% doesn't have to come from the gravel, unless there's food laying there. Add 1mL of Prime per 10 gallons to replacement water. Add replacement water into tank after Prime has been in tap water for 20 seconds. Add 5mL of Stability per 10 gallons of water to aquarium itself. --NOTE: The common ammonia test kits will read insane levels of Ammonia if you are using Seachem Prime. This is normal. Prime simply binds ammonia up so it is not biologically active (doesn't hurt fish). If the pH of the water goes above 12, that binding chemical 'breaks'. So if your ammonia test kit requires you to sample water and put it in a separate container, then shake/move stick around before comparing to a test strip, it's going to read wrong when using Prime. Basically, you don't need to worry about ammonia if you are using Prime and Stability according to label directions, that's on their site that I linked above. People have reported getting a New Aquarium populated on day 1 with water following the above directions. Seachem products cost a few dollars more, but are worth every penny. Avoid Tetra brand stuff (other than food), and for the most part, avoid any other "Additives" to the aquarium until you know what you need. Tetra stuff also tends to be "use by teaspoon" while the higher end products are "use by drops or syringe". So the same size bottle will last far longer for a good product over the cheaper store brand and Tetra brand dechlorinators. Also to note is if your water has Chloramine as drinking water treatment, the cheap dechlorinators release ammonia when you are trying to get rid of chloramine with them. Prime avoids or fixes all those issues. The $9 bottle of prime will last you over a year, the $10 bottle of stability will get the bacteria in your tank started with the correct bacteria and settled sooner. Change out 10% of the water, remove all food, vacation blocks aren't a good food source, fish will eat literally until their stomachs explode, so you must control their feeding so they grow, but don't get sick due to too much food. ANY food not eaten within 2 minutes is too much food. Feed once per day. If you enjoy watching your fish eat, feed twice per day, but smaller pinches each time. Just so no food is sitting on the gravel after 5 minutes and you are doing the right amounts. Once your biological filter gets established, the cloudiness will fade, and literally vanish overnight at some point (3 weeks-ish), leaving you with crystal clear water. Read This - The First 30 Days It covers everything you'll see, so there aren't surprises. Add in the other links above and you should have a pretty good library to find questions from. Also See This (pretty good overall site) Note: If you see a page suggesting using water clarifiers, air bubblers, adjusting the pH (with a freshwater tank), adjusting the temperature, adding Zeolite as a "fix", look for a better source of information! Read This to correct "knowledge" imparted by pet store employees |
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I would also avoid the UV light, get a light that encourages plant growth if using live plants, it puts off a really nice color of light and Dempsys look cool. Make sure you have plenty of algae control though, the light also makes that shit grow like crazy. What light would that be? With LEDs, the ones with Red LEDs sprinkled in with the white and blue, but the bright white LEDs will keep plants alive just fine, as long as you have enough lighting. I'd put 2 55 gallon rated LED lights on a 55 gallon, because I like to see, and have plants. Plus, just like filters, the "good for x gallon tank rating" is usually overstated by 50%. |
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How's it going?
You should be either at or through the Nitrite spike about now, with low ammonia levels. Just add Seachem Prime 5mL/day until Nitrites have been turned into Nitrates, which are then cycled out through water changes. If Nitrites get above 3ppm, water changes should be every other day, as that is when Prime "wears off" typically. Once it's cycled (1 or 2 more weeks if it's left alone and heated), water changes will go to 10-15% every 2 weeks, or more ~30% once per month. Then it's more for looking at than fussing with. Fussing/rearranging/etc should be kept to a minimum. At this point, watch your pH in addition to Nitrites, a lot of acids get formed in this stage which can cause your pH to crash. Don't try to adjust your pH, just make sure your KH/Alkalinity is OK with fresh water changes, you should get enough KH from tap water (KH is what keeps the pH stable, fish like stable, even if it isn't optimum). In other words, it's better to have a stable pH 6.8 than an aquarium that bounces from 6.8 to 7.8 each week, this is attained by the KH/Alakalinity/"Usable Hardness" of your tap water, (the part water softeners remove). KH also gets depleted in your tank from Nitric acid and other organics that the KH buffers so there aren't huge pH swings. This is why you get fish that will live in the tap water of the pH of your area, and only worry about keeping KH > 50 ppm. To have more exotics, you'll end up buying deionized water, then adding back in a few pounds of minerals to make it hard water again. Some go so far as to buy a reverse osmosis unit for their aquarium water, which makes every water change rather spendy, since fish can't live without anti-oxidants, minerals, vitamins, and electrolytes that come with tap water, those all need to be added to the RO water to make it "good". |
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Buy a 55 gallon drum of rapeseed oil
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How's it going? You should be either at or through the Nitrite spike about now, with low ammonia levels. Just add Seachem Prime 5mL/day until Nitrites have been turned into Nitrates, which are then cycled out through water changes. If Nitrites get above 3ppm, water changes should be every other day, as that is when Prime "wears off" typically. Once it's cycled (1 or 2 more weeks if it's left alone and heated), water changes will go to 10-15% every 2 weeks, or more ~30% once per month. Then it's more for looking at than fussing with. Fussing/rearranging/etc should be kept to a minimum. At this point, watch your pH in addition to Nitrites, a lot of acids get formed in this stage which can cause your pH to crash. Don't try to adjust your pH, just make sure your KH/Alkalinity is OK with fresh water changes, you should get enough KH from tap water (KH is what keeps the pH stable, fish like stable, even if it isn't optimum). In other words, it's better to have a stable pH 6.8 than an aquarium that bounces from 6.8 to 7.8 each week, this is attained by the KH/Alakalinity/"Usable Hardness" of your tap water, (the part water softeners remove). KH also gets depleted in your tank from Nitric acid and other organics that the KH buffers so there aren't huge pH swings. This is why you get fish that will live in the tap water of the pH of your area, and only worry about keeping KH > 50 ppm. To have more exotics, you'll end up buying deionized water, then adding back in a few pounds of minerals to make it hard water again. Some go so far as to buy a reverse osmosis unit for their aquarium water, which makes every water change rather spendy, since fish can't live without anti-oxidants, minerals, vitamins, and electrolytes that come with tap water, those all need to be added to the RO water to make it "good". View Quote Thanks for the help. It was starting to clear up, but I went and replaced my faulty filter system and I think it set me back because it got really cloudy after I used the new one. I quit using the bacteria supplement as I've heard it isn't good for the longterm health of the tank, and I've pretty much stuck to prime and cleaning 10% of the tank every other day. But I'm not sure how to feed my rapheal catfish because the JDs eat everything drop in the tank |
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Are you using 2 separate filters?
One thing you can do, if you still have media from your old filter, is add it to the tank, so the bacteria get a "jump start". With one filter, you are killing about 1/2 of your biological filtration every time you replace it. I used the cheap tetra whisper "bags", and would rinse them in used aquarium water (at water changes) for months, until they were almost falling apart, before replacing (A Box of 4 bags would last almost a year). Then I'd only replace one at a time, giving at least 2 weeks for the bacteria to get onto the new filter before replacing (not just rinsing) the other one (even if it was overflowing full). Never rinse in untreated tap water, the chlorine will kill all of the bacteria you've been patiently culturing! The cloudiness will hang around for the first two months or so, that might have been set back, without knowing the nitrite and ammonia levels, can't give a guess. As to The Nitrogen Cycle, you see it in stages at first, then once the aquarium is "Cycled" (continual Nitrogen cycle functioning), these things happen concurrently: Waste is converted into Ammonia/Ammonium (NH3/NH4), Amonnium is formed with Prime or pH > 7.5, while ammonia is the form with lower pH. (also plant food) Bacteria Trades the Hydrogen for an oxygen, giving you NitrItes (NO2), which are toxic, but about 10 times less toxic than ammonia, but still harmful above 3ppm. Another type of bacteria converts the Nitrite into NitrAte (NO3), which is relatively harmless to fish (below 20ppm or so) and a live plant fertilizer. Water changes keep this below 20ppm All 3 of those produce acids which will lower pH, which is the reason to keep your eye on the KH in your tank during this part, essentially daily. More frequent water changes needed to keep KH up and NitrItes down during this time if overfeeding to avoid a "pH crash", where it will literally drop a point overnight (10 times more acidic), fish don't like that. Ammonia Sources - 1 day to 2 week (Aquarium gets very hazy) Nitrite bacteria - 2-4 weeks (Aquarium is milky, but ok) Nitrate bacteria formed 3-6 weeks (Haziness decreases, then vanishes, unless something else is wrong, worry about it then....) The waste of each bacteria stage is food for the next. To figure out where you are at, get test strip 25 pack or test kit (200+ tests for each) for 2x as much. With Prime, you can only use a SeaChem Ammonia Alert Badge, which measures free NH3 (Ammonia) and not the non-bioavailable NH4 Ammonium, which is what Prime makes ammonia into, no matter the pH. When the water goes from clear to cloudy at first, you are in your ammonia stage, testing will show little to no Nitrites or Nitrates. After 2-4 weeks, the bacteria form that convert ammonia into Nitrites, this is when you need to start watching your KH, to avoid a pH crash, if your tap water is low in KH, if you have over 120KH in tap water, you are fine. After another 1-3 weeks, you'll see the Nitrites dropping and the NitrAtes going up. This also creates acids which "use up" your KH/Alkalinity, and Oxygen, so ensure good circulation. When ammonia and Nitrites zero or one color from zero on tests, and Nitrates are rising, your tank is "Cycled/Nitrogen Cycle Functioning" aka "Running". Then you only have water changes to worry about. Do Not overfeed. Fish grow amazingly fast, and even if dropping in a little bit each day, those hungry will get food. Though with your tank, they still may be fighting for heirarchy, so I'd add some SeaChem StressGuard if there are wounds, it works differently than all the other "Stress" products by actually preventing infection and only latching onto the wounds to help heal, rather than sliming the fish with Aloe Vera (essentially what the common "Stress Chemicals" are). |
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You should have an established tank by now.
The JD's are probably all you'll be able to keep alive in it, though. You should have test strips by now (and at least 2 filters) What are your readings for: Nitrates Nitrites ( should be zero) Ammonia ( should be zero) KH ( Should be > 100) GH (> KH) pH ? |
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You should have an established tank by now. The JD's are probably all you'll be able to keep alive in it, though. You should have test strips by now (and at least 2 filters) What are your readings for: Nitrates Nitrites ( should be zero) Ammonia ( should be zero) KH ( Should be > 100) GH (> KH) pH ? View Quote Only have one filter right now, If I get another one it will be a canister like you suggested. I still haven't decided. I have three JDs, two mystery snail, and one rapheal catfish. I for sure will be getting rid of one of the JDs in a couple of months, and I'm thinking that by time the JDs are fully grown the snails should have died. They only live a year or so. I've been removing 10% of the water just about everyday or every other day and it's just about 100% clear. I'll probably move up to a 150 gallon tank in a year or so. I'll look at test strips tomorrow and let you know. NO3 20 NO2 2 PH 6 KH 20 GH 15 edit ammonia is 1.5ish im using an api liquid test kit All of them are rough estimates since my API test kit doesn't really give me a number, and of course it doesn't include ammonia. I've been adding a TON of prime every time I change the water so I know I don't have to worry about it killing them |
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I'll look at test strips tomorrow and let you know. NO3 20 NO2 2 PH 6 KH 20 GH 15 edit ammonia is 1.5ish im using an api liquid test kit All of them are rough estimates since my API test kit doesn't really give me a number, and of course it doesn't include ammonia. I've been adding a TON of prime every time I change the water so I know I don't have to worry about it killing them View Quote Are your KH/GH in degrees or PPM? 1 degree of hardness (alk or general) is 17.9 ppm. Don't chase your pH, but you'll want to get it to 6.8 to 7.5 using a little seachem Malawi Buffer and maybe a touch of Cichlid salt for the minerals that Cichlid's need, but they are pretty durable, you don't need to do that unless you want optimum color and minimal disease. |
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