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7/29/2004 4:58:54 PM EDT
As I was pondering the AWB sunset I had a thought.

If Fienstein and crew are so adamant about the extension of the AWB why did they vote for the originial AWB when it included the 10 year sunset.  That is a point that I think should be approached when these individuals are being interviewed.

Not a troll just a lurker

Alan
7/29/2004 5:01:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Probally because that is all they could get the congress to agree to.
7/29/2004 5:01:23 PM EDT
[#2]
It was a compromise........some or nothing.
7/29/2004 5:01:39 PM EDT
[#3]
it wouldn't have passed w/o it
7/29/2004 5:02:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Little tiny baby steps and slowly take away our freedom unnoticed.
7/29/2004 6:05:11 PM EDT
[#5]
It only passed by TWO votes, and only after long arm twisting.  PLUS, the Speaker held the vote open long after the clock had run out, while arms were twisted to get them to vote for the AWB.  Just as soon as those two votes were cast, in order to keep anyone from changing their vote, the Speaker banged the gavel just as soon as those two votes rolled in.

Remember, a LOT of Dems lost seats in the next election because of the AWB.  The ONLY way they got it passed was with the sunset provision AND the grandfathering of existing firearms.  

There is no way it could have passed without sunset or grandfathering.

And now we have 10 years of proof that it does not work.

And it was editorialized that the real benefit of the AWB was "to desensitize the people to more and more gun control laws."
7/29/2004 7:55:57 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
And it was editorialized that the real benefit of the AWB was "to desensitize the people to more and more gun control laws."



"Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."— Columnist Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post, April 5, 1996
7/29/2004 8:12:10 PM EDT
[#7]
"2 steps forward, 1 step back". All part of the incrementalist, frog-boiling approach.
7/29/2004 9:08:46 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
If Fienstein and crew are so adamant about the extension of the AWB why did they vote for the originial AWB when it included the 10 year sunset.


To take a step further, why did AWB renewal supporters KILL the renewal in the Senate several months ago?  I mean, against all odds they managed to get the AWB amended to a bill that had very broad support in Congress.  Sure, the AWB would have been stripped off by the House, but at least the antis had a CHANCE if it got out of the Senate, and Chuck Schumer said that this bill would likely be their last opportunity to get an AWB passed.  But, after adding the precious AWB renewal to the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, they proceeded to vote the against the AWB-infected bill.  Why?

Yes, I know she and her buddies didn't like the underlying bill.  But you mean to tell me that making sure people and local governments are allowed to sue the gun industry for the criminal acts of third parties (suits that very often are thrown out of court anyway) is more important than the thousands upon thousands of lives that will be lost starting September 13th?  Despite Larry Craig pulling his support for the bill, those who voted for the AWB could have passed it if they wanted.

I mean, this is the freakin' ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN!  AK-47s and Uzis!  And these guns will now be flooding the streets of our neighborhoods, all because Feinstein didn't rally behind the bill to which she attached her AWB.

--Mike
7/30/2004 7:47:04 AM EDT
[#9]
I DONT GET THE "AWB". YES ,I HAVE AN AR15. ITS IS NOT AN AUTO!!!!! THE SO CALLED AK47 ASSAULT RIFLES THAT THEY SELL AT GUNS SHOWS AND STORES ARE NOT FULL AUTO.  WTF?  THESE RIFLES ARE VIEWED AS THE MILITARY STANDARD FIREARM. HEY FRANKIN ASS THEY DO NOT HAVE BURST OR FULL AUTO!!!!!! THEY ARE SEMI AUTO...I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT BAYO LUG OR THE FLASH SUPRESSOR. NO GOOD TO ME,REALLY BUT THE 30 ROUND SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP...IF I WANT 30 PISS OFF.BUT SINCE U SAID NO BAYOS OR FLASH SURPRESSORS,U HAVE GONE TOO FAR....THE DEMOS HAVE JUST ADDED AN ENEMY TO THEIR LIST. I REGISTURED TO VOTE....IF THAT DONT WORK BRING IT. JUST REMEMBER DONT BRING AW ITS AGINST THE LAW......DONT WEAR BULLET PROF  JACKETS DURING UR CRIME ITS AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!RULES ARE 10 ROUND MAGS,NO "FLASH HIDERS" AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN NO BAYOS!!!
I KNOW I WILL BE BANNED AFTER THIS BUT U KNOW WHAT IM SICK OF THE SH#T...YES, I HAVE GUNS. ITS MY RIGHT!!!!READ UR PAPER WORK FROM THE 1700'S DONT INTERPETE WHAT U WANT.....ITS BLACK AND WHITE....ALL I WANT TO DO IS GO SHOOT AT PAPPER TARGETS,NOT UR 3 PURPLE HEART AND TWO LEAF CLOVERS....IF SOMEONE INVADES MY COUNTRY OR BLOWS UP ANOTHER HIGH RISE, WELL THEY WILL GET MY ROUNDS FROM 30 ROUND MAGS,WITH THE AID OF A FLASH HIDER AND A BAYO LUG......I AM THE AMERICAN MIDDLE ,BLUE COLLERED WORKER,THAT LIKES TO SHOT BECAUSE U TAX ME SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH. BECAUSE OF CLINTON.

SEMPER FI
HOWSTER SENDS
7/30/2004 11:11:25 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I DONT GET THE "AWB". YES ,I HAVE AN AR15. ITS IS NOT AN AUTO!!!!! THE SO CALLED AK47 ASSAULT RIFLES THAT THEY SELL AT GUNS SHOWS AND STORES ARE NOT FULL AUTO.  WTF?  THESE RIFLES ARE VIEWED AS THE MILITARY STANDARD FIREARM. HEY FRANKIN ASS THEY DO NOT HAVE BURST OR FULL AUTO!!!!!! THEY ARE SEMI AUTO...I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT BAYO LUG OR THE FLASH SUPRESSOR. NO GOOD TO ME,REALLY BUT THE 30 ROUND SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP...IF I WANT 30 PISS OFF.BUT SINCE U SAID NO BAYOS OR FLASH SURPRESSORS,U HAVE GONE TOO FAR....THE DEMOS HAVE JUST ADDED AN ENEMY TO THEIR LIST. I REGISTURED TO VOTE....IF THAT DONT WORK BRING IT. JUST REMEMBER DONT BRING AW ITS AGINST THE LAW......DONT WEAR BULLET PROF  JACKETS DURING UR CRIME ITS AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!RULES ARE 10 ROUND MAGS,NO "FLASH HIDERS" AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN NO BAYOS!!!
I KNOW I WILL BE BANNED AFTER THIS BUT U KNOW WHAT IM SICK OF THE SH#T...YES, I HAVE GUNS. ITS MY RIGHT!!!!READ UR PAPER WORK FROM THE 1700'S DONT INTERPETE WHAT U WANT.....ITS BLACK AND WHITE....ALL I WANT TO DO IS GO SHOOT AT PAPPER TARGETS,NOT UR 3 PURPLE HEART AND TWO LEAF CLOVERS....IF SOMEONE INVADES MY COUNTRY OR BLOWS UP ANOTHER HIGH RISE, WELL THEY WILL GET MY ROUNDS FROM 30 ROUND MAGS,WITH THE AID OF A FLASH HIDER AND A BAYO LUG......I AM THE AMERICAN MIDDLE ,BLUE COLLERED WORKER,THAT LIKES TO SHOT BECAUSE U TAX ME SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH. BECAUSE OF CLINTON.

SEMPER FI
HOWSTER SENDS



dude, chill out

she voted for it because it was the best they could do at the time that would pass
7/30/2004 11:17:20 AM EDT
[#11]

If Fienstein and crew are so adamant about the extension of the AWB why did they vote for the originial AWB when it included the 10 year sunset. That is a point that I think should be approached when these individuals are being interviewed.



Good point. Ummmmmmm, this lack of foresight reflects poorly on their leadership abilities. I say vote them out, for the sake of the country!

Do I win?
7/30/2004 11:24:27 AM EDT
[#12]
They used the incremental approach. They portrayed a small section of guns as unneccessary, and for military use only. Divide and conquer was their method. They got what they thought would pass.  Their next step was much worse. Past bills later proposed in the house and senate confirm this. They attached a denial of second amendment rights to a domestic violence issue.  After all, who would come out in support of right of domestic abuse suspects, (mostly men) to possess a firearm they reasoned.  They succeeded in getting a bill passed that denied second amendment rights to persons convicted of a misdemeanor.  They intended to branch off from that and connect it to other misdemeanors such as simple battery, disorderly conduct, etc. until all misdemeanors would be included.  They take every avenue they can find or manufacture.  

My main question is: WHY?

I think we all know the answer.
8/2/2004 1:26:12 AM EDT
[#13]
By getting it in for 10 years people (sheep) are more likely to become comfortable with it and accept it as reasonable.  Ten year trial leading to eventual revocation of the 2nd Amendment.
8/2/2004 1:35:21 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
By getting it in for 10 years people (sheep) are more likely to become comfortable with it and accept it as reasonable.  Ten year trial leading to eventual revocation of the 2nd Amendment.



Bingo!

They now have a whole generation of people that have had the term "Assault Weapon" pounded into their heads on a daily basis.  That term has been perverted into being heard as "machine gun" by 90+% of the population.  You've see the lies on a daily basis that now that the ban is gone, AK's and Uzi's will be "flooding the streets".  NFA'34 doesn't mean a thing to 99.9% of the population.  Hell, it doesn't register for 75% of gun onwers that think full auto is illegal.

Now that they've conditioned the masses to accept an entire class of weapons as "evil" they think it will be easy to push us to the next level of demonization.

The key will be to keep ANY new gun restrictions off the books for the next few years so they can't come back with the next step.