I like the value that PSA provides. I put absolutely zero stock into what they claim to be releasing.

I don't know why people insist on conveying everything nowadays though YT videos.

For those who don't want to or can't watch, it is a STANAG mag. The one that comes with it is just made to mimic the original's appearance outside of the receiver.

7 minutes isn't going to kill you.

Damn kids and their need for everything to be instant gratification...

I want one in 7.62x39. The original 7.92 would be interesting, but I refuse to get into another caliber; especially something as limited and expensive as 7.92 Kurtz. They need to offer the curved barrel in case I need to shoot around corners.

A Krumlauff  barrel would be interesting

I just don't understand the appeal when it isn't actually a reproduction.

Because it's the closest we're ever gonna get to a Stg44 clone.   The German guns are not being imported anymore and the ones that were imported are already sky high in price when they hit the secondary market.

I would love for an American company to make a  genuine reproduction or at least partner with the German company and make them here in the States  but that's not going to happen.

The only appealing thing about the StG is as a historical piece. It deviating from the original so much makes it not so great at being that. I would have been seriously considering the purchase if I was still reenacting, but the mag thing alone makes it a non-starter for that application.

PSA/H&R .30 Carbine?

Ballistically, .300 and 7.92 are pretty damned close.

This, my interest is waning rapidly. The magazine, magazine release, no port door and the lower grip area, pretty much have lost my interest, I’ll just wait for the real deal or always wish not unlike wanting a M134.

Yep I’m out because of the mag, safety, mag release, strength ribbing and lack of a ejection port cover amongst other things.
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That is how I feel as well. I don't really see the appeal of shooting one in 5.56. These are very limited and specific weapons, and changing/modernizing them kind of kills the appeal. But I do understand the unique round is probably very expensive and people probably want to shoot them.

Well, that confirms it’s the Hill and Mac STG-44

Also cool to hear all that you need for a caliber change is a mag, barrel, and bolt and its user serviceable. So one receiver and you can swap calibers. Might get the 7.92K setup to have it and run 300BO in a match for giggles where I don’t care about recovering brass.

They also said original bolts can’t be used, but they claim it’s an NFA thing.

They also said the H&M preorder folks will get theirs for the original price they paid

Unfortunately! H&M changed a bunch of crap they didn’t need to: the barrel profile, distance between gas block & front sight, receiver profile etc. I was hoping it would be a completely new PSA product. It is still an StG in spirit I guess.

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Not going to buy one after all. Changed my mind after doing a little research.

For $1800 I’m in

Yep I would like one but that is way to expensive for me

This     The more I look at it, the more I'm disappointed in what I see.
For almost $2k?  I'll pass....

Well, this old fudd is going to add his 2 cents. I recently built an MP-44. Used the flat I bought from a guy named Dingo over at weapons guild. He has an outfit called DK Productions. He has new German made parts for the MP-44. Not cheap but he has them.
I bent the flat in a jig I made and the went on to building the rifle. Profiled and chambered the rifle in 7.92x33. Used a GM blank. I made the lower. Pressed the ribs in using a 20 ton press.
I used the Mauser 1944 fcg design. Much less complicated than the earlier version. Bought the sear and trigger and disconnector from DK. Used them as patterns to make my own. US made fcg.
If you want to see the rifle, head on over to the K98K forum. See semi auto MP-44 build.
Oh, and btw, I made the bolt which was said could not be made by a peon. But me and my mill and lathe did so. The rifle functions just fine.
As to the availability of 8mm Kurz, it can be found. Graf's had it. I also bought PPU cases and bullets from Graf's. And a set of dies.
Now to the PSA clone.
Don't bother. It sucks. Big write up on it at k98k forum. Those guys know what they are talking about. It looks almost like an MP-44 but it isn't.  Many differences. The fcg is wrong. They could have copied the 1944 Mauser design. Just eliminate the sear trip. Which I did. The real fcg is similar to a Garand one.
The mag sucks. The mag catch is on the wrong side. Caliber change is a stupid idea. If you want a 5.56 or .300 build an AR. Those calibers have no place in a MP-44. Or STG -44. Take your pick of terminology.
The other brand had heat treatment problems with the bolt and carrier. The hooks would break off. And there is no real FA or semi bolt. The guy on the video was dead wrong. The sear trip is worked by the carrier not the bolt. And without the sear trip on the fcg it won't go FA no matter what bolt you put in it.
Well there is my 2 cents. PSA could do better. Why take a failed design when you can make the correct design. The receiver flat is the hardest part to make. I bought mine from Dingo. Don't know if he still had any. The rest of the parts any decent machinist or sheet metal worker can make.
PSA should have done their homework.

MP40 when?

So just be a machinist or sheet metal worker with a 20 ton press, mill, and lathe.

Yeah, just buying a 95% gun from PSA is a fool’s errand. We all have those tools and time.

Seems the Fudds don’t understand the rationale behind this.

@yankee56
Thank you! Excellent write up on the obvious. I’d rather shell out twice their asking if it was a true replica/clone, but I have no interest in hashed together resemblance and I’m using that term loosely. PSA was poised to make a real reproduction and chose to continue on with a failed experiment. I hope their other projects are semi versions of the rifle they are copying. I also hope this mistake doesn’t end their great name.

I disagree, it’s not a reproduction nor is it a clone, at best it’s “inspired by”, unfortunately to many concessions were made to make it a successful and faithful reproduction. I’m already thinking of contacting a couple shops I know of who do have the equipment to get a idea of pricing.

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Trenches????

SMG makes both FG models

Those were starting at $5,000 last time I inquired about them though. Glad I took that money and bought an MG instead which has almost doubled in value from what I paid just in the last couple years.

I’ll probably buy one. Preferably in the original caliber, but I definitely want one. It’s been pretty much my number one grail gun since I was a child. I’m certainly not an expert, so the changes they’ve made in order to bring it to market won’t bother me much.

I seem to recall when OOW semi bars were $4K and TNW semi MG34's were $2500.   These may not reach MG prices but they are not going down in value.   Glad I bought some mg's also beginning in 1996.

I agree as a grail gun, but after further research these are nothing more then a resemblance to a STG44. It’s sad as PSA could sell the shit out of ones that were along the lines of the PTR44, considering who PSA brought along on this project from HMG I’m not even holding my breath anymore. Just for reference.
1. Grip is different
2. Gas block has been relocated.
3. No ejection port door.
4. Controls relocated
5. Multi caliber makes original mags unusable
6. Mag release relocated
7. Receiver dimensions completely altered to make multi caliber.

These are just of a few of the noticeable blatant changes. HMG missed the mark from not getting it to market and making so many changes. The first batch if and when go to those who paid HMG. HMG knew this was a cluster fuck and part of the issues were many are not going to pay their cost for a 556, 300 BO, or 7.62x39. STG44 buyers want the 7.92 and are willing to pay allot more for that clone/reproduction. Take a look at what other classic semi reproductions have brought price wise for BAR’s, MG34’s, MG42’s, FG42’s even PTR44’s we’re expensive and today their prices command serious money, and their values are only going up.

SSD uses original STG tooling, they had quite a few issues, these were well known but buyers had no problem shelling out $5000.00 for them knowing the could be fixed. SSD is looking for a importer which if PSA did and de sporterize them like SSD did for importation using their quality control and in house manufacturing, expertise in manufacturing as well as QC they could have offered a real reproduction for not allot more money and sold more. Plus parts and accessories are actually available for the real deal. With allot of states banning mags over 10 rounds that alone will be a deal breaker for many, if it used original mags potential buyers could be stocking up now.

Meh.  Just add the dust cover and make it 7.92 only with a copy of the original mags.  

Any other cosmetic changes to make it more original are great but I would buy it with the above changes.

Lol, a little butt hurt over that? Makes you mad they did not follow through with what they announced they were going to make, and kept promising they were going to come out with. And also makes you mad people remember it and keep reminding you about it.
What is the old saying.......Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I also must have missed the announcement they made where they said they were scrapping the project. All I remember was them constantly saying its coming, will be here by (insert random date). Then that date came around and passed, then they would move the date back further, that date would pass and they just kept that up until everyone finally gave up, me included.  

And they decided to stop because a couple other companies were also making them? Give me a break.
Yea well you know what, there are tons of companies making endless AR15's and the market is super flooded with them (1000x more flooded than the mp5 market), but yet, you know what, PSA still makes and sells them. Even though new companies keep coming out with new one still today.
If we go by your logic, they should stop making AR's because the market is flooded by other companies making good quality affordable ones.

I would much rather support a American company making MP5's than turkey.

I would not say the MP5 is a limited market. If they were as affordable as AR's, they would be way more popular. Heck, just straight blowback AR9's are extremely popular.
And AR's are not a flooded market?


Do not get me wrong, I hope they do follow through and make these and it becomes popular.
I am just not going to hold my breath until I see them actually for sale/in stock.

The MP5 is a much more limited market then the AR market. The cost to play is a higher buy in, accessories are much higher, spare parts and magazines are much higher. Tell me about mounting optics? What is the market going to now that braces are stocks? Sorry it is a limited market, and the cost to play is quite a bit more, and now many potential buyers just got dealt out of the game.

I never said anything about the AR market, but yes it is flooded, and it goes from dirt cheap, to through the roof. It is a much, much lower buy in, and much, much lower game to play or it can be much more expensive. The MP5 doesn’t allow that, and further more maybe PSA realized they can’t produce a MP5 domestically that is affordable or can even compete with foreign built models. Sheet metal stamping was the way 70, even 50 years ago, but has been replaced by other better, faster and more economical means of manufacture. Sheet metal stamping is fast becoming a lost art, and now because of that has become more expensive, well in this country.

I would venture to bet PSA discovered their investment to build these would be around a million dollars, for maybe half a million dollar return? Why spend money to loose money? That’s not what put PSA where they are today. Honestly I’d rather buy a MKE any day of the week, built on HK equipment, using HK’s data package, building them the way HK designed them. No fitment issues, no worrying if the heat treatment is correct, push pin lower. I’m betting PSA’s MP5 would be like their STG44 copy somewhat visually the same but so far off nothing is the same.