Posted: 2/7/2016 8:55:14 PM EDT
| Went in for my CC yesterday finally. Instructor was Going over the differences between single action and double action hand guns. He brought out a S&W revolver to show the differences. Before going over the gun he showed the open cylinder to a lady to check for all clear, she said all clear then proceeded to show her husband the barrel, to which he said all clear. Well when he started to show us what happens during a double action shot......... BOOM! The Whole room fell to the floor just about. No, no one bladed at 45. There was obviously a bullet somewhere in that gun that someone missed. I honestly Blame the instructor for not checking it himself. Well after everyone's ears and blood pressure calmed down, we searched for the hole. We found it and followed it into to other rooms where we found the bullet laying on a table in a break room. Just goes to show you ca never be too safe when handling guns. |
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Something like this really needs a video of the incident, else it just doesn't make sense and I don't think anything anyone posts will make it make sense either. The instructor is the responsible party, as he is the operator of firearm. His fault 100%. TPNI |
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Something like this really needs a video of the incident, else it just doesn't make sense and I don't think anything anyone posts will make it make sense either. The instructor is the responsible party, as he is the operator of firearm. His fault 100%. TPNI What happened to keeping your booger finger off the trigger? |
Happened to me in a CCW class in December. Instructor was checking all the guns (we have to bring a gun and shoot twenty rounds into an FBI target in Kentucky). Some fatass handed him a Ruger MkII and told him "He never keeps it unloaded, just in case". Instructor had never dropped a mag from a gun with a heel-mounted release. He started dicking with it and Racked the slide, then dropped the mag, then pulled the trigger. BANG. Got everyone's attention, that's for sure. Blew a hole in the wall (we were in a closed diner the instructor used as a classroom). Bullet ended up on the kitchen floor, I took a picture and snagged the bullet, posted it on the AR15.com Facebook page. I was torn between being super-pissed (He was the former Police Chief, and the retired Mayor of the town where I took the class) and feeling sorry for him. There were 18 people in our class and I'll wager every one of them told at least one friend about the ND.
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How the fuck do you miss a round in a revolver? There's 6-7 chambers open to the air. Did no one rotate the cylinder? Seriously, how the fuck does one miss a round in a revolver? You need to realize that the human brain loves stories....... Loves 'em so much that it will "fill in the blanks" to complete a story...... It completes the story using prior memories........... Every other time that brain checked for an unloaded cylinder, it saw just that....... This time it just, filled in the blanks 'cause that cylinder is SUPPOSED to be empty..... If you put a brain on auto-pilot for this critical task you are asking for trouble I always use my fingers to confirm those chambers are empty! |
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You need to realize that the human brain loves stories....... Loves 'em so much that it will "fill in the blanks" to complete a story...... It completes the story using prior memories........... Every other time that brain checked for an unloaded cylinder, it saw just that....... This time it just, filled in the blanks 'cause that cylinder is SUPPOSED to be empty..... If you put a brain on auto-pilot for this critical task you are asking for trouble I always use my fingers to confirm those chambers are empty! Quoted:
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How the fuck do you miss a round in a revolver? There's 6-7 chambers open to the air. Did no one rotate the cylinder? Seriously, how the fuck does one miss a round in a revolver? You need to realize that the human brain loves stories....... Loves 'em so much that it will "fill in the blanks" to complete a story...... It completes the story using prior memories........... Every other time that brain checked for an unloaded cylinder, it saw just that....... This time it just, filled in the blanks 'cause that cylinder is SUPPOSED to be empty..... If you put a brain on auto-pilot for this critical task you are asking for trouble I always use my fingers to confirm those chambers are empty! Using both visual and tactile in a chamber check is always best. |
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I always use toy guns to demonstrate the difference. But that's just me. This. The only time I bring any part of a real firearm into a class room it's the lower half of pistols to show factory vs grip tape vs stippling and leave the top halves at home. It may seem paranoid BUT I'll never be the instructor who ND's in a classroom. |
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Quoted: Happened to me in a CCW class in December. Instructor was checking all the guns (we have to bring a gun and shoot twenty rounds into an FBI target in Kentucky). Some fatass handed him a Ruger MkII and told him "He never keeps it unloaded, just in case". Instructor had never dropped a mag from a gun with a heel-mounted release. He started dicking with it and Racked the slide, then dropped the mag, then pulled the trigger. BANG. Got everyone's attention, that's for sure. Blew a hole in the wall (we were in a closed diner the instructor used as a classroom). Bullet ended up on the kitchen floor, I took a picture and snagged the bullet, posted it on the AR15.com Facebook page. I was torn between being super-pissed (He was the former Police Chief, and the retired Mayor of the town where I took the class) and feeling sorry for him. There were 18 people in our class and I'll wager every one of them told at least one friend about the ND.Racked the slide, then dropped the mag, and then pulled the trigger. The one is proven to fire a round unless it's in a shit gun. |
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Something like this really needs a video of the incident, else it just doesn't make sense and I don't think anything anyone posts will make it make sense either. The instructor is the responsible party, as he is the operator of firearm. His fault 100%. TPNI What happened to keeping your booger finger off the trigger? RIF. He (the instructor) was showing what happens during a double action shot, which requires a finger on the trigger. I do it in every one of my classes. I also have a dedicated gun I use only for that, nothing else (can't remember the last time I fired a live round through it), and *still* check it 2-3 times before demonstrating it! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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You need to realize that the human brain loves stories....... Loves 'em so much that it will "fill in the blanks" to complete a story...... It completes the story using prior memories........... Every other time that brain checked for an unloaded cylinder, it saw just that....... This time it just, filled in the blanks 'cause that cylinder is SUPPOSED to be empty..... If you put a brain on auto-pilot for this critical task you are asking for trouble I always use my fingers to confirm those chambers are empty! Quoted:
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How the fuck do you miss a round in a revolver? There's 6-7 chambers open to the air. Did no one rotate the cylinder? Seriously, how the fuck does one miss a round in a revolver? You need to realize that the human brain loves stories....... Loves 'em so much that it will "fill in the blanks" to complete a story...... It completes the story using prior memories........... Every other time that brain checked for an unloaded cylinder, it saw just that....... This time it just, filled in the blanks 'cause that cylinder is SUPPOSED to be empty..... If you put a brain on auto-pilot for this critical task you are asking for trouble I always use my fingers to confirm those chambers are empty! Yep, part of our training, every qualification is ammo source removed, three racks of the slide / bolt, visual and physical (pinky finger in the chamber: M4, .40 HK & 12ga) inspection. |