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There needs to be a procurement rule to buy USA made whenever possible and failing that, at least buy from one of our allies.
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I would have thought AK Troopers would be carrying 10mm. https://dps.alaska.gov/getmedia/58f7856a-4df4-4e77-8ae0-8d7de080b188/AST-Psychological.jpg 2, 4, 1, 3, 5 |
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Quoted: I think the condensation will occur when the lens is cold and the air is warm (higher moisture content). So if they have to do a tactical entry into a sweat lodge they are effed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints? I think the condensation will occur when the lens is cold and the air is warm (higher moisture content). So if they have to do a tactical entry into a sweat lodge they are effed RDS transition classes include training in methods of fire to account for such a scenario: They'll be fine. They'll also be fine with G17.5's and Holosun optics as well. Jay |
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I’ve beat the shit out of some Holosun optics and they’re still running. Two of them are the 510’s, which are open emitters.
I cannot say the same for the Eotechs, Trijicons, and Sigs I’ve had and have personally observed take shits. |
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Speaking of red dots, doesn't the Idaho State Police also carry Glocks with Holosuns?
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Alabama is buying Glock 45's and RMRs . Is Alaska the poor's?
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Is it a 509T X2? If so good, they chose the best duty/carry mRDS on the market.
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Quoted: It could be. It could also be the Troopers haggling with management and management picking the best gun but the cheapest optic. I'm also still surprised they picked 9mm given that Moose, Grizzlies, and other wild game are, uhh, all over Alaska View Quote "A rifle would be a better choice", is the thought process behind the choice I would guess. |
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Good for them on the gun not sure about the optic though. Personally I've yet to see the appeal for optics on pistols at all.
But if I was going to use one I don't think it'd be holosun. |
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Quoted: RDS transition classes include training in methods of fire to account for such a scenario: They'll be fine. They'll also be fine with G17.5's and Holosun optics as well. Jay View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints? I think the condensation will occur when the lens is cold and the air is warm (higher moisture content). So if they have to do a tactical entry into a sweat lodge they are effed RDS transition classes include training in methods of fire to account for such a scenario: They'll be fine. They'll also be fine with G17.5's and Holosun optics as well. Jay I was trying to be funny. I don’t have a problem with red dots. |
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Quoted: I wonder if SIG threw there hat in the ring. View Quote Oh Im sure they did. But that whole having your weapon go bang while it's in the holster is a major turn off on the LE side. Even the "bean counters" know that the lawsuits would eat up the savings they would get out of that contract. The Big Army has the luxury of just blaming it on Pvt Snuffy and his team leader Sgt. Slaughter. Civilian LE does not have that advantage. |
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Quoted: Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints? View Quote When working in cold environments it’s better to have the vehicle temperature only warm enough that you are comfortable in your cold weather gear. You don’t want to be taking your coat on and off and you don’t want to be sweating. |
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Quoted: I too am kinda floored they chose Holosun. I wonder, is there any chance they have or plan to open any manufacturing in North America? Call me paranoid, but if they are all made in CN, they could be putting/sneaking anything in those.... View Quote Oh man, wait till you find out where their radios and cell phones were made |
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They are getting about 6 months on the batteries. The optics themselves are holding up well.
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To everyone who is saying "they should have bought 10mm" - consider the logistics of ammunition supply for a 350+ person agency. You have to be able to get ammunition for training and regular duty use replacement. I was responsible for a 150+ persons agency with 9mm, .40, 12ga and 5.56. I would keep a years worth of ammo in reserve. There were several occasions during my career that we would have a 4-6 month lead for ammunition orders to be filled (state bid contract), the longest was 10 months for duty rifle ammunition (Federal bonded soft point). These were common calibers, 10mm while mainstream is not a "main production line" caliber.
Other thing to remember is most cops aren't gun folk. More than you think have never shot a gun when going into the profession. Tis easier to train with a lesser recoiling weapon, more capacity and as long as they buy a good bonded projectile for duty use then penetration shouldn't be a concern (I will admit last gel data I evaluated was Gold Dot 9 vs 40 and they were neck in neck - negating the old advantage of the heavier .40 projectile). I guess evaluate the OIS they have, people or animal? If you know you're going up against a critter - grab the long gun, right?! Rounds on target are better than rounds that never connect!! Just another point of view to consider! |
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Quoted: To everyone who is saying "they should have bought 10mm" - consider the logistics of ammunition supply for a 350+ person agency. You have to be able to get ammunition for training and regular duty use replacement. I was responsible for a 150+ persons agency with 9mm, .40, 12ga and 5.56. I would keep a years worth of ammo in reserve. There were several occasions during my career that we would have a 4-6 month lead for ammunition orders to be filled (state bid contract), the longest was 10 months for duty rifle ammunition (Federal bonded soft point). These were common calibers, 10mm while mainstream is not a "main production line" caliber. Other thing to remember is most cops aren't gun folk. More than you think have never shot a gun when going into the profession. Tis easier to train with a lesser recoiling weapon, more capacity and as long as they buy a good bonded projectile for duty use then penetration shouldn't be a concern (I will admit last gel data I evaluated was Gold Dot 9 vs 40 and they were neck in neck - negating the old advantage of the heavier .40 projectile). I guess evaluate the OIS they have, people or animal? If you know you're going up against a critter - grab the long gun, right?! Rounds on target are better than rounds that never connect!! Just another point of view to consider! View Quote Glock 10 mm isn't near as reliable is 9 mm either. At least with the proper loads that make 10 mm an actual 10 mm. I would definitely never want it issued to me when it is primarily for use against armed human subjects. |
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View Quote It would be more funny if it was a 10 year old sitting there, for China's use of child labor, and all. |
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