[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Allah.... (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/1/2005 5:53:17 AM EDT
 Allah...Peanut Butter Sandwiches!!! Greatest pic ever. Stolen from another thread...sorry. |
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FUNNY THING IS ALLAH ANDTHE CHRISTIAN/ JEWISH GOD ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON, ITS THE MESSIAHS THAT CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND MUSLIMS KILL EACH OTHER ABOUT. CHRISTIANS,= JESUS MUSLIMS = MOHAMED JEWS= STILL WAITING ALL SUPPOSED TO PRAY TO THE SAME GOD, JUST DIFFERNT PATHS TO GET TO HIM/HER |
The most concise statement I've seen here in a looooooong time.. |
Allah and God are not one in the same. Of the 12 tribes of Israel, one was the chosen tribe i.e. Tribe/house of David. The remaining 11 eschewed the House of David (the Jews) and persecuted them. The 11 continued their worship of false gods and pagan rituals. Allah is the the Muslim god and Mohammed is his prophet. I know of no reference to Allah as the god of the Jews and Christians as well. |
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Well, it would be nice to point out that Allah and Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are NOT one and the same. If you read the Old Testament and listen to what Jehovah actually says, and then compare it to the Koran and what Allah actually says, you will see that they simply cannot be the same Entity. Allah was the name of the Moon god of the Bedouin tribes of Saudi Arabia, and which was adopted by a fellow named Mohammad, who linked it to the God of the Judeo-Christian religions. I mean, c'mon, Allah had three daughters in the Koran, for a time. When did God ever have three daughters? Eric The(Judeo-Christian)Hun 
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It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic. The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." Some non-Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and cruel God who demands to be obeyed fully. He is not loving and kind. Nothing can be farther from truth than this allegation. It is enough to know that, with the exception of one, each of the 114 chapters of the Quran begins with the verse: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate." In one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) we are told that "God is more loving and kinder than a mother to her dear child." But God is also Just. Hence evildoers and sinners must have their share of punishment and the virtuous, His bounties and favors. Actually God's attribute of Mercy has full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering throughout their lives for His sake and people oppressing and exploiting other people all their lives should not receive similar treatment from their Lord. Expecting similar treatment for them will amount to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the Hereafter and thereby negating all the incentives for a moral and virtuous life in this world. The following Quranic verses are very clear and straightforward in this respect: "Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the Presence of their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like the people of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?" (68:34-36) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or depicting Him as favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis of wealth, power or race. He created the human beings as equals. They may distinguish themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety only. The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view. The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a reflection of Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God which is the essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of this, Islam considers associating any deity or personality with God as a deadly sin which God will never forgive, despite the fact He may forgive all other sins. [Note that what is meant above applies ONLY to those people who die in a state wherein they are associating others with God. The repentance of those who yet live is acceptable to God if He wills. - MSA of USC] The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created because if he is of the same nature as they are, he will be temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing outside him causes him to continue to exist, which means that he must be self-sufficient. And if the does not depend on anything for the continuance of his own existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: "He is the First and the Last." He is Self-Sufficient or Self-Subsistent or, to use a Quranic term, Al-Qayyum. The Creator does not create only in the sense of bringing things into being, He also preserves them and takes them out of existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to them. "God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth." (39:62, 63) "No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its provision rests on God. He knows its lodging place and it repository." (11:6) THE RELIGION OF ISLAM The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form. Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the following: "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3) "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85) "Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67) Nowhere in the Bible will you find Allah saying to Prophet Moses' people or their descendants that their religion is Judaism, nor to the followers of Christ that their religion is Christianity. In fact, Christ was not even his name, nor was it Jesus! The name "Christ" comes from the Greek word Christos which means the annointed. That is, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew title "Messiah". The name "Jesus" on the other hand, is a latinized version of the Hebrew name Esau. For simplicity's sake, I will however continue to refer to Prophet Esau (PBUH) as Jesus. As for his religion, it was what he called his followers to. Like the prophets before him, he called the people to surrender their will to the will of Allah; (which is Islam) and he warned them to stay away from the false gods of human imagination. According to the New Testament, he taught his followers to pray as follows: "Yours will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". |
he had three daughters according to the dreams of mohamed, doesn't mean he really had them. but read above will explain more better |
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The God of the Bible has always been a monotheistic being. The god of Islam was born from an amalgamation of the Babylonian polytheistic worship of over 360 gods, one of which was the crescent moon god. The characteristics of the God of the Bible and Islam's Allah are irreconcilable. The God of the Bible is unchanging and keeps promises, while Allah is considered to be very capricious. It's not a matter of civilizations repackaging the same ancient diety. It is a matter of these gods/religions competing between themselves for absolute control. Islam's cry of Allah Akbar is is not just "Allah is great", it is "Allah is greater"... than all other known gods. The apostle Paul wrote that if anyone comes preaching a religion different from the one he was teaching (even if it were to be delivered by angels), it was to be considered a false religion. Just by using this standard alone, Christianity considers the religion of Islam and the teaching of Allah to be a false religion. It is also obvious that muslims worldwide hold this same view from their perspective too. It really doesn't matter is someone is trying to reconcile the dieties of these religions, the religions themselves won't allow it. |
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I have never heard anyone claim that Mohammad's source for anything in the Koran was other than a 'dream', but since you copied from an Islamic site, allow me to cut and paste from one as well: Satanic verses The tale of the 'Satanic verses' does not originate with foes of Islam, but from early Islamic historians like Ibn Ishaq. Sura 53:19-20 reads as follows: "Do you see Al-Lat and Al-Ozza, And Manat the third idol besides?" As the Koran now stands, this is followed by ridicule of the idea that Allah would have only daughters while humankind preferred sons. At its first reading, though, Muhammad delivered these lines next: "These are the exalted females, [or, sublime swans] And truly their intercession may be expected". The blatant polytheism of these verses met with controversy, and Muhammad later withdrew them. Though the story is extra-Koranic, Sura 17:74-76 reads almost like a confession: "And, verily, they had well nigh beguiled thee from what we revealed to thee, and caused thee to invent some other thing in our name: but in that case they would surely have taken thee as a friend; And had we not settled thee, thou hadst well nigh leaned to them a little..." Here's the story: "Muhammad's softened attitude, which found expression in such actions as occasionally inviting pagans to his home for food and drink, was conciliatory. However, his promise that any who followed him would become his brother, executor and successor, found no grounds for conversion among his clan, so he decided to seek other solutions. The accounts in some early traditions suggest that he came up with an extremely incautious plan to offer as a compromise. To please the Quaraysh, he praised three of their goddesses (in lines known as satanic verses). This concession was a severe blow to his prophecy. Ibn Ishaq reports: 'When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God, he longed that there should come to him from God a message that should reconcile his people to him.' [Ibn Ishaq, d. 150/767, The Life of Muhammad, the earliest biography of Muhammad.] "Thus, verses 53:19-20 refer to the three female idols: al-Uzza, al-Manat, and al-Lat. As the Koran suggests, the Meccans regarded them as daughters of another male deity (to whom Muhammad referred as Allah). Tabari (d. 310/923) a Sunni historian, indicates that, in the presence of worshippers, Muhammad added, 'These are the exalted goddesses whose intercession with the Deity (Allah) is to be sought.' "Among his own followers, Muhammad was for a time suspect because of this 'undivine' remark, but his message was nevertheless an attempt to bring him closer to his tribe. The attempt might have been an outgrowth of Muhammad's examination of the psychological aspects of compromise Ibn Ishaq reports: 'When the Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from the Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip.' "The implications of this gesture caused many Christians and Jews to believe that the sect had renounced its monotheism and that Muhammad had reverted to his original polytheism. 'Muhammad temporarily yielded to the temptation to allow the pagan gods a place in his religion. The move was in human terms a dramatic success. But it was not monotheism.' [Cook, 'Muhammad', p. 17]. The impulse to engage in such a compromising exercise proved unsuitable to his prophecy. He was aggrieved. Ibn Ishaq reports: "'Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, "What have you done, Muhammad? You have recited to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you.' Satan had intercepted something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had suggested and God established His verses. "'"Are yours the males and His the females? That indeed were an unfair division! They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant..."'" (The Emergence of Islam: Prophecy, Imamate, and Messianism in Perspective, Mostafa Vaziri, Ph.D., Chapter 1, Muhammad in Mecca, pp. 18-20.) The foregoing is from: http://thriceholy.net/internal.html#Satanic_verses If you will recall, it was Salman Rushdie's allusion to these 'Satanic Verses' in his novel by the same name, which caused a 'fatwa' issued against him and price to be out on his head by a whole lot of Mullahs! As you might well imagine, the Moslems are not pleased to be reminded of a time when the Koran was tainted by allusions to pagan goddesses. So much for divine inspiration. Eric The(Judeo-Christian)Hun
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Incorrect... Abraham built his altar at Mecca, it is the same God. The daughters are not literal in the Koran. Have you read the entire Koran? Jesus is in the Koran Diff names same God Good Morning Eric!!! I swore no more religious threads but wanted to wish you a good morning, TGIF. Where in TX are ya? |
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Abraham's altar was nowhere other than Mount Moriah, which is the hill in Jerusalem which became the Temple Mount. From Genesis, Chapter 22: Genesis 22 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. (verses 1-4) This site of the 'Binding of Isaac' occurred at the very site where the Holy of Holies was located in the two Temples which were built by Solomon and Herod. What common thread links Abraham’s experience on Mount Moriah, the Israelites’ offering of sacrifices there, and Jesus’ crucifixion? On the mountain site He had chosen, God provided a substitute for sacrificing Isaac, the Jews offered sacrifices to God as a substitutionary way to receive forgiveness of sins, and Jesus took our sins upon himself and died as our sacrificial lamb. Of course, I realize that Mohammad rewrote this account to say that ir was not Isaac, but Ishmail, who was offered by Abraham and that this occurred elsewhere. Meaning that both the Jews and the Christians were wrong and that Mohammad was correct. Sorry, that is NOT what happened. IF Mohammad wishes to build his new religion on the foundation of Judaism and Christianity, he must accept that foundation in the condition in which he finds it. The only way that Mohammad even knew of Abraham was from the Hebrew Bible. There was no 'Bedouin' Bible that described the life of Abraham.
How could they be 'literal'??? No, they are merely referred to as 'the daughters of Allah' and as 'swans' meaning nothing more than goddesses! If this was NOT an embarrassing moment in Islamic History, there would be no 'fatwa' that needed to be issued against Salman Rushdie, nor his death demanded!
Nope, just enough to know that it is NOT for me. Nor have I read the entire Book of Mormon, same reason.
No, Sir, He is NOT! A fellow named 'Isa', whose mother was 'Mary' or 'Miriam', is included in the Koran, but he is no more the Jesus of the New Testament than I am! He doesn't speak as Jesus of the New Testament, he doesn't act as the Jesus of the New Testament, he doesn't resemble in any way the Jesus of the New Testament! But I know that as Mohammad desired to lead his own tribe to Islam, he made a mistake in allowing the three goddesses to appear in the Koran, and this plan worked. So, I suppose that Mohammad thought that he could sway silly Christians in the same manner - 'See? Your holy man is in our 'Bible' as well. And see how well he and his mother are spoken of!'
Nope, but I understand that this is your belief. I simply do not share it...at all.
Good morning, 'roo! 
I release you from your vow! And I note that you didn't say, TAIF, but TGIF! A slip of faith?
Wylie, Texas, near Plano. Where are you? Somewhere near Houston, I know. But where? Eric The(CasualFriday)Hun
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Sadly superficial and uninformed. Yahweh and Allah are NOT the same. |
its spelled out in the Koran |
If I do the comparison between the OT and NT, I get the same problem. And Jawheh was but one of the gods worshipped by Abraham's tribe. The road to monotheism usually passed through polytheism. Nothing new there. The Muslims find your acceptance of a triune deity equally as strange, but I would have to ask this: If God can have a son, why not a daughter? I think both are ludicrous concepts, but you seem ok with one of them. Its amazing the different standards you use to judge the Muslims. If the same methods are use to attack Christianity, it falls apart. The Muslims claim to worship the same God. The Koran confirms it is the same God. It has been viewed as the same God for hundreds of years. |
Dino, I challenge you or anyone else for that matter to find 2 or more Mullah's that agree on what the Koran actually says. It is the only religion that I know that allows for individual interpretation of its word by any and all of its theologians. Extremists say that it is permitted to kill non-believers while conservatives say that those verses don't even appear in the Koran. Mecca is beautiful, the Koran is Grand, But Jesus is the One Takin me to the Land! |
Wow, this is about as wrong as two boys fucking. For one thing, Mohamed is a prophet at most, certainly no divine being. Also, must read ETH's post, interesting... |
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Well, first of all, I am glad that someone has brought up the basic tenets of Islam instead of me stupidly getting stuck in arguments about punishments,slavery, and dhimmitude; ah, youthful anger and the lack of eloquency in english be damned. EDIT: besides the fact that Muhammed is not equivalent in Islam to the position Jesus has in Christianity; he was merely a prophet, a common man, who dedicated his years to serving Allah. those saying "Allah" is a moon god of the old babylonian days; apparently you don't realize they have a different entomology. As has already been mentioned, "Allah", is the personal name for God in Aramaic; the end result is that Jesus was praying to God using "Allah", not "Yahweh"  . The Arab Christians in fact use "Allah" to refer to God; the reason: "allah" is the conjugation of "al", meaning "the", and "lah", meaning "deity/god", put it together you get, "Allah", or "the god"="God". A nice grammatical intricacy that most people here don't know because they don't care to learn.
let us see on certain issues: Ten Commandments...Qur'an : check,OT : check Superiority of the religion over others... Qur'an < OT : check (atleast you get to go to heaven as a Jew or Christian under Islam, can't say the same if you looked at Christianity or Judaism) Taught to clear non-believers from the promised land... Qur'an : check,OT: check Death penalty for alot of sins...Qur'an : check,OT: double check Allah/God's compassion for his followers...Qur'an: high,OT: high Allah/God's compassion for the unbelievers..Qur'an: low,OT: low Allah Sent messengers to every group on earth...Qur'an: check,OT: nope Get to go to heaven if you obey Allah/God....Qur'an : check, OT: Heaven? If you mean he is more compassionate, then I guess you are right
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People are once again making shit up or parroting falsehood. The God of the Christians and Jews said Jews are the chosen people, specially set aside by God for His own purposes. Allah says Jews should be killed. The God of the Bible blessed the world through the lineage of Isaac, and the Bible says his half brother Ishmael was sent into the wilderness by Abraham. The Koran says that the world was blessed through the lineage of Ishmael, and not through Isaac. The Koran says that Moses was Jesus' uncle, because Moses' sister Miriam was Jesus' mother. The Bible says that Jesus and Moses walked the Earth centuries apart. Yahweh is God; Allah is a figment or a demon. Even if you believe the reverse to be true, it is simply not correct that Yahweh and Allah are the same entity. |
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Thanks...I couldn't remember which character it was. |
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Why? They are One and the Same! Show us how they differ? Jesus claimed that the God of Arbaham, Isaac, and Jacob was the True God, so how could they possibly be different? So Judaism and Chrsitianity agree on this God as One and the Same.
That can be said of ANY 'god' in the ancient Middle East, as well of most folks in modern days! I can recall a PBS Documentrary on Bible Archeology where one of the experts was 'surporised to find a niche for idols placed on the wall of an ancient Israelite home, saying 'These Israelites worshipped more than just Jehovah!' And I'm thinking, 'Hasn't this guy ever read the Old Testament? The Jews were always disappointing God by worshipping foreign idols and foreign gods.'
It 'may' have done so in every other religion, but the Adamic line of Faith was always consistent in recognizing that there was only One True and Living God, in a line unbroken from Adam to Abraham.
So, what? I find just about everything they believe as strange beyond hope!
For some reason or the other, the Lord God has chosen to reveal Himself as the 'Father', and His Redeemer as His 'Son.' If you are asking me, Why didn't the Lord God reveal Himself as a 'Mother', and His Redeemer as a "daughter', that is a question best addressed to Him, the next time you see Him. In the meawhile, I will continue to behold Him just as He said.
You are free to believe as you wish.
I use only the Holy Bible and its History, and the History of Its People to 'judge' any doctrines, beliefs, or positions. They use their Koran to 'judge' mine. Big deal.
Whether they claim it or not does not make it so. The Koran can say whatever it desires but all I can think is that it is in the same category as the Book of Mormon - it is 'validated' simply upon the word of a single man...without any witnesses, at all. Sorry, but I cannot accept that, at all. Eric The(Judeo-Christian)Hun
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Where in Houston.... Spring Branch ISa=Jesus, Arabic word for the name just like Jesus is greek for Yeshua. Same man believe me on this one. I used to be Catholic and am now a "Gnostic" But having lived in Middle East a good portion of my life I can tell you Jesus=Isha. Also I have read the Koran, the whole thing, a few times, good stuff in there just like the bible. Whenever yer in Houston, lemme know lets go have a BBQ sammich or two! Have a good one bro! 
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+1,000,000,000 I notice the difference between people who are Christian who are "ok" with Islam versus those that "hate" Islam merely rests on one fact : have they read the Qur'an with a reasonably open mind, and not just piecemeal. and by the way people, you don't honestly believe a Jewish man was called Jesus , or that his parents were Joseph and Mary, obviously anglicized names, do you? |
Allah does not demand this.... As a matter of fact it says in the Koran "spare the people of the book, allow them to live amongst you unmolested, for they are children of Allah" the phrase "people of the book" means that the OT and NT are "the book" this means Christians and Jews are to be unmolested. (They follow the SAME God) Attacks on Jews and Christians was never condoned in the Koran, these are regional political attacks just like Hitler attacking Jews. The bible did not authorize Hitler to attack anyone and neither does the Koran. The Koran SPECIFICALLY forbids: Attacking the unarmed Attacking women , children or the infirm. As with any group there are Muslims who break these laws, just like there have been Christians who sin or have killed in the name of their religion. |
Been over this, they don't get killed... ever; look at the history of the Crusades and how the Muslims treated the Christians when they reconquered Jerusalem as just an example of how they are supposed to treat Christians and Jews. EDIT: I am providing a real life example since you people don't have the ability/want to read the Qur'an. As for the tax, I have already stated before that the amount of a tax they pay is equal to that of what the Muslims in a country pay. It is an equalizing force, it is saying,"Muslims HAVE to pay Zakat; so we are going to make things equal by taxing you the same percentage". In effect, the tax was a flat tax accross all people in the country; if you are Muslim, it is called "Zakat", otherwise view it as an Income tax. And this tax was not THAT bad, in most countries, Zakat and the tax for Dhimmi is ~2.5% of your income and is the only tax you have to pay at all(no sales tax, no other income taxes,etc.) |
another +1000 for you sir. Nice to have a person on Islam's defense who is not Muslim here. |
Lived in the Middle East a long time, and have actually read the book. Where in TX are ya? Also... I agree Mary and Joseph and Jesus are anglicanized versions of the hebrew names. Isha =Yeshua=Jesus just like Jose =Joseph or Maria=Mary. |
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Cool!
But that doesn't make these two the same anymore than SteyrAUG's imaginery Hispanic garderner, 'Jesus.'
Sorry, but I cannot believe this, at all. The Jesus that I believe in Died, was Buried and Resurrected at least 600 years prior to any of Mohammad's visions. In the exchange between Allah and Isa, Isa denied that he was Allah's son, at all. It is further denied in the Joran that Isa was actually crucified by the Jews - the Jews only succeeded in hanging the 'likeness' of Isa on the tree at Calvary. BOTH of those statements flatly contradict the Christian Bible, so, NO, 'Isa' is NOT the same as Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. No more than IF I were to write a bigraphy of George Washington and claim that he could NOT have ever been President of the United States because he was killed at the Battle of Fort Duquesne in 1755 along with General Braddock. No one would believe that we were discussing the same man, at all.
Yippee!
Yes, indeed, you can tell me that folks in the Middle East can be easily confused by mistaken religious beliefs as long as you wish, but it will not make those beliefs true, in the least!
The parts of the Koran that I have read are so absurd, IMHO, that I could not get to those 'great parts' that you talk about. Maybe you can give us a Sura or two to look up. Some that have impressed you with their beuuty and truth?
Absolutely!
And you have a fine one, too! Eric The(Friday,Friday,Friday!)Hun
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Can I get some of that dope your smoking? 
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No dope just 2 degrees, lots of historical theology classes and 12+ years living in Middle East. |
Oh...ok, that explains it then. For most it is when they are at their worst, beaten down, poor, sick or dying that they start to see the truth. The educated, publicans, pharasis cannot see because they are puffet upand feel they know more than even God himself. |
Whoa there partner! When did I EVER say I knew more than God himself????????? All I pointed out is that i have lived amongst Muslims and know a bit about their religion. Do you know ANYTHING about it? Ever lived over there? Ever even read the Koran all the way through just once? and the correct spelling is "Pharisees" |
I don't need to live in Hell to know what evil is. |
No, you don't but ignorance is a terribly sad thing to see. |
Quick correction.... Jesus of Nazareth...... is actually Jesus the Nasorean, the town of Nazareth did not exist in Gallilee at the time of Jesus' life, this is a mistranslation. I also never said the Koran was "true" that is a matter of faith alone, just like the bible can't be proven to be "true" Truth in this case rests on faith alone. |
I agree, that is why I have such a headache reading some of this drivel. |
AHHH Yes. Look it up. Same God, in the Koran Allah is referred to as the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus. It is the same just different name. Don't take my word for it, invest in a book or two. (an academic theological book) (not something by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson or Benny Hinn) |
Then quit reading this "drivel" and buy a textbook. |