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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:36:49 PM EST
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So when does Apple give access to the ator's ICloud account to the police?
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When presented with a warrant to do so
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:37:04 PM EST
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More accurately in this case

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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:39:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:43:52 PM EST
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With the footage they have, does anyone know what they've narrowed the assault window of time to?
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:44:30 PM EST
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Excuse me.

"Assault"
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:44:53 PM EST
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Possibly one minute where they have no video.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:45:07 PM EST
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-12 seconds of time.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 5:52:26 PM EST
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Don't think CPD has given an exact time he was seen on surveillance, just the ~60 seconds that he is unaccounted for.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 6:51:30 PM EST
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"Assault"
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Excuse me.

"Assault"
Assault window?!?!?!!!!

Its a modern sporting window goddamn't!
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 6:53:26 PM EST
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 6:56:39 PM EST
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Assault window?!?!?!!!!

Its a modern sporting window goddamn't!
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Excuse me.

"Assault"
Assault window?!?!?!!!!

Its a modern sporting window goddamn't!
Double pane banned
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 7:00:03 PM EST
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Agreed. Part of me wonders if they are doing this to catch Jussie in a lie.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 7:07:04 PM EST
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Wasn't there a young woman who went missing in 2004 that was determined to be a hoax since she bought the duct tape herself? Something like she was found alive in a trunk taped up but she did it to herself? Took a couple days but there was something with the credit card company and Home Depot working together to pull surveillance tape?

ETA: Audrey Seiler

Doesn't mention specifics but I had thought it was something impressive to review and find the purchase amid all the tape from so many different stores. Might be commingling in my memory with something else.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 7:16:52 PM EST
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They're taking their sweet time with this one hoping the more time is used up, the less the public cares about what actually happened.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:24:08 PM EST
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Don't need any video to know who bought the rope
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:33:55 PM EST
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Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:37:54 PM EST
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The rope could be a complete red herring.  It could've been laying on the shelf in the utility closet when Juicy moved into his apartment.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:39:18 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:43:09 PM EST
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The clothesline could have been bought in another state.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:48:13 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 8:49:50 PM EST
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Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
City is 15 to 30 days, some legacy cameras are 12 days. Chicago OEMC

Link Posted: 2/7/2019 9:32:57 PM EST
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Wouldn't that make it a federal crime?

Interstate transport of rope in order to commit a felonious hoax?

Sounds like the Top Men at the Eff-Bee-Eye need to up their game.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 9:52:03 PM EST
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The clothesline was probably purchased near Chuck's in Riverdale.

Those from around Chicago will get the reference.

I'm sure Snuffy will get right on it.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 9:55:41 PM EST
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Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
They would need warrants to get that info...not sure how much digging they want to really do over this.
I would start with getting their phone records just to prove what times they talked to each other and for how long.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 9:58:47 PM EST
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Yep. As a cop I’ve been lied to by a “victim” and it pisses you off.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:06:26 PM EST
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Isn't choking someone with a rope around their neck part of the homo perverted sex thing? Funny how it went from a noose to just a rope around the boys neck.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:17:41 PM EST
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The clothesline was probably purchased near Chuck's in Riverdale.

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I'm sure Snuffy will get right on it.
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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:19:37 PM EST
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Yep. As a cop I’ve been lied to by a “victim” and it pisses you off.
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Agreed. Part of me wonders if they are doing this to catch Jussie in a lie.
Yep. As a cop I’ve been lied to by a “victim” and it pisses you off.
I think we will know next week.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:23:13 PM EST
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I'm not a detective but I am a fat bastage and I have trouble believing that they beat his ass and left him the sammich.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:26:09 PM EST
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They would need warrants to get that info...not sure how much digging they want to really do over this.
I would start with getting their phone records just to prove what times they talked to each other and for how long.
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
They would need warrants to get that info...not sure how much digging they want to really do over this.
I would start with getting their phone records just to prove what times they talked to each other and for how long.
Wouldn't they only need a warrant if the vendor refused to turn over the receipts?

What if the cops simply asked and the vendor said 'sure, okay, here they are'?

I'm not talking about CC information, but rather can you provide any information about what product was
sold at what time.

As far as digging goes... they already have a shitload of time, man power, expense going into this.

I don't know what CPD is like, but I suspect they want to get to the bottom of this, and
either resolve or burn someone for it.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:27:18 PM EST
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Close the Clothesline Loophole!
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:32:17 PM EST
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They're taking their sweet time with this one hoping the more time is used up, the less the public cares about what actually happened.
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They're trying to be as thorough as possible in the hope of heading off as many protests as possible when the truth finally comes out.

It won't work though.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:47:27 PM EST
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Second City Cop has a few good bits about the whole case, you have to go down a bit to find it.

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

So on the second coldest night of the year, a Hollywood actor, bundled up against -20 degree wind chill, was recognized by two "fans" in the dead of 0200 hours, on Lower Water Street (a known hangout for the seedy underbelly of MAGA supporters?) who happened to be carrying a canister of bleach and a piece of string, just in case they ran across a black, gay, Hollywood actor wrapped up against the elements in a place known more for homelessness than for the star set being seen in public.

Sounds completely believable, especially the part about this being "MAGA country" hours after the first interview and the insistence that body cameras being turned off (for a guy who makes his living in front of cameras) and the seeking of medical attention after (A) turning down an ambulance and (B) heading to the hospital hours later. Our contacts say that the "persons of interest" happened to wander into a camera frame and seem to have had nothing to do with the event in question - but the bosses want to look like they're doing something to appease Rahm and the Hollywood money people - Empire is losing money and viewers - so it's "All Hands on Dicks!"

In other news, another two percentage points were shaved off the clearance rate.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:51:44 PM EST
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Wouldn't they only need a warrant if the vendor refused to turn over the receipts?

What if the cops simply asked and the vendor said 'sure, okay, here they are'?

I'm not talking about CC information, but rather can you provide any information about what product was
sold at what time.

As far as digging goes... they already have a shitload of time, man power, expense going into this.

I don't know what CPD is like, but I suspect they want to get to the bottom of this, and
either resolve or burn someone for it.
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They sure are putting in time trying to solve this one...
Depending on the store they may not have the video of bought the rope.
Anyone know how long/how far back the city owned cameras retain footage?
They could possibly catch video of him going into one of the stores and take it from there.

The store ones are anyone's guess.

I also wonder if any of them can pull computerized transaction receipts and see when
and whom bought that particular brand of rope.
They would need warrants to get that info...not sure how much digging they want to really do over this.
I would start with getting their phone records just to prove what times they talked to each other and for how long.
Wouldn't they only need a warrant if the vendor refused to turn over the receipts?

What if the cops simply asked and the vendor said 'sure, okay, here they are'?

I'm not talking about CC information, but rather can you provide any information about what product was
sold at what time.

As far as digging goes... they already have a shitload of time, man power, expense going into this.

I don't know what CPD is like, but I suspect they want to get to the bottom of this, and
either resolve or burn someone for it.
If they're serious about trying to make a criminal case, not only against Jussie or the "MAGA Guys", sure they can ask is it possible or do you have a way of obtaining this information and then serve them with a warrant.
You're going to want this all to flow so some lawyer doesn't come in and blow you're case on a technicality. I doubt any business is going to freely give anyone that data without a warrant anyway. It's a CYA
I don't have a clue about CPD either other than Chicago is heavy liberal so there may be some push to make it go away.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:54:45 PM EST
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Assault window?!?!?!!!!

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Link Posted: 2/7/2019 11:04:58 PM EST
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When will they close the home improvement show loophole?
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 12:20:50 AM EST
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I have clothesline in my shed that is at least 20 years old.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 12:33:05 AM EST
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So, the noose is closing in on the perp?
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and $$$$. Such a waste of both, IMHO
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 12:39:18 AM EST
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In before it was a fubu hat and the perp had a soap on a rope lookin to score.
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If the Chicago PD has any balls they'll call this douchebag out when they've finally finished this circle jerk of an investigation.

If they don't, they'll sacrifice two random white guys, who had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, on the altar of political correctness.

At this point, it's a coin flip.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 6:04:22 AM EST
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I think the Defense is coming on the field.

Jussie didn't call 911, I did.

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The man who called 911 the night "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked in Streeterville spoke out nine days after the actor said two men yelled slurs, beat him and put a rope around his neck.

Frank Gatson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce, is also Smollett's creative director. When asked about the night of the attack he said, "I feel so selfish I didn't walk with him that night."

"I'm the one that called 911," Gatson said. "I'm the one who took him to the hospital. And it was so scary, man."


Sounds to me like the beginnings of an innocent-prank-gone-awry story.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 7:36:57 AM EST
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I think the Defense is coming on the field.

Jussie didn't call 911, I did.

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The man who called 911 the night "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked in Streeterville spoke out nine days after the actor said two men yelled slurs, beat him and put a rope around his neck.

Frank Gatson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce, is also Smollett's creative director. When asked about the night of the attack he said, "I feel so selfish I didn't walk with him that night."

"I'm the one that called 911," Gatson said. "I'm the one who took him to the hospital. And it was so scary, man."


Sounds to me like the beginnings of an innocent-prank-gone-awry story.
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Jussie didn't call 911, I did.

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The man who called 911 the night "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked in Streeterville spoke out nine days after the actor said two men yelled slurs, beat him and put a rope around his neck.

Frank Gatson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce, is also Smollett's creative director. When asked about the night of the attack he said, "I feel so selfish I didn't walk with him that night."

"I'm the one that called 911," Gatson said. "I'm the one who took him to the hospital. And it was so scary, man."


Sounds to me like the beginnings of an innocent-prank-gone-awry story.
"And I was responsible. I said, let's call the cops. Let's go to the hospital," Gatson said.
He's full of himself.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 9:14:16 AM EST
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Close the Clothesline Loophole!
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Close the Clothesline Loophole!
Who needs a clothesline in a world of dryers?

Millions of children die each year at the hands of clotheslines!
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 9:23:29 AM EST
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Me too. But what are the chances a rich, gay, relatively-famous black man living in Chicago has clothesline? Or a shed?
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 9:44:33 AM EST
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If the Chicago PD has any balls they'll call this douchebag out when they've finally finished this circle jerk of an investigation.

If they don't, they'll sacrifice two random white guys, who had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, on the altar of political correctness.

At this point, it's a coin flip.
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What two random white guys?  The two in the video have not gone public...and probably should not.  Plus the two may have been Honduran, black or Acidic Hasidic Jews.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 9:45:04 AM EST
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I think the Defense is coming on the field.

Jussie didn't call 911, I did.

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The man who called 911 the night "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked in Streeterville spoke out nine days after the actor said two men yelled slurs, beat him and put a rope around his neck.

Frank Gatson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce, is also Smollett's creative director. When asked about the night of the attack he said, "I feel so selfish I didn't walk with him that night."

"I'm the one that called 911," Gatson said. "I'm the one who took him to the hospital. And it was so scary, man."


Sounds to me like the beginnings of an innocent-prank-gone-awry story.
"And I was responsible. I said, let's call the cops. Let's go to the hospital," Gatson said.
He's full of himself.
Smollett isn't a child. And his choreographer isn't his guardian. Smollett is responsible.
Link Posted: 2/8/2019 9:58:25 AM EST
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What two random white guys?  The two in the video have not gone public...and probably should not.  Plus the two may have been Honduran, black or Acidic Jews.
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Corrosive!
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I think the Defense is coming on the field.

Jussie didn't call 911, I did.

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The man who called 911 the night "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked in Streeterville spoke out nine days after the actor said two men yelled slurs, beat him and put a rope around his neck.

Frank Gatson, a well-known choreographer who has worked with Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce, is also Smollett's creative director. When asked about the night of the attack he said, "I feel so selfish I didn't walk with him that night."

"I'm the one that called 911," Gatson said. "I'm the one who took him to the hospital. And it was so scary, man."


Sounds to me like the beginnings of an innocent-prank-gone-awry story.
"And I was responsible. I said, let's call the cops. Let's go to the hospital," Gatson said.
He's full of himself.
I thought his manager called 911
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They'll tag two bums off the street before they throw another minority under the bus.
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