Posted: 7/7/2009 3:45:20 PM EDT
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There are a TON of different anabolic products out there that you can buy online. Anyone here know some good anabolics that work pretty well? |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal.
I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? |
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Quoted: Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? It's actually a protein mixed with creatine and other amino acids. 53 grams of protein a serving, 18grams of creatine monohydrate, 18grams of L-Glutamine, Isoleucine, Valine, ect ect. For the past 3-4 months, I went from 165 and now I am just at about 180. I seem to have hit a wall and haven't been gaining after that. I get plenty of sleep. I dunno, maybe I am not drinking enough water or eating enough. My friend said I should eat almost every hour, and lately, sometimes I got on for 3-4 hours where I don't eat. I work out for no longer than 45 minutes or so to avoid having my body release catabolic hormones. Maybe I am just not taking in enough protein and calories. But it is really annoying the hell out of me. This is the ONLY suppliment I have been using. Starting to think about getting some pre-workout suppliments now. |
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For the past 3-4 months, I went from 165 and now I am just at about 180. I seem to have hit a wall and haven't been gaining after that. I get plenty of sleep. I dunno, maybe I am not drinking enough water or eating enough. My friend said I should eat almost every hour, and lately, sometimes I got on for 3-4 hours where I don't eat. I work out for no longer than 45 minutes or so to avoid having my body release catabolic hormones. Maybe I am just not taking in enough protein and calories. But it is really annoying the hell out of me. This is the ONLY suppliment I have been using. Starting to think about getting some pre-workout suppliments now. Drink a gallon of whole milk and day. And do your squats and deadlifts. Also, the 45 minutes thing is pure nonsense. |
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Here is a rundown of my personal best and supplementation:
Ht:5'7" wt: 215 lbs, not very lean Age:27 Bench: 405 6/09 squat: 655 5/07 now it's more like 580ish Deadlift:455 I take: Multi vitamin Creatine monohydrate-I don't buy into the hype with all the diff types Pro Complex- Protein JP8 by Desiel Labs it is the best working worst tasting pre work out sup that I have ever taken. I have NEVER used a prohormone or steriod and I always am/was able to get passed my plateaus by switching up my workouts. |
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Quoted: If you're not gaining, you're not eating enough. Plain and simple. I seriously doubt that you've actually hit such a significant training and diet wall that only AAS can break you through. Yeah, I would think so too. How often you should be eating small meals? every 2 hours or so? |
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If you're not gaining, you're not eating enough. Plain and simple. I seriously doubt that you've actually hit such a significant training and diet wall that only AAS can break you through. Yeah, I would think so too. How often you should be eating small meals? every 2 hours or so? 2-3, but in your case, I wouldn't necessarily make them all small meals. Maybe 3-4 regular meals + 3 half-size meals. |
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The rational behind eating every 2 hours is because this is about how fast the stomach empties into the small intestine . People who do eat this way may need to add more calories because they are reving their metabolism and are burning more calories in the digestive process itself.
Try to plan your meals and add 10% more calories given that you are eating in this more frequent manner. Also don't be too concerned with eating lean , your body needs plenty of fat to produce your own anabolic hormones. At the same time , fats are a dense source of calories if your getting too full trying to get enough calories through low density stuff. Example: Tbsp olive oil=120 cal. x 6= 720 calories for the day. |
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Your taking in 18g of Creatine a day? Dude, you can shut your kidneys down doing that. I would suggest no more than 5g a day. Oh look more bullshit. You can shut your kidneys down from 18g a day? Well, I guess my doctor is full of shit, AND I'm going to die any day now. I regularly use 20g of creatine a day, have been doing this for 9 years. Of course I cycle off, but I get a check up every 6 months with bloodwork done. Normal. 
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J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(1):1-7.
Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. Yoshizumi WM, Tsourounis C. Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA., USA. Creatine is a popular supplement used by athletes in an effort to increase muscle performance. The purpose of this review was to assess the literature evaluating the effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. A PubMed search was conducted to identify relevant articles using the keywords, creatine, supplementation, supplements, renal dysfunction, ergogenic aid and renal function. Twelve pertinent articles and case reports were identified. According to the existing literature, creatine supplementation appears safe when used by healthy adults at the recommended loading (20 gm/day for five days) and maintenance doses (</=3 gm/day). In people with a history of renal disease or those taking nephrotoxic medications, creatine may be associated with an increased risk of renal dysfunction. One case report of acute renal failure was reported in a 20-year-old man taking 20 gm/day of creatine for a period of four weeks. There are few trials investigating the long-term use of creatine supplementation in doses exceeding 10 gm/day. Furthermore, the safety of creatine in children and adolescents has not been established. Since creatine supplementation may increase creatinine levels, it may act as a false indicator of renal dysfunction. Future studies should include renal function markers other than serum creatinine and creatinine clearance. Total bullshit right? There have been a few cases, so you can't deny that. There are medical trials going on in regards to renal failure and long term effects of creatine use, so I guess we'll chat about it then when those are released. In the end, no need to be a duesch about it. This is a forum, people offer their .02 and if your don't like their response you don't have to adhere to it. |
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J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(1):1-7. Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. Yoshizumi WM, Tsourounis C. Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA., USA. Creatine is a popular supplement used by athletes in an effort to increase muscle performance. The purpose of this review was to assess the literature evaluating the effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. A PubMed search was conducted to identify relevant articles using the keywords, creatine, supplementation, supplements, renal dysfunction, ergogenic aid and renal function. Twelve pertinent articles and case reports were identified. According to the existing literature, creatine supplementation appears safe when used by healthy adults at the recommended loading (20 gm/day for five days) and maintenance doses (</=3 gm/day). In people with a history of renal disease or those taking nephrotoxic medications, creatine may be associated with an increased risk of renal dysfunction. One case report of acute renal failure was reported in a 20-year-old man taking 20 gm/day of creatine for a period of four weeks. There are few trials investigating the long-term use of creatine supplementation in doses exceeding 10 gm/day. Furthermore, the safety of creatine in children and adolescents has not been established. Since creatine supplementation may increase creatinine levels, it may act as a false indicator of renal dysfunction. Future studies should include renal function markers other than serum creatinine and creatinine clearance. Total bullshit right? There have been a few cases, so you can't deny that. There are medical trials going on in regards to renal failure and long term effects of creatine use, so I guess we'll chat about it then when those are released. In the end, no need to be a duesch about it. This is a forum, people offer their .02 and if your don't like their response you don't have to adhere to it. 20 grams of creatine for that period of time is excessive. In most people it'll be harmless, but it is not necessary as a maintenance dose. And this is one case report. Creatine is used by hundreds of thousands if not millions of people with no ill effects. |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? |
must check into that, nice
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. I like what Im reading about Epistane, have you used it personally? |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. I like what Im reading about Epistane, have you used it personally? No. But I know people who have. It can be extremely effective. It will also cause elevated liver enzymes while you are on it (avoid or severely limit alcohol consumption while on it). It will also cause a decrease in HDL (good cholesterol) and an increase in LDL (bad cholesterol) when it. It will also suppress natural testosterone production, meaning that Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is necessary to restore testosterone production and maintain gains made while on it. Go to a bodybuilding board that allows steroid discussion to learn about PCT. Make no mistake, this is a real steroid, and it will not be legal forever. It will not start working overnight (it will take a few days to a week before you start to notice increased strength and gains) and it requires that you work out hard and eat a lot of protein if you want to get anything out of it. I would not recommend using it unless you have gotten as far as you can naturally. I don't personally use these products but I am fascinated by the science and chemistry behind them so I've done a lot of research and consider myself pretty knowledgeable. |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. I like what Im reading about Epistane, have you used it personally? No. But I know people who have. It can be extremely effective. It will also cause elevated liver enzymes while you are on it (avoid or severely limit alcohol consumption while on it). It will also cause a decrease in HDL (good cholesterol) and an increase in LDL (bad cholesterol) when it. It will also suppress natural testosterone production, meaning that Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is necessary to restore testosterone production and maintain gains made while on it. Go to a bodybuilding board that allows steroid discussion to learn about PCT. Make no mistake, this is a real steroid, and it will not be legal forever. It will not start working overnight (it will take a few days to a week before you start to notice increased strength and gains) and it requires that you work out hard and eat a lot of protein if you want to get anything out of it. I would not recommend using it unless you have gotten as far as you can naturally. I don't personally use these products but I am fascinated by the science and chemistry behind them so I've done a lot of research and consider myself pretty knowledgeable. Im curious then, what is your take on tren then? |
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Funny thing about steroids... they're supposedly a recipe for an early funeral. In heavy doses, I don't doubt that damage can be done. I know more than a few guys who do it in moderation, and some older fighters that followed a light regimen throughout the 80's and 90's. The only guy I know personally that has problems that can be possibly directly attributed to steroids was a heavy user for a long, long time. I say possibly because he was also a fighter after his bodybuilding career and his joint problems might result from that, who knows. The hazards of steroid use seem to be blown way out of proportion, hell it was class 1 for awhile.  |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. I like what Im reading about Epistane, have you used it personally? No. But I know people who have. It can be extremely effective. It will also cause elevated liver enzymes while you are on it (avoid or severely limit alcohol consumption while on it). It will also cause a decrease in HDL (good cholesterol) and an increase in LDL (bad cholesterol) when it. It will also suppress natural testosterone production, meaning that Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is necessary to restore testosterone production and maintain gains made while on it. Go to a bodybuilding board that allows steroid discussion to learn about PCT. Make no mistake, this is a real steroid, and it will not be legal forever. It will not start working overnight (it will take a few days to a week before you start to notice increased strength and gains) and it requires that you work out hard and eat a lot of protein if you want to get anything out of it. I would not recommend using it unless you have gotten as far as you can naturally. I don't personally use these products but I am fascinated by the science and chemistry behind them so I've done a lot of research and consider myself pretty knowledgeable. Im curious then, what is your take on tren then? It's extraordinarily effective, especially in terms of strength, but it has some serious downsides. What would you like to know? |
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BushBoar, I agree with you on it being great. I have learned so much from just reading and using the search function. Also most of the logs there are full of info. To me its also a big + that the reps are there to answer most anything. I agree. I've been a member there since 2004 and the site has grown and changed a lot, but the same familiar faces are around and the presence of the reps makes a big difference. To be fair, bb.com has a lot of reps on there as well, but it's too tough to wade through all the BS to get useful info. |
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One of the guys in my squad pointed me there on this last deployment. Ever since I have been doing more research and just changing diet / workouts for now. I am about to have everything hammered out so I can start something new. I may hit you up via email sometime if you don't mind.
BB.com is pretty good but as you said there is alot of bs to filter through sometimes. |
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Trenbolone if you are wanting to go the injection route. If you want to stay semi legal go with some of the decent UTT legalized things out there. Have heard mixed reviews on some but good on others. Tren is NOT for beginners! Not a good place to start. If you are responsible enough to eat right, train religiously, have a solid PCT (post cycle therapy), and have a doctor who is willing to order regular bloodwork for you, I say go for it. Testosterone enanthate alone for 12 weeks @500mg each week is a great cycle to run. HCG throughout, and Nolvadex as PCT. This is granted that you're not under 30 yrs old. Natural test production declines steadily from approx 30 yrs on. AAS should be used as a last resort and shouldn't ever be confused as a miracle drug that will put the muscle on for you. YOU will be the one to make sure everything is in place for optimal muscle growth and recovery. Be safe, Bamther P.S. Everything I write is fiction for entertainment purposes. Nothing I write should be construed to be medical advice or anything other than fantasy role playing. Nothing I write should be acted upon. I do not encourage or condone the exchange, purchase or administration of any illegal substance. Anything I write which may appear to contradict this is understood to be written as fiction for entertainment purposes only. |
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Waste of money IMHO...That stuff can have the same negative effects as the real thing, without the gains. That being said there are some products are that get the job done pretty well for being legal. I have friends that done/do the real thing and others that stay legit. I can assure that there is not a product you can buy legally without prescription that will give you the gains as the real thing, saying that I am in no way encouraging you to try it. I am assuming you are on a good Protein and Creatine? Many of the (currently) legal anabolics on the market are actually "the real thing" but just haven't been added to the controlled substance list yet. They are effective, but should be treated as the real thing with respect to taking care of oneself during and after use (liver/cholesterol support on cycle, post cycle therapy). What products are you talking about? Or what specific "ingredient"? Epistane (and its various generic copies) and Havoc (which is closely chemically related) come to mind, but there are others. I like what Im reading about Epistane, have you used it personally? No. But I know people who have. It can be extremely effective. It will also cause elevated liver enzymes while you are on it (avoid or severely limit alcohol consumption while on it). It will also cause a decrease in HDL (good cholesterol) and an increase in LDL (bad cholesterol) when it. It will also suppress natural testosterone production, meaning that Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is necessary to restore testosterone production and maintain gains made while on it. Go to a bodybuilding board that allows steroid discussion to learn about PCT. Make no mistake, this is a real steroid, and it will not be legal forever. It will not start working overnight (it will take a few days to a week before you start to notice increased strength and gains) and it requires that you work out hard and eat a lot of protein if you want to get anything out of it. I would not recommend using it unless you have gotten as far as you can naturally. I don't personally use these products but I am fascinated by the science and chemistry behind them so I've done a lot of research and consider myself pretty knowledgeable. Im curious then, what is your take on tren then? It's extraordinarily effective, especially in terms of strength, but it has some serious downsides. What would you like to know? Sure tell me about your thoughts on it. I have read into it quite a bit. The side-effects or downsides of it doesn't seem that extreme to me compared to other popular anabolics out there. It doesnt aromatise(sp?)... You dont have the direct lead to Gyno like you can get from others without doing a serious PCT... Yes I know it is reported you can get gyno from it but its not NEARLY as common as others. You get the same acne, baldness. Yes I have heard bad things about the sleep/insomnia stuff but that all seems to be temporary... I'm not saying there isnt any 'serious' side effects but I'm advocating that tren doesn't have the SERIOUS *LONG TERM* side effects you get from other anabolics. But then again I really am not a experienced anabolic user or well have ever used a anabolic just done some research for a couple papers that's about it. So school me! eta: I have heard from some users at my gym that they have a super increased sex drive as well as a increased general anger and a much lower tolerance to normal things that pisses them off and makes them angry. But you get that with others as well... |