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Posted: 7/12/2021 8:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen what happened to the PS5? Buyers were using bots to scoop up entire inventories before other customers even had a chance at one, then flipped them for obscene prices. That's exactly price gouging. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Were you prevented from using such methods? Companies use such methods all the time. I recall a presentation at DEFCON where a guy explained how he made a bot to buy cheap used cars before other companies could from some supplier with their bots and there was a bot war over these used cars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are using a means to obtain the product that otherwise wouldn't allow them to get that much inventory bought up. Were you prevented from using such methods? Companies use such methods all the time. I recall a presentation at DEFCON where a guy explained how he made a bot to buy cheap used cars before other companies could from some supplier with their bots and there was a bot war over these used cars. Probably, I don't know how to use that shit. I would probably have tried to order online like everyone else. Really it's the retailers that fucked it up, but it was basically a forced shortage by a few people scooping up entire runs of inventory. A simple company policy for new releases being one per customer would have stopped it. Sure it's the free market in action, but some parties are playing dirty pool when it comes to buying inventory. Imagine if it wasn't something like a PS5, but a commodity required for survival. All hell would break loose. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I laugh at people who believe there is such a thing as price gouging Yep. Closet Democrats. Let me put my entire family on a hastily assembled raft to cross 90 miles of open ocean to escape capitalism, said no one ever. The market determines prices. You think the prices are too high? Then don't buy, sell instead. Desperately need something? Pay the market price. Or move to Venezuela and stand in a food line, comrade. During this panic I sold ammo I couldn't use and a pistol I hated. Life is good. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably, I don't know how to use that shit. I would probably have tried to order online like everyone else. Really it's the retailers that fucked it up, but it was basically a forced shortage by a few people scooping up entire runs of inventory. A simple company policy for new releases being one per customer would have stopped it. Sure it's the free market in action, but some parties are playing dirty pool when it comes to buying inventory. Imagine if it wasn't something like a PS5, but a commodity required for survival. All hell would break loose. If it’s a commodity required for survival and prices skyrocket people will step in and build up market inventory to profit and the shortage will die, provided no government intervention prevents them from doing so. In the end everyone wins, entrepreneurs profit and those who need the goods get them. Far better to have access to goods at high prices than to have no access at low prices. One rule of economics in a free market is that you cannot run out of a resource, it can only become cost prohibitive. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:06:46 PM EDT
[#5]
I'd work the corner to get some primers
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:07:10 PM EDT
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I get what OP is saying. Yes, there are people who are gouging and I'd never do business with one of them. Some here have voiced how proud to brag how they took advantage of others. Nothing can justify such behavior. They are not being honest and I don't do business with people who are little more than carpetbaggers and con artists. The good businessman never, ever screws his customer. He's in business for the long haul and does the right thing because it is the right thing. Word gets around good or bad.
You wouldn't go to a gun show just to get royally ripped off. Gun shows have not done a good job of protecting their reputation, much less protecting new people to the gun world from predatory dealers. It is showing as people stop going. I don't go to a gun show to buy jerky. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:07:38 PM EDT
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Start a poll on who's the real dirt bag. I think OP would be surprised.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Notes OP’s feedback. Also OP hates freedom along with a bunch of others around this place. Muh price. OMG a guy bought 6 KAC uppers and its my business what he does with them. Commies. Dont like the prices dont buy and move along. Simple as that. I love freedom. Freedom is not a cover for carpetbaggers and con artists and you know it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:11:20 PM EDT
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OP sounds butthurt
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get what OP is saying. Yes, there are people who are gouging and I'd never do business with one of them. Some here have voiced how proud to brag how they took advantage of others. Nothing can justify such behavior. They are not being honest and I don't do business with people who are little more than carpetbaggers and con artists. The good businessman never, ever screws his customer. He's in business for the long haul and does the right thing because it is the right thing. Word gets around good or bad. You wouldn't go to a gun show just to get royally ripped off. Gun shows have not done a good job of protecting their reputation, much less protecting new people to the gun world from predatory dealers. It is showing as people stop going. I don't go to a gun show to buy jerky. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not a business. In either case, the asking price is what the market will bare. No more, no less. You don't have to buy the item, someone will. The other bit fundamental thing people seem to miss is that people should be able to tell others what they are willing to part with their property for. If no one buys it than clearly their property is not worth parting with, if they do wish to part with it they will lower their prices. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freedom is not a cover for carpetbaggers and con artists and you know it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Notes OP’s feedback. Also OP hates freedom along with a bunch of others around this place. Muh price. OMG a guy bought 6 KAC uppers and its my business what he does with them. Commies. Dont like the prices dont buy and move along. Simple as that. I love freedom. Freedom is not a cover for carpetbaggers and con artists and you know it. False again. The price is exactly what people are willing to pay. No more. No less. They are not being forced to pay those prices. They dont have to pay. They can look elsewhere or not buy. Its called freedom. You hate it. I love it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not a business. In either case, the asking price is what the market will bare. No more, no less. You don't have to buy the item, someone will. It's your reputation. You want to take advantage of people says a lot about you. Price gouging refers to when retailers and others take advantage of spikes in demand by charging exorbitant prices for necessities, often after a natural disaster or other state of emergency. Thirty-nine states, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia have statutes or regulations that defining price gouging during a time of disaster or emergency. In most states, price gouging is set as a violation of unfair or deceptive trade practices law. Most of these laws provide for civil penalties, as enforced by the state attorney general, while some state laws also enforce criminal penalties for price gouging violations. [url=https://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/price-gouging-state-statutes.aspx] |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are using a means to obtain the product that otherwise wouldn't allow them to get that much inventory bought up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I laugh at people who believe there is such a thing as price gouging Have you seen what happened to the PS5? Buyers were using bots to scoop up entire inventories before other customers even had a chance at one, then flipped them for obscene prices. That's exactly price gouging. Then PlayStation mispriced their product, or failed to produce enough. Likely both. Price gouging doesn’t exist. The price is the price. They are using a means to obtain the product that otherwise wouldn't allow them to get that much inventory bought up. Not relevant. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:27:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your reputation. You want to take advantage of people says a lot about you. Price gouging refers to when retailers and others take advantage of spikes in demand by charging exorbitant prices for necessities, often after a natural disaster or other state of emergency. Thirty-nine states, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia have statutes or regulations that defining price gouging during a time of disaster or emergency. In most states, price gouging is set as a violation of unfair or deceptive trade practices law. Most of these laws provide for civil penalties, as enforced by the state attorney general, while some state laws also enforce criminal penalties for price gouging violations. [url=https://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/price-gouging-state-statutes.aspx] Oh well if the government says it’s wrong it must be. After all the government knows economics REALLY well. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh well if the government says it’s wrong it must be. After all the government knows economics REALLY well. That was very lame. Just admit you're wrong. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your reputation. You want to take advantage of people says a lot about you. Price gouging refers to when retailers and others take advantage of spikes in demand by charging exorbitant prices for necessities, often after a natural disaster or other state of emergency. Thirty-nine states, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia have statutes or regulations that defining price gouging during a time of disaster or emergency. In most states, price gouging is set as a violation of unfair or deceptive trade practices law. Most of these laws provide for civil penalties, as enforced by the state attorney general, while some state laws also enforce criminal penalties for price gouging violations. [url=https://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/price-gouging-state-statutes.aspx] The price is what the market will bare. If it's needed bad enough, a deal will be struck. If a deal isn't struck, the owner either wasn't willing to sell it, or the buyer didn't want it bad enough. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:30:08 PM EDT
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I laugh when they come at me with shit like this: “Oh noes, the $$$ rifle came with polymer sights so I am OUT OF HERE MISTER!”.
LMAO you never had the money in the first place? Magpul? Anyone ever heard of that company and what they make? 
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was very lame. Just admit you're wrong. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:30:29 PM EDT
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OP If you don’t like the price feel free to not buy otherwise it’s none of your business.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:31:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Before coming to ARFCOM, I used to believe that price gouging was an evil thing. Turns out, it's just Capitalism. Who knew?
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:33:00 PM EDT
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Lol good luck getting AK prices back to "normal". Its a reality of imports and parts kits drying up.
Hell a Bulgy 5.45 is an easy 1800+ gun now. I can't even imagine what a Krink parts kit would sell for. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:33:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I sold a bunch of my fort for reasonable prices, I’m not going to live long enough to shoot it all. Or will I? Either way, I made some cash and hooked people up when there was nothing to be had. I’ve lived these cycles before. 
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:36:09 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "I know what I have" Don't waste my time. Or yours! |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:38:25 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was very lame. Just admit you're wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh well if the government says it’s wrong it must be. After all the government knows economics REALLY well. That was very lame. Just admit you're wrong. Have you ever even heard the names Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell? |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:38:36 PM EDT
[#26]
I'll pay a premium to members who at least post pics
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:39:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Before coming to ARFCOM, I used to believe that price gouging was an evil thing. Turns out, it's just Capitalism. Who knew? People who have thought about the subject longer than 35 minutes. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:44:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your reputation. You want to take advantage of people says a lot about you. Price gouging refers to when retailers and others take advantage of spikes in demand by charging exorbitant prices for necessities, often after a natural disaster or other state of emergency. Thirty-nine states, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia have statutes or regulations that defining price gouging during a time of disaster or emergency. In most states, price gouging is set as a violation of unfair or deceptive trade practices law. Most of these laws provide for civil penalties, as enforced by the state attorney general, while some state laws also enforce criminal penalties for price gouging violations. [url=https://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/price-gouging-state-statutes.aspx] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not a business. In either case, the asking price is what the market will bare. No more, no less. You don't have to buy the item, someone will. It's your reputation. You want to take advantage of people says a lot about you. Price gouging refers to when retailers and others take advantage of spikes in demand by charging exorbitant prices for necessities, often after a natural disaster or other state of emergency. Thirty-nine states, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia have statutes or regulations that defining price gouging during a time of disaster or emergency. In most states, price gouging is set as a violation of unfair or deceptive trade practices law. Most of these laws provide for civil penalties, as enforced by the state attorney general, while some state laws also enforce criminal penalties for price gouging violations. [url=https://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/price-gouging-state-statutes.aspx] That "gouging" is the only thing keeping shelves from going bare and allows those products to get to people who actually need them. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:45:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure it's frowned upon here to call members dirtbags... |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:02:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get what OP is saying. Yes, there are people who are gouging and I'd never do business with one of them. Some here have voiced how proud to brag how they took advantage of others. Nothing can justify such behavior. They are not being honest and I don't do business with people who are little more than carpetbaggers and con artists. The good businessman never, ever screws his customer. He's in business for the long haul and does the right thing because it is the right thing. Word gets around good or bad. You wouldn't go to a gun show just to get royally ripped off. Gun shows have not done a good job of protecting their reputation, much less protecting new people to the gun world from predatory dealers. It is showing as people stop going. I don't go to a gun show to buy jerky. I'm in the business of selling ammo and gun parts/accessories and I charge market price for items I sell. Why should I sell for low prices just so neckbeards can buy me out and make all the profit in a panic market? That's leaving money on the table. Idiot buyers are the ones driving prices to ridiculous levels, why blame the seller for trying to make money. The same 9mm ammo that I was selling the last year for up to $40/box I had on my gun show tables the previous years for $12/box. I'm sure everybody then thought I was gouging by trying to make more than $1 on a box of ammo. It's not my fault people wait for high prices to stock up. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:09:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd work the corner to get some primers |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:10:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The other bit fundamental thing people seem to miss is that people should be able to tell others what they are willing to part with their property for. If no one buys it than clearly their property is not worth parting with, if they do wish to part with it they will lower their prices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not a business. In either case, the asking price is what the market will bare. No more, no less. You don't have to buy the item, someone will. The other bit fundamental thing people seem to miss is that people should be able to tell others what they are willing to part with their property for. If no one buys it than clearly their property is not worth parting with, if they do wish to part with it they will lower their prices. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:22:33 PM EDT
[#33]
If you don't like the price don't buy. Wait.
If you act like a bitch people are going to treat you like a bitch. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:31:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:34:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Interesting seeing someone with actual negative feedback calling others dirtbags.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:37:58 PM EDT
[#36]
OP doesn’t know what price gouging means.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:44:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Market value is market value. They just don't realize the values aren't as high as they were two months ago.
That said I think damn near everything is high on EE. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:48:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I find it hilarious as I'm browsing through the EE and looking at posts where people are still price gouging. It's like "no bro, nobody is going to pay $1000 more for your kac upper or $700 for your case of 9mm or $2300 for your arsenal." It warms my heart knowing those dirt bags are still trying to sell said item after months, and I wasn't stupid enough to do that like some people out there. Have fun with your $10k in product you can't sell anymore lol. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:49:41 PM EDT
[#39]
It's impossible to price gouge on luxury items.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:50:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are using a means to obtain the product that otherwise wouldn't allow them to get that much inventory bought up. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:54:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: I find it hilarious as I’m browsing through the EE and looking at posts where people are still price gouging. It’s like “no bro, nobody is going to pay $1000 more for your kac upper or $700 for your case of 9mm or $2300 for your arsenal.” It warms my heart knowing those dirt bags are still trying to sell said item after months, and I wasn’t stupid enough to do that like some people out there. Have fun with your $10k in product you can’t sell anymore lol. The only people I've ever heard use the word price gouging are Socialists or Communists. Which one are you, OP? |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:56:39 PM EDT
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Assholes need to stop price gouging me on NVDA stock. I'm willing to pay $5 a share and that's it! It's not fair Vangard and Blackrock bought all the shares with their bots and drove the price up. You should be limited to 1 share per person, per visit.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:59:00 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So? Why is anyone entitled to a PS5 at a particular price? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are using a means to obtain the product that otherwise wouldn't allow them to get that much inventory bought up. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:59:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Notes OP’s feedback. Also OP hates freedom along with a bunch of others around this place. Muh price. OMG a guy bought 6 KAC uppers and its my business what he does with them. Commies. Dont like the prices dont buy and move along. Simple as that. I love freedom. Good catch... gives me a secondary reason to click him. Two people I don’t want to do business with: 1) Communists 2) Welchers In this thread we have a twofer |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:00:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's impossible to price gouge FIFY |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:01:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if it's a mod that's also a cop? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, you can't call a SPECIFIC member a dirtbag. What if it's a mod that's also a cop? I love this place. 
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:01:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I laugh at people who believe there is such a thing as price gouging This and op's troll post trying to stir shit up by name calling. 
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:03:28 PM EDT
[#48]
Don't buy it if the price is too high for you.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:06:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:06:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen what happened to the PS5? Buyers were using bots to scoop up entire inventories before other customers even had a chance at one, then flipped them for obscene prices. That's exactly price gouging. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I laugh at people who believe there is such a thing as price gouging Have you seen what happened to the PS5? Buyers were using bots to scoop up entire inventories before other customers even had a chance at one, then flipped them for obscene prices. That's exactly price gouging. Literally not price gouging as it literally does not exist |
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