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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:55:32 PM EST
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I don't get anime porn, why not the real thing?
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:55:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get anime porn, why not the real thing? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:56:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:  I knew it, there was no good way to put that i don't see women chasing after them at the saw shop, however.  I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that has to be done on foot. Industrial Mechs would be revolutionary for this kind of work. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:59:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that had to be done on foot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I knew it, there was no good way to put that i don't see women chasing after them at the saw shop, however. I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that had to be done on foot. Is there only one? Or do paper mills on flat elevations log too? Where you are maybe not so much mechanized logging. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:02:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are artwork to be admired exactly like a real life beautiful woman. You will have just as much chance with an instagram model as you will a cgi girl which is zero. I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:04:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. I agree with that. Never understood that mantra. Both parties need to be happy for a healthy relationship. Communication and a common goal is also required. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:05:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there only one? Or do paper mills on flat elevations log too? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I knew it, there was no good way to put that i don't see women chasing after them at the saw shop, however. I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that had to be done on foot. Is there only one? Or do paper mills on flat elevations log too? Yup, there's only one type of logging, and it involves chainsaws and choker setters. Flatlander logging is more like brush hogging a field...  Fwiw, the mills where I grew up still had kilns, as the original method of transporting logs was by river. The idea of someone riding and floating a log jam down river still impresses me. ETA: If that's what passes for a "tree" in your area, we're definitely talking about different things.  No offense intended, I just sometimes forget to think outside my little corner of the world. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:05:50 PM EST
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:09:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Did you have a good day cutting down trees, my love? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:09:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, I thought you’d be furrier Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some people are taking this thread WAY too seriously. Here's a CG chick that's more GD's style. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/495488/CG_-_witch_jpg-1795010.JPG I sent you my pic for your eyes only. It violates CoC to post it without my permission.  Huh, I thought you’d be furrier Shes attractive. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:09:57 PM EST
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:12:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you have a good day cutting down trees, my love? I bought a clearance chainsaw at walmart a while back. How far does that get me? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:13:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you have a good day cutting down trees, my love? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Did you have a good day cutting down trees, my love? Now that you've had your nap, you can see that I'm still a bit tired from it. A little rubbing would stave off tomorrow's soreness. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:13:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Drives my wife nuts though. I'm pretty sure we are done. Im an alpha in the truest sense of the word ( I do what I want without caring what others think) and it drives her nuts. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:13:40 PM EST
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Reminds me of the weird holographic girlfriend JOI in Bladerunner 2049.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:14:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. Bull-fucking-shit. The only pic in the entire thread that "may" be construed as even underage (well beside The Little Mermaid, but that's Disney's fault  ) is the Japanese schoolgirl: Attached FileAnd that picture is as sexually stimulating as College Algebra and chosen to show what CGI can do these days. For the love of God, stop trying to insinuate something is child porn lite just because you don't fucking like it! Y'all sound like a bunch of scheming commies trying to "rewrite the narrative". 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:15:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seconded Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Y’all are a bunch of weirdos. Seconded Motion passed |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:18:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. I don't know. It looks like he chewed that poptart into a gun shape. It's a little disturbing. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:21:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. It looks like he chewed that poptart into a gun shape. It's a little disturbing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. I don't know. It looks like he chewed that poptart into a gun shape. It's a little disturbing. Holy shit. Click. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:23:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More "holy shit", cgi is getting good stuff: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/495488/Screen_Shot_2019_01_29_at_5_47_48_PM_0_j-1794898.JPG  Attached Filehttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/495488/Baolong-Zhang-Daenerys-Targayen-Khaleesi-1794903.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/495488/artwork-3d-render-cgi-fantasy-art-hd-wal-1794904.JPG |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:23:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, there's only one type of logging, and it involves chainsaws and choker setters. Flatlander logging is more like brush hogging a field... Fwiw, the mills where I grew up still had kilns, as the original method of transporting logs was by river. The idea of someone riding and floating a log jam down river still impresses me. ETA: If that's what passes for a "tree" in your area, we're definitely talking about different things. No offense intended, I just sometimes forget to think outside my little corner of the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I knew it, there was no good way to put that i don't see women chasing after them at the saw shop, however. I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that had to be done on foot. Is there only one? Or do paper mills on flat elevations log too? Yup, there's only one type of logging, and it involves chainsaws and choker setters. Flatlander logging is more like brush hogging a field... Fwiw, the mills where I grew up still had kilns, as the original method of transporting logs was by river. The idea of someone riding and floating a log jam down river still impresses me. ETA: If that's what passes for a "tree" in your area, we're definitely talking about different things. No offense intended, I just sometimes forget to think outside my little corner of the world. Same here. Would love to be a logger but I would prob be the one to catch a 2K# tree to the head. Riding the river would be sweet too. I also forget the world is bigger than my back yard too. (And that was just a random photo) |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:23:45 PM EST
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In a few years you won't be able to tell the difference.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:27:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know Kristen Stewart is kind of one dimensional but calling her a fake human is kind of uncool. It's CG...so is the Emilia Clarke pic. Still amazing to me that we've actually arrived at a place technologically where we can digitally reproduce people sans the "uncanny valley" effect. Strange to have to adapt to living in a world where you just can't tell what's real and what's not anymore. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:28:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drives my wife nuts though. I'm pretty sure we are done. Im an alpha in the truest sense of the word ( I do what I want without caring what others think) and it drives her nuts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Drives my wife nuts though. I'm pretty sure we are done. Im an alpha in the truest sense of the word ( I do what I want without caring what others think) and it drives her nuts. There are many possible disconnects within a particular marriage. Overlooked incompatibility, mood or personality disorders, differing levels of emotional maturity, etc. Getting one thing right isn't going to win the day with respect to a long-term, intimate relationship. Diagnosing the aforementioned disconnects requires a long series of "deep dives", generally speaking. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:28:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a few years you won't be able to tell the difference. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:31:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better than "real" ones They are by my measure the least gay thing to lust after. If you like human females you're pretty gay because at one time they were a sperm cell that came out of a dick and that's gay as fuck, and I will not participate in that shit because I'm with Christ. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:31:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are artwork to be admired exactly like a real life beautiful woman. You will have just as much chance with an instagram model as you will a cgi girl which is zero. I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. I find it odd you perceive it to look like children I am thinking it may be you |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:44:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. Would love to be a logger but I would prob be the one to catch a 2K# tree to the head. Riding the river would be sweet too. I also forget the world is bigger than my back yard too. (And that was just a random photo) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I knew it, there was no good way to put that i don't see women chasing after them at the saw shop, however. I have a feeling most loggers run machines these days than saws unless machines can’t get there. You've obviously never lived in a logging community. Even with helicopter logging, there's a lot of work that had to be done on foot. Is there only one? Or do paper mills on flat elevations log too? Yup, there's only one type of logging, and it involves chainsaws and choker setters. Flatlander logging is more like brush hogging a field... Fwiw, the mills where I grew up still had kilns, as the original method of transporting logs was by river. The idea of someone riding and floating a log jam down river still impresses me. ETA: If that's what passes for a "tree" in your area, we're definitely talking about different things. No offense intended, I just sometimes forget to think outside my little corner of the world. Same here. Would love to be a logger but I would prob be the one to catch a 2K# tree to the head. Riding the river would be sweet too. I also forget the world is bigger than my back yard too. (And that was just a random photo) I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I'll just post some links instead of videos. https://youtu.be/Rgh5uYW7GEg https://youtu.be/cWW9kvDujL4 Back on topic, I have mixed feelings about this. Way back when, I knew a guy obsessed with Princess Jasmine from Aladdin, which we all thought was creepy. I believe he was also into hentai, which strangely seems less creepy than being attracted to Princess Jasmine... I love what CGI has done for the video game industry, creating some very realistic and life-like NPCs to interact with. I remember the obsession many had with Lara Croft, but I was more impressed by NPCs like Alyx in Halflife 2. The problem is that things may be too realistic now, as shown by some of the photos in this thread. We've already seen what Deep Fakes can do, and how prolific Willem Defoe is... I would almost prefer for everything to remain in uncanny valley territory, like Alita: Battle Angel. I'd rather know that fakes are fake, and feel the same way about robots and AI. If it's too realistic, how could you ever know what is truly real? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:46:01 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already good enough that if pornstars started signing on to be in a VR simulation game, many of the people in this thread will suddenly stop talking shit, and oculus sales will mysteriously skyrocket. Bank on that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In a few years you won't be able to tell the difference. Teledildonics is the future of the porn industry! |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:47:55 PM EST
[#30]
Phos is the only CG girl for me
   I’d also settle for Dia  |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:59:33 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's CG...so is the Emilia Clarke pic. Still amazing to me that we've actually arrived at a place technologically where we can digitally reproduce people sans the "uncanny valley" effect. Strange to have to adapt to living in a world where you just can't tell what's real and what's not anymore. It will be even more bizarre once we get into even more immersive VR, but the real terror will come once they're able to manipulate or implant memories. Then you really won't be able to know what's real or not. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:00:05 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's too realistic, how could you ever know what is truly real? Realistically though it will mostly be abused, and we will become further dehumanized and isolated from one another, like technology already has, but hey what can you do about it? 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:08:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many possible disconnects within a particular marriage. Overlooked incompatibility, mood or personality disorders, differing levels of emotional maturity, etc. Getting one thing right isn't going to win the day with respect to a long-term, intimate relationship. Diagnosing the aforementioned disconnects requires a long series of "deep dives", generally speaking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, I can't honestly speak about dating today. I've been married over half my life (yes to the same woman), I'm confident that if I suddenly became a little bitchy pushover faggot, my wife would leave me. And I wouldn't blame her. Not something I am worried about happening however. If a man goes by the "happy wife, happy life" philosophy, his wife (or woman) will abandon the relationship in some way, even all the way. Women don't respect those men, even is they don't realize it due to buying into the feminist narrative that fights their genetics/evolution. Not coincidentally, men don't respect that man, either, and for the same reasons. Drives my wife nuts though. I'm pretty sure we are done. Im an alpha in the truest sense of the word ( I do what I want without caring what others think) and it drives her nuts. There are many possible disconnects within a particular marriage. Overlooked incompatibility, mood or personality disorders, differing levels of emotional maturity, etc. Getting one thing right isn't going to win the day with respect to a long-term, intimate relationship. Diagnosing the aforementioned disconnects requires a long series of "deep dives", generally speaking. Yes, nothing is so simple. I know exactly who each of us is and what is wrong with our relationship. We both bear responsibility. I happen to be the more honest with myself though. Such is life. Ego, rationalization and the hubris of human nature. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:09:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it could actually be used for wholesome purposes, like letting those see deceased family again. It's not the HEALTHIEST thing since it's still a fake, but some people really can't cope with loss, and I think it'd be better than some of the alternative coping mechanisms. Realistically though it will mostly be abused, and we will become further dehumanized and isolated from one another, like technology already has, but hey what can you do about it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it's too realistic, how could you ever know what is truly real? Realistically though it will mostly be abused, and we will become further dehumanized and isolated from one another, like technology already has, but hey what can you do about it? The problem is that's when you get into BTL (Better Than Life) addiction. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:13:20 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In for the silliness  3d guys can be good But 2d is better than 3d i say!  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/391660/sample_ae570ad2bc74e9be5a632f1cc5d2183c-1526140.jpg  Attached FilePass ! Elbows to pointy ! |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:17:26 PM EST
[#36]
I’d be willing to guess 1/3 in this thread think Buffalo bill is a misunderstood victim.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:20:32 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be willing to guess 1/3 in this thread think Buffalo bill is a misunderstood victim. The other 2 have people chained in their basements Yes he was misunderstood. Those Penny dreadfuls just did not do old Bill justice.  Attached FileLuckily he got a second chance and came back as Gun Jesus.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:35:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be willing to guess 1/3 in this thread think Buffalo bill is a misunderstood victim. The other 2 have people chained in their basements You're incorrect. It's not my own basement. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:16:33 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. Click. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. I don't know. It looks like he chewed that poptart into a gun shape. It's a little disturbing. Holy shit. Click. Lol, so it is okay to act like the Left? You agree that projecting your thought crimes onto a 2d drawing is acceptable? We are doomed. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:19:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, so it is okay to act like the Left? You agree that projecting your thought crimes onto a 2d drawing is acceptable? We are doomed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know. A lot of the stuff being posted in this thread looks like little kids. It's a little disturbing. I don't know. It looks like he chewed that poptart into a gun shape. It's a little disturbing. Holy shit. Click. Lol, so it is okay to act like the Left? You agree that projecting your thought crimes onto a 2d drawing is acceptable? We are doomed. I'm joking. I dont ignore. Pop tart reference made me is all.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:19:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of the weird holographic girlfriend JOI in Bladerunner 2049. If you want to fall in love with AI/a robot, watch Ex Machina. Great movie and the lead female is very attractive (and not human). |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:21:03 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lumberjacks would hang out near forests, i'd reckon. maybe hit up your local chainsaw shop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where are these lumberjack types?? Must be very few and far between. (Although I'm sure you'll say you have one because... games) maybe hit up your local chainsaw shop. So, do lumberjacks call it ‘running a mill’ instead of ‘running a train’? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:23:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is that's when you get into BTL (Better Than Life) addiction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If it's too realistic, how could you ever know what is truly real? Realistically though it will mostly be abused, and we will become further dehumanized and isolated from one another, like technology already has, but hey what can you do about it? The problem is that's when you get into BTL (Better Than Life) addiction. As in Ready Player One |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:31:24 PM EST
[#44]
Not yet.
But they are getting close. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:34:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Y’all are a bunch of weirdos. And here you are...
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:36:48 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't you kids interested in real girls anymore? Not like they'd ever get any into the basement anyway. At least they can edit out the pointy elbows....... |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:40:14 PM EST
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I was listening to a business conference call recently. The analyst asked a CEO a very poignant question. The CEO replied I like getting these questions, ones that we hadn’t thought of before.
That being said, I’d like to ask my pastor who is 100% dead set against porn about CGI porn. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:19:40 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I became attracted to a cgi man, I'd go to a shrink and do everything I had to do to not be attracted to it. It's a fucking abomination like furries or necrophilia. Get help. CGI chicks don't nag.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:20:31 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Different principle entirely. Men and women getting scammed has nothing to do with men and women being sexually attracted to cartoons. Men and women being attracted to cartoons is pathetic and an abomination. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I became attracted to a cgi man, I'd go to a shrink and do everything I had to do to not be attracted to it. It's a fucking abomination like furries or necrophilia. Get help. But women get attracted to scammers on dating sites and give all their money to someone they never met. Same principle, chasing a fantasy. At least CGI won't take your money. Different principle entirely. Men and women getting scammed has nothing to do with men and women being sexually attracted to cartoons. Men and women being attracted to cartoons is pathetic and an abomination. What if they look real? It is wrong to think "That's hot". |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:25:02 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryIn before "that's my fetish"...
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