Posted: 1/28/2016 2:19:48 AM EDT
| Is there anyone in GD that is against term limits? |
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Of course not. Career politicians are exactly what's wrong with this country today. Well, the Democratic process is what is ruining this country but that's a whole nother thread.
A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. Whether Tocqueville, Tytler, or Peterson first said it, it is still true. All democracies fail and fall into a dictatorship. The best we can hope for as an armed nation is that it is a benevolent dictatorship (or Monarchy) and will fix America's flaws without having to pander for the gay vote, or hispanic vote, or promise to build a new bridge in this county, or more tanks than the army wants, or any of the nonsense we have to deal with today. America was breathing her last breaths in 1800, she's just taking a longer time to die than we thought. But history proves that she will go with a whimper. |
| Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should not be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. |
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Is there anyone in GD that is against term limits? I am. It is a terrible idea. Under the current system there is a semblance of responsibility to the electors, even if it seems petty and typical. With term limits in place, selection of candidates would degenerate into party positions. This idea is so bad, it almost doesn't merit discussion. Imagine pulling the D lever or the R lever for a robot that simply does the will of it's political leaders. I know it doesn't seem like our shitbird politicians are much different, but term limits would turn American political positions into something akin to the politburo. It would be the single most disastrous event in American political history. The scariest thing about this idea is that the voters are very susceptible to it. IMO, term limits support is an immediate indicator of stupidity. Also, this info is 100% pearls before swine. |
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Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? |
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Term limits will not change anything. Terrible people will still send terrible politicians to represent them. Feinstein's constituents will pick someone just as bad or worse than her when she is gone. But you are wrong. Term limits will make things worse. The founders and authors of the American system knew what they were doing. Fuck. |
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Term limits will not change anything. Terrible people will still send terrible politicians to represent them. Feinstein's constituents will pick someone just as bad or worse than her when she is gone. Which is why if we had a way to hit the shitty ones where it hurts, (the wallet) it would be effective. But they already took care of that by making it so we never can. IMHO No politician should be paid more then 150k a year. I wonder how many would instantly jump ship if that could take effect immediately. |
| 100% against term limits. At least the thought of having to convince the electorate to send you back for another term offers some level of check against insanity. I would repeal the 22nd Amendment as well. Forcing the president to govern with the hopes of being reelected is a good thing. |
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I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? Quoted:
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Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? I get the idea, that only someone who gives a damn and knows how to manage his money will try for such a position. ETA: I'm still going  to your reply, so I suppose we're even there.
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For president, yes. Congress, no. Only because it's the system we have. People complain about the presidential pardons we see at the end of term, imagine the YOLO legislation that would get shit out if a majority congress knew they were out of time. Your goddamned right about that. "Shitting out YOLO" is a precise descriptor for what we would have with term limits. Congress critters should be fighting tooth and nail and achieving nothing most of the time. Look what happens when enough of them agree on a party issue: Obamacare happens. Let's call it YOLOcare. |
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I get the idea, that only someone who gives a damn and knows how to manage his money will try for such a position. Quoted:
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Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? I get the idea, that only someone who gives a damn and knows how to manage his money will try for such a position. That is naive and wrong. First, you dismiss the potential for the position to produce tertiary income (Clinton foundation, Goldman Sachs, etc). Then, you ASSUME that shit pay will attract quality people, as opposed to con men that game the system or folks WORTH low pay. How does any of this make sense? Do you vote? With a thought process like that? Holy fuck I hope not. |
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That is naive and wrong. First, you dismiss the potential for the position to produce tertiary income (Clinton foundation, Goldman Sachs, etc). Then, you ASSUME that shit pay will attract quality people, as opposed to con men that game the system or folks WORTH low pay. How does any of this make sense? Do you vote? With a thought process like that? Holy fuck I hope not. Quoted:
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Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? I get the idea, that only someone who gives a damn and knows how to manage his money will try for such a position. That is naive and wrong. First, you dismiss the potential for the position to produce tertiary income (Clinton foundation, Goldman Sachs, etc). Then, you ASSUME that shit pay will attract quality people, as opposed to con men that game the system or folks WORTH low pay. How does any of this make sense? Do you vote? With a thought process like that? Holy fuck I hope not. Sanders for president |
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Quoted: I am. It is a terrible idea. Under the current system there is a semblance of responsibility to the electors, even if it seems petty and typical. With term limits in place, selection of candidates would degenerate into party positions. This idea is so bad, it almost doesn't merit discussion. Imagine pulling the D lever or the R lever for a robot that simply does the will of it's political leaders. I know it doesn't seem like our shitbird politicians are much different, but term limits would turn American political positions into something akin to the politburo. It would be the single most disastrous event in American political history. The scariest thing about this idea is that the voters are very susceptible to it. IMO, term limits support is an immediate indicator of stupidity. Also, this info is 100% pearls before swine. Quoted: Quoted: Is there anyone in GD that is against term limits? I am. It is a terrible idea. Under the current system there is a semblance of responsibility to the electors, even if it seems petty and typical. With term limits in place, selection of candidates would degenerate into party positions. This idea is so bad, it almost doesn't merit discussion. Imagine pulling the D lever or the R lever for a robot that simply does the will of it's political leaders. I know it doesn't seem like our shitbird politicians are much different, but term limits would turn American political positions into something akin to the politburo. It would be the single most disastrous event in American political history. The scariest thing about this idea is that the voters are very susceptible to it. IMO, term limits support is an immediate indicator of stupidity. Also, this info is 100% pearls before swine. The system we have sucks, but its better than anything else. Wait, I take that back - we should repeal the 17th Amendment. The popular election of Senators has taken a lot of power from the states on the national stage. The founders had it right. |
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I am. It is a terrible idea. Under the current system there is a semblance of responsibility to the electors, even if it seems petty and typical. With term limits in place, selection of candidates would degenerate into party positions. This idea is so bad, it almost doesn't merit discussion. Imagine pulling the D lever or the R lever for a robot that simply does the will of it's political leaders. I know it doesn't seem like our shitbird politicians are much different, but term limits would turn American political positions into something akin to the politburo. It would be the single most disastrous event in American political history. The scariest thing about this idea is that the voters are very susceptible to it. IMO, term limits support is an immediate indicator of stupidity. Also, this info is 100% pearls before swine. Quoted:
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Is there anyone in GD that is against term limits? I am. It is a terrible idea. Under the current system there is a semblance of responsibility to the electors, even if it seems petty and typical. With term limits in place, selection of candidates would degenerate into party positions. This idea is so bad, it almost doesn't merit discussion. Imagine pulling the D lever or the R lever for a robot that simply does the will of it's political leaders. I know it doesn't seem like our shitbird politicians are much different, but term limits would turn American political positions into something akin to the politburo. It would be the single most disastrous event in American political history. The scariest thing about this idea is that the voters are very susceptible to it. IMO, term limits support is an immediate indicator of stupidity. Also, this info is 100% pearls before swine. And if you outlaw all political parties? Because parties are corruptible. You end up with unelected leaders that have more say over the elected officials than the citizens who put them in office, just like you see today as the Vichy Republicans try to force Yeb on us. |
| One more thing: with term limits, every senator and almost every representative are always lame ducks, which means they don't have any pressure to vote based on the wishes of their electorate and alternatively, will vote based on whatever gig they have lined up after they leave office. |
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Of course not. Career politicians are exactly what's wrong with this country today. I used to think so, too. The real problem is our political parties, however. What difference does it make to force politicians out of office when their party, who really controls the country, stays? PartyPuppet v134.2 gets outed due to term limits, replaced by PartyPuppet v134.3. Nothing changed for the puppeteer. Men should run for office on their own merit, and citizens should vote for them based on the same. |
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Not really, but I could see augmenting things. 3 terms of the President, but Congress gets term limits too, to many career politicians sitting up there. Of course I would also say neither the president or congress should be paid more then the national mean salary. See how many jump ship the moment that took effect. The only ones left, would be the ones that actually gave a damn. I want a president and congresscritter that are worth $10,000,000 a year. You want a president that is worth $30,000 a year. Will you use the same logic when you search for a heart surgeon or a cancer specialist? Where the fuck do people get these shortsighted stupid ideas? I get the idea, that only someone who gives a damn and knows how to manage his money will try for such a position. That is naive and wrong. First, you dismiss the potential for the position to produce tertiary income (Clinton foundation, Goldman Sachs, etc). Then, you ASSUME that shit pay will attract quality people, as opposed to con men that game the system or folks WORTH low pay. How does any of this make sense? Do you vote? With a thought process like that? Holy fuck I hope not. Sanders for president Ladys and Gentleman, the great orator has stepped down from his podium with the above parting words. |
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Is there anyone in GD that is against term limits? Term limits do not accomplish anything useful. California has adopted them for just about everything, for example, and yet all of the problems term limits were meant to cure persist or have worsened. Being a career politician just means office-jumping, now, not that having a career in politics is inherently bad (most of our Founders held political office for most of their adult lives; all but a handful held some sort of political office during their lives). On top of this lack of accomplishment, term limits also through out the good with the bad and prevent people from acquiring the experience that allows for greater stability and sounder judgment. You can also create a lame duck syndrome, which is of course usually bad in its effect. Truly, if a person is doing his job well, there is no reason to remove him, especially in an arbitrary manner. He should be allowed to stay in office until he either does bad or decides that he longer wishes to remain in office, or is incapable of it. I believe this extends to the President as well and would be fine with repealing the 22nd Amendment. |