Posted: 10/23/2007 8:43:55 AM EDT
| Just out of curiosity, whats everyones opinion on Hydroxycut? And then whats your opinion on mixing it with Atkins? I know it doesn't have ephedra in it anymore. IF Hydroxycut is supposed to burn fat, and seeing as how Atkins burns fat, shouldn't the two together give you even better results? Or would your body start to burn off to much fat at once? |
Que? How is that conflicting? I'm baffled by that statement. I've been under 20g of carbs a day for 7 weeks. Just a few grams from my shakes and yolks. I take an ECA stack before lifting 5X/week. I'm down 40ish pounds, with no appreciable loss of strength/muscle mass. |
Well... if you're doing keto right (as with any new diet), your metabolism will change. Fat is now the chief source of energy in your body, so your body metabolises it first. Let's throw some hydroxycut in there too. Great, now you're presumeably hyper-metabolic (remember, your metabolism was already sped up by your diet?) and can't eat faster than you're metabolising everything. You'd crash pretty quick if you only had a few pounds to lose in the first place, especially if you're in the gym. Perhaps conflicting was the wrong word, but use your imagination.
If you've got a lot [of fat] to lose, you'll lose a lot. If you're doing keto or any diet correctly, you won't experience diminished strength or loss of precious muscle mass. |
Ok, but say you had 40lbs to lose.... |
Improve your diet. Pharmaceuticals are a waste of time/money/health/younameit if you haven't already exhausted all other approaches. You need to be patient. ETA: Put it this way. Pills don't make you fat, food does. Food should be the first thing you change. |
| Ok, like I said, I was just wondering. So far I'm down about 45lbs, and I've got another, well, between 25-40lbs to drop. I really don't know what my end goal is going to be. I started at 300lbs, now I'm in the mid 250's. In high school I was around 230lbs with a fairly flat stomach. Since then I've got a little taller, and thicker, so 240lbs may be about right for me, don't know. |
Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin ETA: A 10:1 C:E ratio has been shown to have synergistic effects. The aspirin is primarily to keep the blood pressure from spiking too high, although it supposedly frees lipids, or some such nonsense. |
Can you still find Ephedrine - I used that stack in college and lost 60lbs fairly quickly - but cannot find ephedrine anymore? |
Negatory. IIRC, the FDA banned its use in weight loss applications only, killing the zillion dollar ECA market, but leaving mini-thins, and their ilk, on the shelves of the local quickie mart. I have heard that the ban on ephedra in dietary supplements is being challenged, or will be soon. This information is worth exactly what you paid for it. |
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I'm not sure which is more more pathetic, your complete ignorance of the dozens, if not hundreds, of studies relating to ECA consumption in humans, or the knee- jerk, drugs are bad, mkay, reaction. WW and Nutrisystem are great. I would use them if I wanted to drop 100 pounds of muscle mass, and learn how to pee sitting down. Your utter lack of knowledge on the subject matter makes you useless to the conversation. |
Whale shit, lemme see what I can dig up on the old interweb. You're telling me you don't see ephedrine based products at every truckstop you go to? |
ETA, I'm pretty anti chemical myself. My mom had a brain anuerysm from taking OTC weight loss meds with PPA (phenylpropalopamine) It was considered safe for years, so I'm weary of it all. I don't see a need for any of it. |
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Ban was challenged, and upheld. From FDA website: Update: On May 14, 2007, the Supreme Court denied certiorari in the case of Nutraceutical Corp vs. von Eschenbach. The denial of certiorari means that the Supreme Court declines to review the Aug. 17, 2006, decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit that upheld FDA's 2004 regulation banning dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids. Accordingly, the Tenth Circuit's decision stands and the regulation is in full force. |
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This man just told ya'll everything you need to know. Except I would try to eat 8 meals a day. I went from 235-245 to 180 with stomach/esophagus surgery (the best weight loss plan in the world involved an esopagus malfunction that causes 6 months of throwing up every other bite of food, 5 and a half days of nothing but IV, and a week and a half of only liquids). I was put on a diet like the one specified above (except I consume salt) and I have maintained 180 for 3 weeks so far. |
Here's an example of a full meal plan. This is 2 day's worth of a 5-day plan I did for another member trying to lose weight without exercise: Day 1 - Breakfast 1/2 cup raw Oats, cooked in water (microwaved 1 minute), 1/4 cup 1-2% milk, 1/2 tsp brown sugar UNPACKED (not packed down in the measuring unit, not overflowing either) AND 1 cup low-fat (1-2%) cottage cheese, 1 medium banana (7" to 7-7/8") chopped Lunch 1/2 boneless skinless chicken breast (cooked any way without adding fat) on 2 slices of WHOLE WHEAT bread (120-140 cals per slice) Snack 1 banana, 1 apple Dinner 3.5oz salmon fillet, 1 cup white rice, 10 medium asapragus spears (5.25" to 7"), 1 tbsp olive oil Salmon can be cooked any way without adding fat, asparagus is great with lemon pepper. Olive oil is for garnishing the whole dish. Before bed 1 glass (16oz) of 1% milk Carbs: 46% Protein: 32% Fat: 22% Total: 1832 kcal Day 2: Breakfast 3 egg whites, 1 whole egg, cooked without adding fat (you will need a cooking spray though, find one that has 0 cals) AND 1/2 cup oatmeal, 1/4 cup milk, 1/2 tsp brown sugar Lunch 10 slices turkey on 2 slice of WW bread Snack Apple, banana, 1 cup cottage cheese Dinner 1 chicken breast, 10 pearl onions, 10 broc flowerets, 1 cup white rice - cooked any way you want without adding fat Before Bed 16oz glass of milk before bed Carbs: 44% Protein: 39% Fat: 18% Total: 1861 kcal Don't pay attention to the portion sizes here. Just make sure that you avoid eating until you're stuffed. Just eating cleaner and understanding what you're eating will go a long enough ways towards losing weight in fat. |
WOW!! Seeing that add up to ~1900 calories, I KNOW that I am eating TOO MUCH every day. Could I add lettuce/spinach (for bulk in the belly) to those meal plans w/o negatively affecting it? |
SNS, those calories were determined based on this individuals height, weight, sex, age, and lifestyle. They are very specific and I wouldn't recommend following them to the last digit. Your only guideline is to keep from stuffing yourself. Just eat to satisfaction and you'll be fine. However, if you'd like to get more specific, please feel free to IM me the above information (h/w//s/a). And yes, green, leafy lettuce adds almost no calories to any meal. Same with any vegetable. A plate loaded with veggies and a moderate serving of meat just like the meal plan is very balanced. |
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I have two pages of what I can and can not eat (the can not eat list is alot longer than what I can eat) I will type the "Sample Menu" and then add some things I cant have for my diet. My diet was prepared by a surgeon and nutritionists at Vanderbilt Hospital for patients who have had an operation called "heller myotomy with partial dor fundoplication". The diet is made to keep me healthy and it is full of things that are easy to digest and high in protien. I will stick with this diet (but add chicken and corn) once I am released. You might also notice that everything on here is easy to chew, easy to digest, and easy to exit the body. BREAKFAST Oatmeal 1/2 cup Scrambled Egg 1 Whole wheat bread 2 slices Margarine 2-tsp grape jelly 1-tbsp sugar 1-tsp milk 1/2 cup (I am allowed coffee) MORNING SNACKS Orange juice 1/2 cup milk 1/2 cup (I usually have a protien shake, yogurt, or more eggs) LUNCH Vegtable Soup 1-cup Lean hamburger -3oz (the leanest money can buy, I also eat buffalo) bun- 1 medium letuce and tomato mustard 1-tso ketchup 1-tsp 1 half canned peach AFTERNOON SNACK Puddin 1/2 cup DINNER (good stuff) Broiled fish 3oz Mashed potatoes 1/2 cup green peas 1/2 cup lettuce salad 1 cup french dressing 2 tsp roll 1 medium margarine 2 tsp. peeled baked apple milk 1/2 cup BEDTIME SNACK milk 1/2 cup with 3/4 cup dried cereal I cannot have carbonated beverages. I canot have alchohol. I cant have anything fried, not even 1 french fry. No hard snack foods (no chips), No bacon, chicken, turkey, or beef (those are digestion issues for me). Usually I will cook alot of fish or ground beef and mashed potatoes and sweet peas and I will eat throughout the day. My meals are small, I might have 5 spoonfulls of mashed taters, half a can of sweet peas, and 1 oz of beef, then for the next one switch beef with talapia, and at dinner have spaghetti for 3 meals before bed (with home made sauce, to keep the garbage out). I think the key to my diet is like I already stated, its easy going down, easy passing through, and high in protien and low in crap. I dont eat snack cakes, or drink anything carbonated (I hardly intake high fructose corn syrup at all). I dont have snacks, I just continue the meal I was eating before. Having been on this diet my stomach has shrunk so my brain tells me I am full faster than normal. When I get done eating a meal I feel like I used to after thanksgiving, it lasts about 10 min. then an hour or two later I feel like I havent eaten all day and I fill up again. I feel awesome! I now realize how the soft drinks and the wendys and the other garbage I was eating was dragging me down. I used to have to sleep 8 hours a night, wake up to a red bull, and push through the day, I was a wreck and didnt know it. Last night I slept 4 hours, the night before 3, and tonight I had a 30 min. nap and will sleep 2 hours with 8-9 hours of work in between. I am tired at the end of the day, but I am not worn out. I hate to be wordy, but it is amazing how the things that you put in your body affect how you operate. Dont eat fried food, or HFCS or fast food. |