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2/29/2004 6:20:25 PM EDT
Just saw a report on the local news about cars being stolen with "master keys". The reporter ordered some off of the internet and they went around in store parking lots with a cop and (with owner permission) broke into peoples cars with them.

Anyone seen/used these things?

Any ideas on how to modify the locks in your own vehicle to prevent these from working?
3/1/2004 3:09:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Carl Draga
3/1/2004 3:18:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've seen those websites (it was a long time ago).  It's the reason why the Toyota Camry is the most-stolen vehicle, I think.

When I lost the keys to a rental, I had a locksmith come help me out.  He had the blanks for each make, and a book of codes for each make of car.  He'd punch the codes into the machine, and crank out a master key.  But my car was so new, and this was on Kauai, he didn't have the right codes for it.

I guess the best defense against that would be to buy a "Club" thing to secure the steering wheel.
3/1/2004 3:20:08 PM EDT
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Carl Draga
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what does a guy who got fed up with .gov hassles and murdered a few people have to do with master keys to your car being easily available via mail order?
3/1/2004 3:20:46 PM EDT
[#4]
Car thieves call them jiggle keys.

Often thwarted by a simple homegrown kill-switch installation. They dont want to spend too much time trying to get the car started.
3/1/2004 3:25:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've seen those websites (it was a long time ago).  It's the reason why the Toyota Camry is the most-stolen vehicle, I think.

When I lost the keys to a rental, I had a locksmith come help me out.  He had the blanks for each make, and a book of codes for each make of car.  He'd punch the codes into the machine, and crank out a master key.  But my car was so new, and this was on Kauai, he didn't have the right codes for it.

[red]I guess the best defense against that would be to buy a "Club" thing to secure the steering wheel.[/red]
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A zip saw and the club comes off in a few seconds, if they want  it  they got it. A hidden kill switch  is the best bet,
3/1/2004 3:28:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Charles  (Chuck) Thomas [?]
3/1/2004 3:32:48 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Car thieves call them jiggle keys.

Often thwarted by a simple homegrown kill-switch installation. They dont want to spend too much time trying to get the car started.
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Or by more 'advanced' ignition systems that rely on electronic key-IDs to verify the authenticity of a key....
3/1/2004 3:35:19 PM EDT
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Car thieves call them jiggle keys.

Often thwarted by a simple homegrown kill-switch installation. They dont want to spend too much time trying to get the car started.
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Or by more 'advanced' ignition systems that rely on electronic key-IDs to verify the authenticity of a key....
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I belive my Impala has that in it.

There is also the vice grips master key.
3/1/2004 3:37:27 PM EDT
[#9]
The best defense is a fully insured vehicle.

If the goblin has set his sights on your car, it is going to be his.

I don't even lock my car doors.
3/1/2004 3:40:38 PM EDT
[#10]
I lost my keys at a friend's house a year or two ago. Quick trip to the hardware store and I had a new key that said something like "Fits Mazda MX-6, 90-91". From what I remember, it only cost a few bucks, and worked on all the locks/ignition. Old car, though.. had I said, "I need a master key for a 2002 Ford Thunderbird" or some such, I doubt I'd have had much luck.
3/1/2004 4:07:25 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Car thieves call them jiggle keys.

Often thwarted by a simple homegrown kill-switch installation. They dont want to spend too much time trying to get the car started.
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Or by more 'advanced' ignition systems that rely on electronic key-IDs to verify the authenticity of a key....
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Costing $100 to replace when lost and a PITA to get in the first place? No thanks, I'll take my chances with the legit thieves.
3/1/2004 4:26:10 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
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Car thieves call them jiggle keys.

Often thwarted by a simple homegrown kill-switch installation. They dont want to spend too much time trying to get the car started.
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Or by more 'advanced' ignition systems that rely on electronic key-IDs to verify the authenticity of a key....
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Costing $100 to replace when lost and a PITA to get in the first place? No thanks, I'll take my chances with the legit thieves.
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Um, how often do you lose your keys?  Btw you must have some really old and/or crappy cars to not have the electronic ID keys.  Why "take your chances"?  I mean, even if I forget to lock my car nobody is going to start it up (unless there is some f-ing "master" electronic key).  Btw on my 5 series BMW, if you lock the car with the remote it is impossible to open the doors, even from the inside (so the manual said... just to make sure I locked a couple of my buddies in the car and they couldn't get out..I sure as hell wasn't going to lock myself in there and test it).  
3/1/2004 9:08:51 PM EDT
[#13]
i have them, but they are really no big deal, locks are just to keep the good guys honest, i have used mine multiple times to help people who are locked out
3/1/2004 9:14:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Don't know where you get your electronic keys, guys, but the ones for my cars were $25 ea...