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My recruiter back in the day said that his mos was atomic demolitions munitions specialist
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For a while there people went crazy and made all kinds of shit they shouldn't have.
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Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -Robert J. Hanlon
Fact is stranger than fiction -Mark Twain |
Originally Posted By ludder093: For a while there people went crazy and made all kinds of shit they shouldn't have. View Quote Yes they did. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_ |
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This is what my Dad did in the late 60s
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Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!!
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The idea being that they could be deployed on a "maybe" basis and make a judgement call. They were also more precise than any other delivery system during that time.
It was basically a suicide mission. I can't imagine toting those fuckers around was high on anyone's list of to-dos. Legend has it that there were M30s all over west germany at one point. Just parked in little out of the way spots. Waiting for some cat to come along to set them and GTFO. |
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Did they make one with a yield above 1kton? Wiki says that was the max.
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Gaston: Where is my Practical Tactical 45?
Guess I should go buy one now.... |
The Green Light teams. Generally considered to be one way missions by the team members due to the fusing limitation.
Man, the middle Cold War was really dire. Senior military and even a lot of politicians had the direct memory of WW2 and Korea. The USSR rolled up eastern Europe and brutally suppressed political movements in Hungary and Czechoslovakia by outright mass murder, and Comintern was running wild globally. Communist revolutions across Africa, Asia and the Americas. Europeans trying their damnedest to appease the USSR and play the US to pay for Socialism at the same time. Everyone watched the Soviets machine gun men, women and children trying to cross the wall to the West...no one had ever heard of trying to keep people in a political system from simply leaving before. They turned eastern Europe into a prison for a half century. Under the pressure, technology advanced so fast some people believed it had to be aliens. What a time. |
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12E MOS. Knew one odd little dude who enlisted as as 12E. He barely made it out of the reception station.
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Originally Posted By feudist: The Green Light teams. Generally considered to be one way missions by the team members due to the fusing limitation. Man, the middle Cold War was really dire. Senior military and even a lot of politicians had the direct memory of WW2 and Korea. The USSR rolled up eastern Europe and brutally suppressed political movements in Hungary and Czechoslovakia by outright mass murder, and Comintern was running wild globally. Communist revolutions across Africa, Asia and the Americas. Europeans trying their damnedest to appease the USSR and play the US to pay for Socialism at the same time. Everyone watched the Soviets machine gun men, women and children trying to cross the wall to the West...no one had ever heard of trying to keep people in a political system from simply leaving before. They turned eastern Europe into a prison for a half century. Under the pressure, technology advanced so fast some people believed it had to be aliens. What a time. View Quote Spot on. My old Team SGT told me about the Green Light teams and the reality was you basically graded the munition until it went off |
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I think Marcinko wrote that the rumor was there was no fuse. Just arm and big badaboom.
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Originally Posted By JAD762:
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad. And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about. |
Gotta be something else to willingly strap a nuke to your back.
Now its got me wondering is there any sort of residual gamma coming off it or idle nukes in general or is that not really a thing? |
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Always been fascinated by those. They have the whole setup displayed at the Nuke museum in LAS. It was just a way to take out point targets, in the days before gps/Ins/laser guided munitions.
Future nukes will be even smaller. |
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GD- "It's kind of like wading through through slimy lake bed with your feet to find clams below the surface".
- gtfoxy |
Originally Posted By Tuco22: Gotta be something else to willingly strap a nuke to your back. Now its got me wondering is there any sort of residual gamma coming off it or idle nukes in general or is that not really a thing? View Quote Nukes are not black magic. All the radiation is measurable. |
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GD- "It's kind of like wading through through slimy lake bed with your feet to find clams below the surface".
- gtfoxy |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: The idea being that they could be deployed on a "maybe" basis and make a judgement call. They were also more precise than any other delivery system during that time. It was basically a suicide mission. I can't imagine toting those fuckers around was high on anyone's list of to-dos. Legend has it that there were M30s all over west germany at one point. Just parked in little out of the way spots. Waiting for some cat to come along to set them and GTFO. View Quote My battalions German Defensive Plan included an ADM prechamber in the Fulda Gap, that we were to defend at all cost. We could not pull back until released by a COE officer. It was one of the strange cases where a 2LT could give a LTC orders "at the direction of the POTUS." |
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Soldier for Life
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I want the backpack.....
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Originally Posted By GlocksareGood: Did they make one with a yield above 1kton? Wiki says that was the max. View Quote I thought I had read something about them having a larger yield, like in the 5-10kt range, but I would trust wiki over my memory. There was also rumors about how we lost a number of them, some said it was half a dozen and others said it was closer to 20. One of the fictional what-if Cold War books I read discussed using W33 based nukes that were loaded in vehicles. |
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Originally Posted By Tuco22: Yeah, i meant is there anything measurable above background like a smoke detector or fresh 238, only wondering cuz it's strapped to your back. View Quote Would really depend on pit design and shielding, most warheads by that time were pretty low radiation in static storage. |
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I think there is/was a member here with firsthand knowledge of those things
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Originally Posted By Subnet: "Easily the most honkified truck I've ever heard. He pulls that rope like a 13 year old beats his dick."
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Originally Posted By Tuco22: Gotta be something else to willingly strap a nuke to your back. Now its got me wondering is there any sort of residual gamma coming off it or idle nukes in general or is that not really a thing? View Quote It is a thing. I have a friend who worked around nukes in the AF and has the same letter in his medical records about radiation exposure that the guys who were in the above ground nuke test got. It freaked out his VA examiner who could not believe it was real. |
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RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA,Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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It's all fun and games until Mohamed walks up to the steps of the Capitol building with his backpack nuke and says "this one is for Allah". Or until Won Hung Low does the same thing and says "Xi would be so proud of me".
kwg |
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: It is a thing. I have a friend who worked around nukes in the AF and has the same letter in his medical records about radiation exposure that the guys who were in the above ground nuke test got. It freaked out his VA examiner who could not believe it was real. View Quote Dang, do they wear any sort of dosimetry? |
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LOL, Two of my favorite "Duh Fuqh Were Dey Tinking" nukes. I get bombs just small enough to get in the bomber. I get bombs built to wipe out a city. I get "Mutually Assured Destruction". But Davy Crocketts and SADM's...still had soldiers assigned to USE them if ordered. Oughta tell ya something......
Which brings the question....what did they DO with all of those? Under the SALT treaty(s) they had to be decommissioned. Removing the physics packages from the rest of the device probably wasn't enough. So the radioactive cores were stored, the tritium, explosives, electronics were removed and recycled and the actual bomb casings probably got shredded too. Or, they kept some complete or mostly complete for, you know, a rainy day LOL. I doubt even supply knows where all their shit is. I'm pretty sure there was at least one Air Force General that wasn't about to let anybody destroy all those W53 9 megatonners off the Titan missiles, LOL. Nopt to mention some other stuff that "might come in handy someday". Originally Posted By ludder093: For a while there people went crazy and made all kinds of shit they shouldn't have. View Quote Originally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Yes they did. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_ View Quote |
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Originally Posted By azratt: I want the backpack..... View Quote I did 2 tours in the Berlin Brigade Feb 89-Dec 90, Oct 92-94, was there when The Wall was opened. During CQ Duty, you were only allowed to read military manuals or other "educational" BS. I remember leafing through the Berlin Brigade Phonebook, it would list every phone number and fax for every unit down to Rifle Company, Supply, NBC Room, Arms Room, etc All except one page, "Special Security Detachment-Berlin", which had its own page but only one phone number was listed, there were rumors about high speed types in The City, gossip, latrine bullshit, etc. Little known fact, there was a "secret" Special Forces Detachment "A" of the 10SFG out of Bad Tolz (then), that specialized in counter-terrorism and irregular warfare. Their main mission was ODAs trained and equiped to be 'stay behind" Teams that would build resistance networks and hit targets of opportunity to help tie down as many Warsaw Pact forces around Berlin as possible. They had pre-established weapons and explosives caches around the city. Another little known fact, Berlin has more miles of canals than Venice, Italy. There are still tunnels and drainage culverts that go under the Berlin Wall. There were more Combat Diver certified SF guys per capita in Berlin than most any other ODA in the Regiment. The ODAs were trained to use scuba as well as closed circuit rebreather systems to infiltrate into East Berlin/East Germany through the Spree Canal and other waterways. One of the tasks included the deployment of Mk54 SADMs in rear areas of East Germany/East Berlin like troop marshalling areas, rail yards, highway and rail bridges, etc. Rumors were there were several Mk54 SADM pre-positioned in West Berlin until the Wall was opened in November 1989. They also trained to parachute into East Germany with the Mk54 from the USAF Tempelhof Air Field in the American Sector. |
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1995 M1025A2 5SFG GMV ODA525 "Hammerhead"
1995 M1025A2 3SFG GMV ODA391 "Roughnecks" |
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That's a lot of backpack whoop-ass.
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Stuff I learned from A-Team: 1)Always pity da fool 2)Carry wire cutters (you may need to defuse a bomb or start a car) 3)Never trust a crazy fool 4)Carry grenade launcher/machine guns in the van 5)Know how to weld 6)Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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Any PSA daily deals on these things?
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Forgive me as I can’t remember the screen name.
There is a member here who trained for the SADM mission (ODA???) and has awesome stories. Hopefully he will chime in. |
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Somebody's reading/listening to Jack Carr's 'Only the Dead'.
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Semper Fi Dog Rescue adopter
Bullets, blades, bourbon, and buoyancy. Not necessarily in that order. |
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Originally Posted By Kobolowsky_Tires: LOL, Two of my favorite "Duh Fuqh Were Dey Tinking" nukes. I get bombs just small enough to get in the bomber. I get bombs built to wipe out a city. I get "Mutually Assured Destruction". But Davy Crocketts and SADM's...still had soldiers assigned to USE them if ordered. Oughta tell ya something...... Which brings the question....what did they DO with all of those? Under the SALT treaty(s) they had to be decommissioned. Removing the physics packages from the rest of the device probably wasn't enough. So the radioactive cores were stored, the tritium, explosives, electronics were removed and recycled and the actual bomb casings probably got shredded too. Or, they kept some complete or mostly complete for, you know, a rainy day LOL. I doubt even supply knows where all their shit is. I'm pretty sure there was at least one Air Force General that wasn't about to let anybody destroy all those W53 9 megatonners off the Titan missiles, LOL. Nopt to mention some other stuff that "might come in handy someday". View Quote PANTEX plant outside of Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer |
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LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY,
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!! |
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: PANTEX plant outside of Lubbock Texas. Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By Kobolowsky_Tires: LOL, Two of my favorite "Duh Fuqh Were Dey Tinking" nukes. I get bombs just small enough to get in the bomber. I get bombs built to wipe out a city. I get "Mutually Assured Destruction". But Davy Crocketts and SADM's...still had soldiers assigned to USE them if ordered. Oughta tell ya something...... Which brings the question....what did they DO with all of those? Under the SALT treaty(s) they had to be decommissioned. Removing the physics packages from the rest of the device probably wasn't enough. So the radioactive cores were stored, the tritium, explosives, electronics were removed and recycled and the actual bomb casings probably got shredded too. Or, they kept some complete or mostly complete for, you know, a rainy day LOL. I doubt even supply knows where all their shit is. I'm pretty sure there was at least one Air Force General that wasn't about to let anybody destroy all those W53 9 megatonners off the Titan missiles, LOL. Nopt to mention some other stuff that "might come in handy someday". PANTEX plant outside of Lubbock Texas. Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer Pantex is northeast of Amarillo IIRC. Lubbock is roughly two hours south of Amarillo. ETA: corrected |
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I require alcohol, red meat, hot naked women, and large quantities of small arms and ammo. My other hobbies are soft, furry bunny rabbits, pretty butterflies, and balloons in pastel colors.
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RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA,Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: PANTEX plant outside of Lubbock Texas. Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer View Quote Is Pantex nearer Lubbock or Amarillo? If closer to Lubbock I sure blew my chance for a tour when I was at Texas Tech. |
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Knight of Blunder - Fogo '21
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I visited the Atomic Museum in Las Vegas and one of the displays they had was of this backpack nuclear munition prop on display. They didn't have name or display card to it but it looks just like the ones in this thread.
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Ice Station Zebra Associates
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Wasn’t the SNUKE smaller than the SADM ?
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Originally Posted By Scott_S: Is Pantex nearer Lubbock or Amarillo? If closer to Lubbock I sure blew my chance for a tour when I was at Texas Tech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scott_S: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: PANTEX plant outside of Lubbock Texas. Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer Is Pantex nearer Lubbock or Amarillo? If closer to Lubbock I sure blew my chance for a tour when I was at Texas Tech. If you were attending Texas Tech, you were too busy downing cold beers, eating Stubbs BBQ, and partying with the beautiful Texas Tech wimminz to bother with a Pantex tour. |
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I require alcohol, red meat, hot naked women, and large quantities of small arms and ammo. My other hobbies are soft, furry bunny rabbits, pretty butterflies, and balloons in pastel colors.
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Originally Posted By Scott_S: Is Pantex nearer Lubbock or Amarillo? If closer to Lubbock I sure blew my chance for a tour when I was at Texas Tech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scott_S: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: PANTEX plant outside of Lubbock Texas. Decommissioned various nuclear weapons to Recycle "Critical National Security Strategic Materials". @Kobolowsky_Tires Bigger_Hammer Is Pantex nearer Lubbock or Amarillo? If closer to Lubbock I sure blew my chance for a tour when I was at Texas Tech. It's less than 20 miles outside of Amarillo. Sorry - my panhandle geography went a bit "dyslexic" I couldn't see the forest because of all those trees! ... Bigger_Hammer |
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LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY,
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!! |
He'll see everything. He'll see the big board!
TX, USA
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I wouldn't mind having one. It would be an interesting conversation piece.
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“America is a whorehouse where the revolutionary ideals of your forefathers are corrupted and sold in alleys by vendors of capitalism.”
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No matter what the percentage is from the mineshaft gap our mineshafts have been engineered to be free of the middle class population. The shaft space was to be allocated to the protected classes. However since the protected classes cannot understand normal thinking (c.u.n.t.) the middle class is responsible to continue digging mineshafts so that the protested classes can spend their reparations. |
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Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young
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I am looking at that back pack and wondering how much room there was for candy. It doesn’t seem like a lot. They should rethink their approach.
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Originally Posted By ludder093: For a while there people went crazy and made all kinds of shit they shouldn't have. View Quote Research and engineering was the Wild West back in the old days. Many projects pursued with (what we would now consider) a complete disregard for safety or ethics. I mean, the Demon Core alone claimed two lives simply because the researchers messing with it were careless. |
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Originally Posted By smokinghole: Would really depend on pit design and shielding, most warheads by that time were pretty low radiation in static storage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By smokinghole: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Yeah, i meant is there anything measurable above background like a smoke detector or fresh 238, only wondering cuz it's strapped to your back. Would really depend on pit design and shielding, most warheads by that time were pretty low radiation in static storage. They also weren't in close contact with a person nearly 24/7 either... |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a: There was a trainer ruck system on Gunbroker 2 years ago for $6000 I think.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/SADM2_jpg-2828016.JPG I did 2 tours in the Berlin Brigade Feb 89-Dec 90, Oct 92-94, was there when The Wall was opened. During CQ Duty, you were only allowed to read military manuals or other "educational" BS. I remember leafing through the Berlin Brigade Phonebook, it would list every phone number and fax for every unit down to Rifle Company, Supply, NBC Room, Arms Room, etc All except one page, "Special Security Detachment-Berlin", which had its own page but only one phone number was listed, there were rumors about high speed types in The City, gossip, latrine bullshit, etc. Little known fact, there was a "secret" Special Forces Detachment "A" of the 10SFG out of Bad Tolz (then), that specialized in counter-terrorism and irregular warfare. Their main mission was ODAs trained and equiped to be 'stay behind" Teams that would build resistance networks and hit targets of opportunity to help tie down as many Warsaw Pact forces around Berlin as possible. They had pre-established weapons and explosives caches around the city. Another little known fact, Berlin has more miles of canals than Venice, Italy. There are still tunnels and drainage culverts that go under the Berlin Wall. There were more Combat Diver certified SF guys per capita in Berlin than most any other ODA in the Regiment. The ODAs were trained to use scuba as well as closed circuit rebreather systems to infiltrate into East Berlin/East Germany through the Spree Canal and other waterways. One of the tasks included the deployment of Mk54 SADMs in rear areas of East Germany/East Berlin like troop marshalling areas, rail yards, highway and rail bridges, etc. Rumors were there were several Mk54 SADM pre-positioned in West Berlin until the Wall was opened in November 1989. They also trained to parachute into East Germany with the Mk54 from the USAF Tempelhof Air Field in the American Sector. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner63a: Originally Posted By azratt: I want the backpack..... I did 2 tours in the Berlin Brigade Feb 89-Dec 90, Oct 92-94, was there when The Wall was opened. During CQ Duty, you were only allowed to read military manuals or other "educational" BS. I remember leafing through the Berlin Brigade Phonebook, it would list every phone number and fax for every unit down to Rifle Company, Supply, NBC Room, Arms Room, etc All except one page, "Special Security Detachment-Berlin", which had its own page but only one phone number was listed, there were rumors about high speed types in The City, gossip, latrine bullshit, etc. Little known fact, there was a "secret" Special Forces Detachment "A" of the 10SFG out of Bad Tolz (then), that specialized in counter-terrorism and irregular warfare. Their main mission was ODAs trained and equiped to be 'stay behind" Teams that would build resistance networks and hit targets of opportunity to help tie down as many Warsaw Pact forces around Berlin as possible. They had pre-established weapons and explosives caches around the city. Another little known fact, Berlin has more miles of canals than Venice, Italy. There are still tunnels and drainage culverts that go under the Berlin Wall. There were more Combat Diver certified SF guys per capita in Berlin than most any other ODA in the Regiment. The ODAs were trained to use scuba as well as closed circuit rebreather systems to infiltrate into East Berlin/East Germany through the Spree Canal and other waterways. One of the tasks included the deployment of Mk54 SADMs in rear areas of East Germany/East Berlin like troop marshalling areas, rail yards, highway and rail bridges, etc. Rumors were there were several Mk54 SADM pre-positioned in West Berlin until the Wall was opened in November 1989. They also trained to parachute into East Germany with the Mk54 from the USAF Tempelhof Air Field in the American Sector. My I suggest? I was involved with the logistical support of a green light mission while station while at Ft. Devens. It was eye opening to say the least. I do not believe they would have been coming home. I'll defer to our Green Light Team member on the forums if he chooses to jump into this thread. 18Z50 |
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