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Originally Posted By Gamma762: It's not really a thing. Submariners used to sleep inches away from the warheads. There was/is a different grade of active material ("supergrade") that's extra low external radiation used for some applications like the submarine-borne warheads, and probably these also to make them harder to detect. That said the radiation level from a regular warhead is very low and not a hazard. View Quote It's a little more complicated than that. INRAD is a well-characterized topic. It is a keyword that will perk up the intelligence community's ears up. That's because it is a double-edged sword. on the good side, it is how politicians are hoping we can tell if they have denuclearized without needing critical foreign nuclear weapons design information. on the bad side, it is how you can tell a great deal about how US systems are configured and composed. There is some information on the topic available if one knows where to look: Attached File All that to say.... Some systems are fairly benign. Some, I have been told were so hot they baked the paint off of the outer shell. This goes to the heart of weapons design.
These factors are what goes into what they call 'design margins'. A weapon system with conservative design margins has a lot of very pure, active materials with a lot of compression and neutron generation. It also makes for a pig in footprint and weight and cost. But, it will probably work. A system with slim margins results in compromising one attribute for another, and under the principle of stacking tolerances, reduces the propensity of the system to function as needed when one component or subsystem has marginal performance due to age or miscalculation. For instance, perhaps you want a lightweight system. You would need to accentuate certain portions over others to get to the design yield. Maybe you need one that can be shoehorned into a particular shape, such as a cone. That means a lot of things are going to have to suffer. The biggest magic they do is creating a system that will fit into a small cone that has to be under a certain amount of weight. That's what the difference between a system that can be made simply but delivered by conex versus one that is the size of a trash can and can pop up from the ocean, fly through space and then hit a location within a car-sized circle comes in. Remember, they figured all that out essentially with slide rules and drafting boards and very, very simple computers relative to today. |
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Ok, last bump and I'll quit annoying everybody with this.
For those of you that grew up with CBT, these two things are what computer based training sprang from. This film series came out in chunks over the years in various frame rates and resolutions. I have not bothered to collect all the pieces and stitch it together, but this one is pretty close: Atomic Weapons Orientation - Declassified Defense Department Film (Project 30-11--54) Then, here is another. This is a more complete version (see how many systems you can pick out!), but it is at 240p. Technical Proficiency Inspection (1963) I have some reverence for these; you'd have to sign some papers inside a room with windows that had curtains in metal tracks inside a building inside a couple of fences (!) to even be aware they existed at most points in nuclear weapons history. Now they are on youtube with cat videos. I can only imagine what videos are molding inside a vtr in nevada right now that could be coaxed out if only someone would pick up the mantel and FOIA them... |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: Ok, last bump and I'll quit annoying everybody with this. For those of you that grew up with CBT, these two things are what computer based training sprang from. This film series came out in chunks over the years in various frame rates and resolutions. I have not bothered to collect all the pieces and stitch it together, but this one is pretty close: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSqOUbgTyc Then, here is another. This is a more complete version (see how many systems you can pick out!), but it is at 240p. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEfGVwndUsE I have some reverence for these; you'd have to sign some papers inside a room with windows that had curtains in metal tracks inside a building inside a couple of fences (!) to even be aware they existed at most points in nuclear weapons history. Now they are on youtube with cat videos. I can only imagine what videos are molding inside a vtr in nevada right now that could be coaxed out if only someone would pick up the mantel and FOIA them... View Quote You get out of here with that "I'll stop annoying you" nonsense. This is fascinating info even if I don't have the physics background to understand half of it. |
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Originally Posted By thezentree: You get out of here with that "I'll stop annoying you" nonsense. This is fascinating info even if I don't have the physics background to understand half of it. View Quote Agreed. Thanks to those of you who can share info. I'm curious to here if the new Oppenheimer movie will release actual information, maybe even some new info, or if it will be primarily dumbed down to "Glowing material goes boom...I become death...how sad...the end." |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: Agreed. Thanks to those of you who can share info. I'm curious to here if the new Oppenheimer movie will release actual information, maybe even some new info, or if it will be primarily dumbed down to "Glowing material goes boom...I become death...how sad...the end." View Quote About 99% of LITTLE BOY has made it into the open. About 90% of FAT MAN is out there. While there is a TON of history that's being lost, most of the technical data has seeped out. Some by people who worked with it, some coming back around from the people that stole it from the USG, and mostly from Energy and Defense themselves. A lot of HC Paxtons' work on criticality for non-defense purposes came from utilizing pit materials, for instance. On the FAT MAN, the only thing that isn't out with any surety is the geometry of the URCHIN component. We know the exact size, and there are very compelling data available to discuss the composition. For instance, the guy that pressed the initial pits for the FAT MAN test and combat units... then took some of the glassy sand, and some lucite, and this is probably classified, don't look if you are holding: Click To View Spoiler ... made them for people! Kept a couple for his self, and then brought it to some reunions, where Alex Wellerstein and John Coster-Mullen almost snapped their necks when they saw it. Behold: Attached File anyway, LITTLE BOY got its pants pulled down pretty good by Energy thanks to Hazel O'Leary, and JCM with his toy borescope finished it off: Click To View Spoiler He realized that instead of how everyone has gotten it wrong; that the projectile (PZ for cannon cockers) is hollow, and if it could make it fully home before reactivity melted it, would nestle on top of the target rings (TZ). Anyway, I understand fully why nonproliferation wonks are scared about it; the early war reserve stuff was made with primitive tools and methods within easy reach of Khyber Pass gunsmithys. Funny thing about wonks, they also gatekeep in that they feel they need to know everything in order to more accurately forecast doom and gloom, then they refuse to tell the whole story in their papers. lol I personally would be more concerned about the 8" arty M422/W33 system. It is completely out in the wind, having been stolen at first, and then a trainer round walked over to the soviets by a disgruntled nco in germany according to legend. That's a compact, proven-design gun-assembled conservative margin system. All you need is active material in quantity and some shop tools you can buy at harbor freight now* You definitely could make more systems with slimmer margins using the same amount of material, but for a 'look at what I can do' first strike, it would be hard to beat. (*This by no means is a slight at the skill the Y12 machinists built up over the years, or to suggest trivially working with high hazard materials to precise dimensions, I am simply saying... go watch 'applied science' and 'tech ingredients' on youtube, and tell me that with a fatalistic 'middle east' attitude towards lifespan it's not in one's reach once you can source the fismat) |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: So the C-wire falls from the ceiling if someone tries to take the silver box at the back of the bunker....Indianna Jones boulder-style? Or is it just to stop tunneling through the ceiling? The 10yo in me wants it to fall on thieves if they move the shiny box View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Brundoggie: My only work with MADM was the EOD procedures for disarming in various configurations. PACOM didn't have any allocated so I never worked on them. I know what that is in the ceiling of the magazine but never encountered it in any of the storage areas I worked in. My understanding is that some storage locations also employed sticky foam as a protective measure but again I never personally encountered it. So the C-wire falls from the ceiling if someone tries to take the silver box at the back of the bunker....Indianna Jones boulder-style? Or is it just to stop tunneling through the ceiling? The 10yo in me wants it to fall on thieves if they move the shiny box The wire falls on top of the items. the talcum powder/DM agent generator clogs your masks, blinds you, and causes immediately incapacitating vomiting if you remove your mask. Halon systems in the later bunkers added another way to die. Then you had the hassle of the real QRF coming after all the now dead blue canaries didn’t respond to the panic alarm challenge. You also needed a forklift. 18Z50 |
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Originally Posted By 18B30: The wire falls on top of the items. the talcum powder/DM agent generator clogs your masks, blinds you, and causes immediately incapacitating vomiting if you remove your mask. Halon systems in the later bunkers added another way to die. Then you had the hassle of the real QRF coming after all the now dead blue canaries didn't respond to the panic alarm challenge. You also needed a forklift. 18Z50 View Quote Did you guys ever train for any other kinds of special mission? One that seems to pop up often is using very small clean systems to drop large buildings. It would be interesting to hear if that was ever in the target folder |
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We used to store 155 mm nuclear cannon rounds in our storage igloos in Alaska. I wonder what happened to them ? I know 155 cannon rounds can be on the heavy side but not all the weight is made up of explosive compound. I assume the same with the nuclear rounds. There would be the heavy outside steel case but the contents and the nuclear components couldn't be near as heavy as the outside solid steel portion of the round.
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Originally Posted By high_order1: I'm glad to see you're still tagging along. Did you guys ever train for any other kinds of special mission? One that seems to pop up often is using very small clean systems to drop large buildings. It would be interesting to hear if that was ever in the target folder View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By high_order1: Originally Posted By 18B30: The wire falls on top of the items. the talcum powder/DM agent generator clogs your masks, blinds you, and causes immediately incapacitating vomiting if you remove your mask. Halon systems in the later bunkers added another way to die. Then you had the hassle of the real QRF coming after all the now dead blue canaries didn't respond to the panic alarm challenge. You also needed a forklift. 18Z50 Did you guys ever train for any other kinds of special mission? One that seems to pop up often is using very small clean systems to drop large buildings. It would be interesting to hear if that was ever in the target folder I was never a Green Light Cat. I worked with the 59th Ord tower rats prior to getting my Tab and learned about WADS from those poor bastards. 95B10 aka 18Z50 |
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Originally Posted By kwg020: We used to store 155 mm nuclear cannon rounds in our storage igloos in Alaska. I wonder what happened to them ? I know 155 cannon rounds can be on the heavy side but not all the weight is made up of explosive compound. I assume the same with the nuclear rounds. There would be the heavy outside steel case but the contents and the nuclear components couldn't be near as heavy as the outside solid steel portion of the round. kwg View Quote I can personally attest that the center body section of the 155mm nuclear projectile was warm to the touch. And it wasn't steel if I recall correctly. |
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Originally Posted By 18B30: The wire falls on top of the items. the talcum powder/DM agent generator clogs your masks, blinds you, and causes immediately incapacitating vomiting if you remove your mask. Halon systems in the later bunkers added another way to die. Then you had the hassle of the real QRF coming after all the now dead blue canaries didn’t respond to the panic alarm challenge. You also needed a forklift. 18Z50 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 18B30: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Brundoggie: My only work with MADM was the EOD procedures for disarming in various configurations. PACOM didn't have any allocated so I never worked on them. I know what that is in the ceiling of the magazine but never encountered it in any of the storage areas I worked in. My understanding is that some storage locations also employed sticky foam as a protective measure but again I never personally encountered it. So the C-wire falls from the ceiling if someone tries to take the silver box at the back of the bunker....Indianna Jones boulder-style? Or is it just to stop tunneling through the ceiling? The 10yo in me wants it to fall on thieves if they move the shiny box The wire falls on top of the items. the talcum powder/DM agent generator clogs your masks, blinds you, and causes immediately incapacitating vomiting if you remove your mask. Halon systems in the later bunkers added another way to die. Then you had the hassle of the real QRF coming after all the now dead blue canaries didn’t respond to the panic alarm challenge. You also needed a forklift. 18Z50 Sweet. Layer upon layer of go fuck yourselves. |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: Like what? About 99% of LITTLE BOY has made it into the open. About 90% of FAT MAN is out there. While there is a TON of history that's being lost, most of the technical data has seeped out. Some by people who worked with it, some coming back around from the people that stole it from the USG, and mostly from Energy and Defense themselves. A lot of HC Paxtons' work on criticality for non-defense purposes came from utilizing pit materials, Click To View Spoiler ... made them for people! Kept a couple for his self, and then brought it to some reunions, where Alex Wellerstein and John Coster-Mullen almost snapped their necks when they saw it. Behold: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17550/lucite-sphere-1_jpg-2860244.JPG anyway, LITTLE BOY got its pants pulled down pretty good by Energy thanks to Hazel O'Leary, and JCM with his toy borescope finished it off: View Quote Am I understanding this right? Is that a lucite paperweight containing trinninite, molded in the Fat Man pit mold? |
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3097/2883F0BF-CDE3-4394-B570-2F5083CAB5F6-2854429.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By doc_Zox: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3097/2883F0BF-CDE3-4394-B570-2F5083CAB5F6-2854429.jpg A new rabbit hole to pop down, but that guy's name sounds... familiar (in a good way) Off the cuff assessment of his system model is it isn't credible, though. Just pretty. Originally Posted By 18B30: I was never a Green Light Cat. I worked with the 59th Ord tower rats prior to getting my Tab and learned about WADS from those poor bastards. 95B10 aka 18Z50 Ah. I'm tracking now. Thank you Originally Posted By Brundoggie: I can personally attest that the center body section of the 155mm nuclear projectile was warm to the touch. And it wasn't steel if I recall correctly. If it is the one I am thinking of, speculation based on some documents say it was an alloy called 'magthor', if that sounds familiar. It apparently solved some problems regarding spin (I can never remember fugal or tripedal) forces, and it was favorable in neutronics, but the tradeoff was you had to put three feet between it and other rounds, and you needed to step back three feet when you weren't actively taking a positive action or monitoring the one that was. I may be off on that, though Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Sweet. Layer upon layer of go fuck yourselves. Dude, this was the 70's-80's. They weren't fucking around overseas. Not like how they are being forced to let turkey overrun parts of the bases; they were taking broomsticks and table legs to protestors back then. That one cat's book talking about his time overseas goes into all that in more detail. You weren't even getting to the area around the magazines without getting some hate laid on you. Just going into the mechanical or electrical bays for assembly could make for a bad day if you forgot the word of the day, or weren't on the ACL. Apparently rank didn't matter, either. One story that I bet gamma762 knows in detail is when the AEC (forerunner of the DOE) sent someone over to inspect the bases. He was a propeller head from Sandia, and... I'm mushing this story up. Forgive me. He saw a lone armed sentry off by himself on a hot flight line near a US nuc armed foreign aircraft. He got his escort to take him over there to see what it was about, and the kids' order was to shoot the pilot and then the nuc, in that order, if proper procedures weren't followed. This greatly upset the guy, and that is part of where the kennedy locks came from. Allegedly. Originally Posted By MHIDPA: Am I understanding this right? Is that a lucite paperweight containing trinninite, molded in the Fat Man pit mold? Are you a nark? Energy order O475.1 states clearly that NNSA counterintel people have to tell if I ask, and then I get to wear their badge for not less than 36 hours from the time I ask. (yes. that's exactly what it is.) I almost bought a Mark 3 lens mold, too, from a grandkid of the guy that was cranking them out. He took one home and was using it as a birdbath, no shit. |
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Found a new book.
It's easily digestible, and apparently represents what the USG feels is ok to share about nuclear weapons. I found it also has an interesting take on some of the weaponeering history. https://cgsr.llnl.gov/content/assets/docs/CGSR_NW101_Policy_Wonks_11-04-21_WEB_v5.pdf |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: Found a new book. It's easily digestible, and apparently represents what the USG feels is ok to share about nuclear weapons. I found it also has an interesting take on some of the weaponeering history. https://cgsr.llnl.gov/content/assets/docs/CGSR_NW101_Policy_Wonks_11-04-21_WEB_v5.pdf View Quote Tag for when I can get to my computer |
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"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the boogaloo, whose face is marred by pixels and ink and cheetos.”,
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Originally Posted By MedSquared: Originally Posted By PACU-Nurse: My recruiter back in the day said that his mos was atomic demolitions munitions specialist EOD No, EOD is Explosive Ordnance Disposal. EOD in that era was trained to disarm atomic demolitions. |
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Originally Posted By MedSquared: Originally Posted By PACU-Nurse: My recruiter back in the day said that his mos was atomic demolitions munitions specialist EOD 12E covered. |
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Originally Posted By HKG3S: Wrong 12E Fun acronyms and phrases from my time in Germany from the mid 80s Fog guard PRP 2 man rule 1 meter rule SMLM I did my time in 59 Ord Brigade aka the bald gynecologist View Quote There were several nuc (atomic! SPECIAL!) related Army MOS's: Attached File 12E, as mentioned, but also Attached File 35 Foxtrot and Attached File 55 Golf, most of their training manuals are in the open if one knew which library to go get them off the shelves... |
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Originally Posted By jhereg: lol I'd love to see someone F1 a nuke as a DD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By LineOfDeparture: grail form 1. lol I'd love to see someone F1 a nuke as a DD. You could form 1 initiating devices and explosives that would do the shape changing, but sufficient nuclear material for a weapon will require a license with compliance requirements that are quite extensive. |
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Originally Posted By HKG3S: Wrong…12E Fun acronyms and phrases from my time in Germany from the mid 80s Fog guard PRP 2 man rule 1 meter rule SMLM I did my time in 59 Ord Brigade aka the bald gynecologist View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HKG3S: Originally Posted By MedSquared: EOD Wrong…12E Fun acronyms and phrases from my time in Germany from the mid 80s Fog guard PRP 2 man rule 1 meter rule SMLM I did my time in 59 Ord Brigade aka the bald gynecologist You poor bastard…..I went to SFAS rather than be sent to 59th ORD. |
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Do you have anything related to the "starwars" years at Y12 and the national labs? |
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Originally Posted By lokt: You could form 1 initiating devices and explosives that would do the shape changing, but sufficient nuclear material for a weapon will require a license with compliance requirements that are quite extensive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lokt: You could form 1 initiating devices and explosives that would do the shape changing, but sufficient nuclear material for a weapon will require a license with compliance requirements that are quite extensive. I'm still down. What's Japan doing with all the 49 they have to be pulling from their reactors? I bet they'd write me a license. Originally Posted By iwouldntknow: 2a is my permit. This is the way Originally Posted By 18B30: You poor bastard ..I went to SFAS rather than be sent to 59th ORD. Originally Posted By Brundoggie: I left active duty rather than end up at Miesau. I'm confused. I have met elderly gentlemen, sad, hunched over in their wheelchair, piss tube darkly dripping into the bag strapped to their legs, literally light the fuck up when I mentioned 1980's military service in Germany. People even talked fondly of being jacked up by the local police, being frozen to death in some field, and causing international incidents. Tell us more. (It's the 4th, have a few on behalf of the ones that can't today, then come back and let it rip) THIS IS NOW (TEMPORARILY) A REFORGER THREAD!! |
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Originally Posted By Meche_03: OP Do you have anything related to the "starwars" years at Y12 and the national labs? View Quote In general though, I've never really delved into SDI. I know it exists, I believe they have stuff on station, today, from that period, but I have 0 clue what Oak Ridge Operations' role in any of it would be. You should ask in the MIRV thread, there are more rocket types in there. But, do go over and share what you know, there is some overlap, no one has really discussed countermeasures yet, and that might be a fun hole to rabbit |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: I'm not that dude, but I'll be presumptuous. Y12 has done a lot of wfo. they machined the Seawolf propellers, and helped with hull formulations. ORNL did a lot of LASER and related work. In general though, I've never really delved into SDI. I know it exists, I believe they have stuff on station, today, from that period, but I have 0 clue what Oak Ridge Operations' role in any of it would be. You should ask in the MIRV thread, there are more rocket types in there. But, do go over and share what you know, there is some overlap, no one has really discussed countermeasures yet, and that might be a fun hole to rabbit View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By high_order1: Originally Posted By Meche_03: OP Do you have anything related to the "starwars" years at Y12 and the national labs? In general though, I've never really delved into SDI. I know it exists, I believe they have stuff on station, today, from that period, but I have 0 clue what Oak Ridge Operations' role in any of it would be. You should ask in the MIRV thread, there are more rocket types in there. But, do go over and share what you know, there is some overlap, no one has really discussed countermeasures yet, and that might be a fun hole to rabbit @Meche_03 in case you’re not in the MIRV thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/MIRV-reentry-question/5-2654677/&page=6&anc=104796698#i104796698 |
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My understanding is that Coster-Mullen passed away.
Is there any plans for his estate to keep publishing? |
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1: My understanding is that Coster-Mullen passed away. Is there any plans for his estate to keep publishing? View Quote I am not sure if Hansen's wife is continuing to I went and checked. The box.net account is still active, so I suppose the material is still there. |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: That's exactly what it does. Plus cold smoke and a couple of other things I can't recall right now. The people that maintained it scared the shit out of the rest of them, saying the ejectors put out something that removed all the air from the room. All that is a delay to give a bunch of angry young Americans time to get in there and put the hurt on them. I've lurked a lot of vet sites for years, never heard about a single accidental trip. I'd hate to have had to clean that fucking mess up lol Other security features they apparently used over the years included some high tech shit, like putting an enormous, massive block in front of the door. Only one machine could lift it, and they kept it far away and disabled. You could use jacks, but you'd be there for a long time. That's just to get to the locked front door of the mag. (vets, care to comment?) The current hotness overseas is called a WS3. While there's a bunch about it online, I don't feel good about saying anything past it probably is adequate as long as the base hasn't been evacuated. Guess that's kind of hypocritical of me, but... sorry View Quote So were these bunkers where the weapons were stored in Europe, or are they the actual detonation point? |
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Originally Posted By Teller_Ulam: So were these bunkers where the weapons were stored in Europe, or are they the actual detonation point? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Teller_Ulam: Originally Posted By high_order1: That's exactly what it does. Plus cold smoke and a couple of other things I can't recall right now. The people that maintained it scared the shit out of the rest of them, saying the ejectors put out something that removed all the air from the room. All that is a delay to give a bunch of angry young Americans time to get in there and put the hurt on them. I've lurked a lot of vet sites for years, never heard about a single accidental trip. I'd hate to have had to clean that fucking mess up lol Other security features they apparently used over the years included some high tech shit, like putting an enormous, massive block in front of the door. Only one machine could lift it, and they kept it far away and disabled. You could use jacks, but you'd be there for a long time. That's just to get to the locked front door of the mag. (vets, care to comment?) The current hotness overseas is called a WS3. While there's a bunch about it online, I don't feel good about saying anything past it probably is adequate as long as the base hasn't been evacuated. Guess that's kind of hypocritical of me, but... sorry So were these bunkers where the weapons were stored in Europe, or are they the actual detonation point? He's talking about the storage magazines. |
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Originally Posted By Brundoggie: He's talking about the storage magazines. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Brundoggie: Originally Posted By Teller_Ulam: Originally Posted By high_order1: That's exactly what it does. Plus cold smoke and a couple of other things I can't recall right now. The people that maintained it scared the shit out of the rest of them, saying the ejectors put out something that removed all the air from the room. All that is a delay to give a bunch of angry young Americans time to get in there and put the hurt on them. I've lurked a lot of vet sites for years, never heard about a single accidental trip. I'd hate to have had to clean that fucking mess up lol Other security features they apparently used over the years included some high tech shit, like putting an enormous, massive block in front of the door. Only one machine could lift it, and they kept it far away and disabled. You could use jacks, but you'd be there for a long time. That's just to get to the locked front door of the mag. (vets, care to comment?) The current hotness overseas is called a WS3. While there's a bunch about it online, I don't feel good about saying anything past it probably is adequate as long as the base hasn't been evacuated. Guess that's kind of hypocritical of me, but... sorry So were these bunkers where the weapons were stored in Europe, or are they the actual detonation point? He's talking about the storage magazines. Copy. Maybe I missed it, but were there prestaged detonation points already set up in Europe? |
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This was a good video I've put off watching, but I am taking 3-4 days as off as I can be presently lol
COLORES | Trinity: Getting The Job Done | New Mexico PBS |
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Originally Posted By phurba: They have a mock up at the National Atomic Testing Mueseum in Las Vegas. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204273/IMG_6282-2893585.jpg View Quote COOL! I haven't seen that one. That's a terrible repro of the bag, though. Gotta go look for more pics of it now! |
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Originally Posted By high_order1: COOL! I haven't seen that one. That's a terrible repro of the bag, though. Gotta go look for more pics of it now! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By high_order1: Originally Posted By phurba: They have a mock up at the National Atomic Testing Mueseum in Las Vegas. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204273/IMG_6282-2893585.jpg COOL! I haven't seen that one. That's a terrible repro of the bag, though. Gotta go look for more pics of it now! Looks like they left out the foam padding. |
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Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events.
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Originally Posted By high_order1: (Also, I know there are several on here that know more than I do. Encourage them to contact me and explain how the SADM neutron generator worked. That, how many points the system was detonated at, and the construction of the shaped hemishell are the only pieces I don't understand.) Edit for clarity View Quote I started on the Nuclear Weapons Program in 1958. I was certified on the B54 in 1967. At that time the mention of an ADM was Top Secret. Imagine my surprise to see all the info in this post. I believe the information you are asking for would come under CNWDI and I sure won't be the one to give it up. Probably available on the web but I don't know. Our group, Navy Nuclear Weapons Association, is having our reunion in Branson, MO in Sept. https://www.navynucweps.com/index.html Attached File |
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Part of me is there and part of there is me
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This thread is fascinating!
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Awesome thread with a lot of awesome posters. It is amazing what was out there and how much went into keeping it secret and unnoticed. Sure a big bad Army post was intimidating but understand all these hidden things were out and about is even scarier. All of you 12 series had one hell of a job and we are all indebted to your service.
I thought I was cool, a 19E. We had a big bad tank but damn, y'all were walking around with a nuke on your back. Makes our whole battalion look like a bunch of pu55ie5. |
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If you think I am sexy now just wait until you find out I have full medical and dental.
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Originally Posted By Neopo8: I started on the Nuclear Weapons Program in 1958. I was certified on the B54 in 1967. At that time the mention of an ADM was Top Secret. Imagine my surprise to see all the info in this post. I believe the information you are asking for would come under CNWDI and I sure won't be the one to give it up. Probably available on the web but I don't know. Our group, Navy Nuclear Weapons Association, is having our reunion in Branson, MO in Sept. https://www.navynucweps.com/index.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/252223/NWMaint_jpg-3257324.JPG View Quote Just curious what you were looking for to find a year old thread? |
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I dont think this is a brains type of operation.
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