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AR15.COM
10/18/2016 4:57:10 PM EDT
https://trapshirts.com/collections/ar15-bolt-face
10/18/2016 4:58:44 PM EDT
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10/18/2016 5:42:06 PM EDT
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10/18/2016 5:43:17 PM EDT
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Nope
10/18/2016 5:44:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Not close enough IMHO
10/18/2016 5:53:47 PM EDT
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Not.

10/18/2016 5:55:30 PM EDT
[#6]
I'm pretty sure they've been brought up before.
10/18/2016 5:57:26 PM EDT
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Contact JLA, that is an infringement.
10/18/2016 5:59:03 PM EDT
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556


if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.
10/18/2016 5:59:43 PM EDT
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How so?



It's basically an outline of an actual bolt face
10/18/2016 6:00:33 PM EDT
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It's basically an outline of an actual bolt face
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Contact JLA, that is an infringement.
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It's basically an outline of an actual bolt face




Why does this continue to be brought up every single time
10/18/2016 6:00:40 PM EDT
[#11]
Looks close enough to me, but what do I know.
10/18/2016 6:01:01 PM EDT
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Both examples you've posted are pretty clear examples of infringement. Contrary to popular GD belief, the design doesn't need to be exact to constitute infringement, merely similar enough to cause confusion. Those examples are clearly that.
10/18/2016 6:07:01 PM EDT
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I've forwarded a link to JLA, thanks for looking out for the site.





To the doubters, that is a clear violation, and the site must protect their trademark.
10/18/2016 6:08:05 PM EDT
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I've forwarded a link to JLA, thanks for looking out for the site.





To the doubters, that is a clear violation, and the site must protect their trademark.
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Can you explain?
10/18/2016 6:10:12 PM EDT
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I absolutely love when these threads pop up because the same lines are argued.

It doesn't matter what you think, it IS close enough.  Geez Louise
10/18/2016 6:36:55 PM EDT
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I've forwarded a link to JLA, thanks for looking out for the site.


To the doubters, that is a clear violation, and the site must protect their trademark.
Can you explain?

thanks va
Trademark infringement is the unauthorized use of a trademark or service mark (or a substantially similar mark) on competing or related goods and services. The success of a lawsuit to stop the infringement turns on whether the defendant's use causes a likelihood of confusion in the average consumer.
10/18/2016 6:48:59 PM EDT
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Trademark infringement is the unauthorized use of a trademark or service mark (or a substantially similar mark) on competing or related goods and services. The success of a lawsuit to stop the infringement turns on whether the defendant's use causes a likelihood of confusion in the average consumer.
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To the doubters, that is a clear violation, and the site must protect their trademark.
Can you explain?


thanks va

Trademark infringement is the unauthorized use of a trademark or service mark (or a substantially similar mark) on competing or related goods and services. The success of a lawsuit to stop the infringement turns on whether the defendant's use causes a likelihood of confusion in the average consumer.


Basically this.



If you were to see that image on the street, would you wonder if that is an ARF member wearing one of our shirts?



If people could confuse that as being one of our shirts, then it's too close and the the site has to react.



 
10/18/2016 9:11:24 PM EDT
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The way I look at it is if it is immediately recognizable as a bolt face logo, it's pretty damn clear.
10/18/2016 9:49:10 PM EDT
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In before the FBOT tier meltdown over what constitutes trademark infringement.
10/18/2016 9:55:56 PM EDT
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In before a 13er does not understand
10/18/2016 9:58:51 PM EDT
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It seems like a fuck of a lot more than just 13ers get butthurt over these threads.
10/18/2016 10:02:19 PM EDT
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.
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I'm pretty sure they've been brought up before.

damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.


Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.

I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.

Highly interested.

10/18/2016 10:03:22 PM EDT
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O.M.G.



Did you call 911 OP?
10/18/2016 10:08:06 PM EDT
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Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.

I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.

Highly interested.

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I'm pretty sure they've been brought up before.

damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.


Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.

I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.

Highly interested.



Tentacle bukake is best bukake
10/18/2016 11:17:08 PM EDT
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.


Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.

I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.

Highly interested.



Tentacle bukake is best bukake


You may contact me via IM to purchase videos, I will hopefully sign him tonight.
10/18/2016 11:28:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.



I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.



Highly interested.



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I'm pretty sure they've been brought up before.


damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor

here's another

https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556

https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp



if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.




Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.



I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.



Highly interested.



Thread derailed in 3...2...1
10/19/2016 12:09:22 AM EDT
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You may contact me via IM to purchase videos, I will hopefully sign him tonight.
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.


Yeah, uh... So I talked with site staff and they said no go with your links... So let's talk about these photos and videos you are willing to do.

I mean, I have people that are into certain things, like bukkake for example.... So shoot me an IM and let me know how much a bronze, silver, and gold membership buys me in video time.

Highly interested.



Tentacle bukake is best bukake


You may contact me via IM to purchase videos, I will hopefully sign him tonight.

Well i'll gibe site staff a little time, i suppose i should have added the caveat that things i would photograph or video tape would have to be within the confines of the ar15.com coc and i will not do anything that would cause me serious bodily harm. I'm sure you could come up with something creative within those confines.
10/19/2016 12:23:28 AM EDT
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Trademark law is pretty simple actually. If a consumer could possibly be confused by the logo it's a violation. A trademark must be actively defended less the image become public. You can't simply change a trademarked image slightly and claim it. Trademark law protects a business' commercial identity or brand by discouraging other businesses from adopting a name or logo that is "confusingly similar" to an existing trademark.

The lawyers at work do a couple dozen cases at work as people try to steal or use some of the government's trademarked logos and TV or radio station callsigns. 90% of them run screaming away from the violation when the get the lawyer cease and desist letter. All of the rest when they're served with court papers with the government's intent to sue them for damages and a court injunction. Nobody has actually taken them to court yet.
10/19/2016 1:03:42 PM EDT
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.
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Thanks; you've been bronzed!
10/19/2016 1:08:56 PM EDT
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.



Thanks; you've been bronzed!

wahoo! no tentacle bukake for me!
at least till next year
10/19/2016 1:28:46 PM EDT
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I sent that one a few weeks ago and didn't get any upgrade LOL


http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1912878_Site_Copyright_Infringement__BFL_.html
10/19/2016 1:52:33 PM EDT
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What about this one?

10/19/2016 2:02:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Off topic some, but seems the logo's of Mega Arms and Omni are pretty similar.  Yes their respective names are on each, but 2 companies making the same product and using the same (background) logo doesn't seem to happen often.



10/19/2016 2:03:37 PM EDT
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Off topic some, but seems the logo's of Mega Arms and Omni are pretty similar.  Yes their respective names are on each, but 2 companies making the same product and using the same logo doesn't seem to happen often.



http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/georgeallen1981/Mega_zpsjqqnw8on.jpg



http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/georgeallen1981/Omni_zps7sybfp74.jpg
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Not even close.

 
10/19/2016 2:04:30 PM EDT
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Those guys will get a cease and desist letter if you can link their website. You need to link their site and not just post a photo.


 



Here's a link to their webpage for you. Email JLA this. http://adams-armory.com/
10/19/2016 2:05:25 PM EDT
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I sent that one a few weeks ago and didn't get any upgrade LOL





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Most of them have already been reported. I reported probably 20 of them before I found one that wasn't reported yet

 
10/19/2016 2:06:46 PM EDT
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He already addressed this design.
10/19/2016 2:13:33 PM EDT
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Dear AfrCom armchair trademark lawyers.  Here is the tests...

The scope of a trademark is determined by whether there is "likelihood of confusion" (note that this is different from whether there has been any actual confusion), between that trademark and another trademark in the minds of the consuming public. Likelihood of confusion is generally determined by reviewing a set list of factors which, depending on the judicial circuit, range from 7 to 13 in number. In the Federal Circuit, for example, these are called the DuPont factors:

We determine likelihood of confusion by focusing on the question whether the purchasing public would mistakenly assume that the applicant's goods originate from the same source as, or are associated with, the goods in the cited registrations. [citation]. We make that determination on a case-by-case basis, [citation], aided by the application of the factors set out in In re E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co., 476 F.2d 1357, 177 USPQ 563 (CCPA 1973). Those factors are:

   1.         The similarity or dissimilarity of the marks in their entireties as to appearance, sound, connotation, and commercial impression.

   2.         The similarity or dissimilarity and nature of the goods . . . described in an application or registration or in connection with which a prior mark is in use.

   3.         The similarity or dissimilarity of established, likely-to-continue trade channels.

   4.         The conditions under which and buyers to whom sales are made, i.e. "impulse" vs. careful, sophisticated purchasing.

   5.         The fame of the prior mark.

   6.         The number and nature of similar marks in use on similar goods.  

   7.         The nature and extent of any actual confusion.

   8.         The length of time during and the conditions under which there has been concurrent use without evidence of actual confusion.

   9.         The variety of goods on which a mark is or is not used.

   10.        The market interface between the applicant and the owner of a prior mark.

   11.        The extent to which applicant has a right to exclude others from use of its mark on its goods.

   12.        The extent of potential confusion.

   13.        Any other established fact probative of the effect of use.

Id. at 1361, 177 USPQ at 567. Not all of the DuPont factors may be relevant or of equal weight in a given case, and "any one of the factors may control a particular case," In re Dixie Rests., Inc., 105 F.3d 1405, 1406-07, 41 USPQ2d 1531, 1533 (Fed. Cir. 1997).
10/19/2016 4:11:27 PM EDT
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wahoo! no tentacle bukake for me!
at least till next year
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damn, i miss my green arrows and i'm poor
here's another
https://shop.spreadshirt.com/dr8c0/ar15+bolt-A13910556
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/products/108666631/views/1,width=500,height=500,appearanceId=366,version=1465297176/ar15-bolt-men-s-premium-t-shirt.webp

if neither of those work i am willing to do stupid shit and take photos or video for a membership.



Thanks; you've been bronzed!

wahoo! no tentacle bukake for me!
at least till next year


Damn you JLA...

That was my ticket to retirement.

I am going to film my tentacle bukake video and plant a BFL logo on the DVD cover.
10/19/2016 4:19:12 PM EDT
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 no shit, its like they just found Capon's grave or the Holy Grail
10/19/2016 5:06:53 PM EDT
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Thank you; membership extended!
10/19/2016 5:26:30 PM EDT
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That first one, to me, wouldn't be confused.  To me, it is a graphical depiction of the AR bolt face as it is in real life due to the extractor being depicted as a separate piece.  

That second one is an obvious ripoff and clearly a violation.  Good find on that one.


And since I am not a trademark or copyright attorney, my opinion doesn't count for shit.  LOL

My question is this.  Say you 3D printed out a stamp of the bolt face (6-8" to scale) with all parts in place to the point where all individual pieces left an imprint when stamped (with firing pin sticking out).  You're not copying AR15.com's design, you're copying the original design of the weapon system.  Far fetched, but that's where my confusion is.
10/19/2016 5:32:49 PM EDT
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Dear AfrCom armchair trademark lawyers.  Here is the tests...

The scope of a trademark is determined by whether there is "likelihood of confusion" (note that this is different from whether there has been any actual confusion), between that trademark and another trademark in the minds of the consuming public. Likelihood of confusion is generally determined by reviewing a set list of factors which, depending on the judicial circuit, range from 7 to 13 in number. In the Federal Circuit, for example, these are called the DuPont factors:

We determine likelihood of confusion by focusing on the question whether the purchasing public would mistakenly assume that the applicant's goods originate from the same source as, or are associated with, the goods in the cited registrations. [citation]. We make that determination on a case-by-case basis, [citation], aided by the application of the factors set out in In re E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co., 476 F.2d 1357, 177 USPQ 563 (CCPA 1973). Those factors are:

   1.         The similarity or dissimilarity of the marks in their entireties as to appearance, sound, connotation, and commercial impression.

   2.         The similarity or dissimilarity and nature of the goods . . . described in an application or registration or in connection with which a prior mark is in use.

   3.         The similarity or dissimilarity of established, likely-to-continue trade channels.

   4.         The conditions under which and buyers to whom sales are made, i.e. "impulse" vs. careful, sophisticated purchasing.

   5.         The fame of the prior mark.

   6.         The number and nature of similar marks in use on similar goods.  

   7.         The nature and extent of any actual confusion.

   8.         The length of time during and the conditions under which there has been concurrent use without evidence of actual confusion.

   9.         The variety of goods on which a mark is or is not used.

   10.        The market interface between the applicant and the owner of a prior mark.

   11.        The extent to which applicant has a right to exclude others from use of its mark on its goods.

   12.        The extent of potential confusion.

   13.        Any other established fact probative of the effect of use.

Id. at 1361, 177 USPQ at 567. Not all of the DuPont factors may be relevant or of equal weight in a given case, and "any one of the factors may control a particular case," In re Dixie Rests., Inc., 105 F.3d 1405, 1406-07, 41 USPQ2d 1531, 1533 (Fed. Cir. 1997).
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Right click, saved.  Will give you credit for posting this in future Infringement threads as it always comes up, "nope, not even  close".  
10/19/2016 6:11:16 PM EDT
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That first one, to me, wouldn't be confused.  To me, it is a graphical depiction of the AR bolt face as it is in real life due to the extractor being depicted as a separate piece.  



That second one is an obvious ripoff and clearly a violation.  Good find on that one.





And since I am not a trademark or copyright attorney, my opinion doesn't count for shit.  LOL



My question is this.  Say you 3D printed out a stamp of the bolt face (6-8" to scale) with all parts in place to the point where all individual pieces left an imprint when stamped (with firing pin sticking out).  You're not copying AR15.com's design, you're copying the original design of the weapon system.  Far fetched, but that's where my confusion is.
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It's not the image that is trademarked, but the logo. When using it as a logo, which most of these threads are about, then it's a problem.