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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll have to drag the wife up there to check it out. She asked me recently where I wanted to end up. I said wherever we can find a house and I can find work.  https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/703-4th-Ave-Edgemont-SD-57735/242584229_zpid/ 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s already ruined. I’m looking at leaving for Wyoming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they ruin Montana, that will be quite an accomplishment. It’s already ruined. I’m looking at leaving for Wyoming. Its getting pretty damn bad. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:21:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. I’ll have to keep that in mind. If I can find work out there once I graduate, that would be a win in my book. Always liked Cody and the surrounding towns. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:23:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tourists are responsible for the problem? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll have to keep that in mind. If I can find work out there once I graduate, that would be a win in my book. Shay’s liked Cody and the surrounding towns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. I’ll have to keep that in mind. If I can find work out there once I graduate, that would be a win in my book. Shay’s liked Cody and the surrounding towns. Ooh, finding work is the hard part. That's why a lot of the residents in Bozeman are priced out--the only jobs available are tourism and service. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:25:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: big money moving in buy it cheap then a few years later wonder why the town has no employees or bus open anymore.Seen it in other towns where money comes in buys or starts a business charges the prices they did in CA but pay the local wages then again wonder why employees are gone It’s happening everywhere. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This house was just listed for $810k. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/2a229fadb01aaad3df55df3b825f4937-cc_ft_768.webp LOL! The coming crash is going to be biblical. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. You DO know that a lot of Californians are very conservative and hate what's happened to their state, right? Do you want to punish them because they got outvoted? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:26:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a nice looking $100k home Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interested. What's the address? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/617-N-Willson-Ave-Bozeman-MT-59715/74929238_zpid/ That's a nice looking $100k home Somewhere in its price history it will say $12,000. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooh, finding work is the hard part. That's why a lot of the residents in Bozeman are priced out--the only jobs available are tourism and service. Well I could always attempt to find remote too. Mechanical engineering is always gonna be marketable. And if that don’t work I’ll learn a trade or something. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote History$873/sqft What type of retard pays that much for a cracker box built in the 30’s? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:30:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I could always attempt to find remote too. Mechanical engineering is always gonna be marketable. And if that don't work I'll learn a trade or something. https://www.newyorker.com/news/dept-of-energy/the-great-electrician-shortage |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $873/sqft What type of retard pays that much for a cracker box built in the 30's? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:31:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm confused. Are these people that DID have homes in Bozeman, but then rent went up and they couldn't afford them? Or are these homeless people that were going to be homeless anywhere, but Bozeman is a nice place for your cousin with the truck to drop your shitbox trailer off at? Also, why is it ALWAYS a Nissan Versa? Californian buys the house Nextdoor for four times what it sold for ten years ago. Repeat the process five or six times on your street and now what was $100k house is a $400k dollar house. Somebody born and raised in that community making a salary appropriate to area now cannot afford to purchase or rent a home there. Somebody who already owned a home there can’t keep up with rising property tax values and is forced to sell. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:32:48 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen Missoula? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:33:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of Montana just doesn't have the infrastructure for this many people, most of the big towns don't have by-passes to move traffic around them. Secondly everyone who thinks they are going to move here and "buy a few acres, just out of town". No, no you're not, that train left the station 20 years ago. Same with everyone who thinks they are going to live down a gravel road 20 miles out of town and just go in for supplies once a month. All those gravel roads are full of people with their Toyotas and Subarus who drive to town everyday for Starbucks, and blow all the roads out. Bozeman is going to be at 100% production and construction capacity for the next 6 years trying to keep up with projected growth, and all the rest of the surrounding communities, don't really have solid plans on how to deal with all the people. The biggest barrier to more people trying to move here, is that the current infrastructure won't allow it and the cost is only going to make it worse. You’ve forgotten horses in your calculus. Everyone coming out of CA has promised their daughter a horse on their huge 2 acre ranchette. Horse prices in the rest of the west are stupid as a result. $60k for a busted down “ranch” horse. LOL. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:34:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooh, finding work is the hard part. That's why a lot of the residents in Bozeman are priced out--the only jobs available are tourism and service. and i refuse to do it, because fuck bozeman.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:34:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bozeman is far worse than Missoula now. Aside from the street layout, I 100% believe it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve forgotten horses in your calculus. Everyone coming out of CA has promised their daughter a horse on their huge 2 acre ranchette. Horse prices in the rest of the west are stupid as a result. $60k for a busted down “ranch” horse. LOL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most of Montana just doesn't have the infrastructure for this many people, most of the big towns don't have by-passes to move traffic around them. Secondly everyone who thinks they are going to move here and "buy a few acres, just out of town". No, no you're not, that train left the station 20 years ago. Same with everyone who thinks they are going to live down a gravel road 20 miles out of town and just go in for supplies once a month. All those gravel roads are full of people with their Toyotas and Subarus who drive to town everyday for Starbucks, and blow all the roads out. Bozeman is going to be at 100% production and construction capacity for the next 6 years trying to keep up with projected growth, and all the rest of the surrounding communities, don't really have solid plans on how to deal with all the people. The biggest barrier to more people trying to move here, is that the current infrastructure won't allow it and the cost is only going to make it worse. You’ve forgotten horses in your calculus. Everyone coming out of CA has promised their daughter a horse on their huge 2 acre ranchette. Horse prices in the rest of the west are stupid as a result. $60k for a busted down “ranch” horse. LOL. And yet everyone out here still has horses. I don't know how they afford it. Not rich Californians, either. Talking locals who work regular jobs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:34:58 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You've forgotten horses in your calculus. Everyone coming out of CA has promised their daughter a horse on their huge 2 acre ranchette. Horse prices in the rest of the west are stupid as a result. $60k for a busted down "ranch" horse. LOL. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:35:41 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: northwestern energy is screaming for people in BZN. and i refuse to do it, because fuck bozeman.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:36:22 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You DO know that a lot of Californians are very conservative and hate what's happened to their state, right? Do you want to punish them because they got outvoted? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. You DO know that a lot of Californians are very conservative and hate what's happened to their state, right? Do you want to punish them because they got outvoted? Doesn’t seem to have been the case in Arizona or Colorado. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:36:33 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bozeman is far worse than Missoula now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you seen Missoula? I dropped my daughter off at the Bozeman airport not that long ago. It was the first time I'd spent more than a few minutes in the town in 2 years and I was amazed how much had changed in just that short of a period of time. That city is crazy. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:37:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t seem to have been the case in Arizona or Colorado. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. You DO know that a lot of Californians are very conservative and hate what's happened to their state, right? Do you want to punish them because they got outvoted? Doesn’t seem to have been the case in Arizona or Colorado. Which part? Them being outvoted or them moving? Because I can see people in CO and AZ not moving because they still hold out hope things will change. CA is beyond hope. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:37:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: send Rip? Someone needs to go to the gravel pit |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:39:12 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which part? Them being outvoted or them moving? Because I can see people in CO and AZ not moving because they still hold out hope things will change. CA is beyond hope. AZ is going further and further blue. It’s bad down here. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:41:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote Historyused to do hard time with his brother in missoula. goes like this: construction manager: so, we still need some help in bozeman.  JLP3: i know, sizzlechest. and i still ain't coming to BZN. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:42:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone needs to go to the gravel pit 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:42:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooh, finding work is the hard part. That's why a lot of the residents in Bozeman are priced out--the only jobs available are tourism and service. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. I’ll have to keep that in mind. If I can find work out there once I graduate, that would be a win in my book. Shay’s liked Cody and the surrounding towns. Ooh, finding work is the hard part. That's why a lot of the residents in Bozeman are priced out--the only jobs available are tourism and service. Totally, the 16k student university has no economic impact on jobs. 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:43:19 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i know northwestern's construction manager in BZN. used to do hard time with his brother in missoula. goes like this: construction manager: so, we still need some help in bozeman. JLP3: i know, sizzlechest. and i still ain't coming to BZN. Surprised you didn’t tell him to buy you a few more harbor freight tarps and you would consider it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:44:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The general Rule of Thumb when moving out West is if a town is next to or near a national park, a ski resort or recreation area, or has a university then the Californians have already ruined it and you can't afford to live there. You look for an old mill town that has fallen on hard times, or someplace where agriculture or timber are the main industries. Yeah, you'll have to sometimes put up with methheads or illegals but at least it will keep the rich liberals at bay. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I won't even mention the names of the towns I'm considering moving to anymore, for sake of ruining another cool place. I remember Bozeman in the 90s. It's unrecognizable when I drive through it anymore. You look for an old mill town that has fallen on hard times, or someplace where agriculture or timber are the main industries. Yeah, you'll have to sometimes put up with methheads or illegals but at least it will keep the rich liberals at bay. The biggest factor I see is being within about 2 hrs of an airport with commercial flights. Wealthy folks don’t want to deal with a vacation house they can’t get to easily, or live in an area where it’s overly difficult to jet to NY or LA. All the areas I’m comsidering are a major PITA to get to. I’m praying it stays that way for next 10 years.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:44:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surprised you didn't tell him to buy you a few more harbor freight tarps and you would consider it. best i can do is an airstream in the pahkin' lot at work.  |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:45:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: nailed it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's 1/3 off the median. So, there's still deals to be found You’d jump on it in a Nu Yawk minute if it came with a dishwasher (Steph Chung or LBP), wouldn’t you? Don’t bullshit me, Hoss!  |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:47:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: best i can do is an airstream in the pahkin' lot at work. https://images.plex.tv/photo?size=large-1920&scale=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.tmdb.org%2Ft%2Fp%2Foriginal%2FmT1nNikSCwz250HvW8QlOnMjthy.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Surprised you didn't tell him to buy you a few more harbor freight tarps and you would consider it. best i can do is an airstream in the pahkin' lot at work. https://images.plex.tv/photo?size=large-1920&scale=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.tmdb.org%2Ft%2Fp%2Foriginal%2FmT1nNikSCwz250HvW8QlOnMjthy.jpg Some days that sounds like paradise.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:49:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd jump on it in a Nu Yawk minute if it came with a dishwasher (Steph Chung or LBP), wouldn't you? Don't bullshit me, Hoss! i doubt i'd qualify for that much mortgage. can steph chung and/or LBP shovel snow and butcher an elk? well that and my dream has always been to purchase a 4/3 house in a college town, live in the unfurnished basement, and rent the bedrooms out to bicurious college cheerleaders and/or college gymnast chicks and/or college rower chicks to cover the rent. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:51:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some days that sounds like paradise. he has a KLR on the back of the short bus to we talk KLRs. happiest sumbitch i've met in a long time. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:52:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest factor I see is being within about 2 hrs of an airport with commercial flights. Wealthy folks don't want to deal with a vacation house they can't get to easily, or live in an area where it's overly difficult to jet to NY or LA. All the areas I'm comsidering are a major PITA to get to. I'm praying it stays that way for next 10 years. problem solved, problem staying solved. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:54:24 PM EDT
[#38]
The wind comes down out of the mountains September and blows them all right back where they came from/
... or it blows their frozen corpses to a low spot in November. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:56:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some days that sounds like paradise. Some days? Man I’d love to take an airstream and go Galt on the world. Fuck this shitshow. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:59:42 PM EDT
[#40]
My dad grew up in and around Bozeman. Used to be a place for anyone. Now it's only afforable for rich socialites.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:01:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The wind comes down out of the mountains September and blows them all right back where they came from/ ... or it blows their frozen corpses to a low spot in November. “Priced-out locals” typically means they came from right where they are. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:02:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: just pick somewhere shitty like eastern WY or eastern south dakota or nebraska or kansas or missouri. problem solved, problem staying solved. Eastern WY might be it. As long as I qualify for resident WY hunting licenses, I’ll be happy. Buffalo or Sheridan seem nice. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:04:46 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eastern WY might be it. As long as I qualify for resident WY hunting licenses, I'll be happy. Buffalo or Sheridan seem nice. too close to the mountains to be cheap. not shitty enough to be cheap. i'm thinking like pine bluffs, gillette, or torrington.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:05:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some days? Man I'd love to take an airstream and go Galt on the world. Fuck this shitshow. 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:09:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? Californians selling their 3/2 ranch for $2,000,000 and moving to Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee or any other red or formally red state and pricing locals out of the market either via sale prices or raising tax values. Locusts who should be made to stay in the rotten bed they shit. You won’t find many people who despise Californians more than me, but…the ones who move (in droves) to horse country here in my area are, for the most part, conservatives and ashamed of their former state’s politics. I always tell them (my new clients) “You don’t have to tell me where you came from. When you look at the ground when I ask, it answers my question. Just remember what made your state so ‘great’ and don’t vote to ruin mine”. To my knowledge, I haven’t lost a client yet by saying that. Most of them really do want to fit in. But I don’t think that’s the norm in CO, MT, ID, AZ, etc. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:10:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i lived in sheridan for a while. too close to the mountains to be cheap. not shitty enough to be cheap. i'm thinking like pine bluffs, gillette, or torrington. Sad but true. Like I said, WY residency and not next to a sprawling suburban liberal shithole I’ll be pretty happy. The wind and cold and nothing will make me happy knowing who it keeps away. 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:12:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He's wrong anyway. I live in NW Wyoming and the prices are nowhere near that high, nor is it overcrowded. So my dream of maybe moving to Cody or somewhere in that area isn’t dead? I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. Build your own in the west is north of $$$350ft2. Further from “town” is pushing 400-450. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:13:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad but true. Like I said, WY residency and not next to a sprawling suburban liberal shithole I'll be pretty happy. The wind and cold and nothing will make me happy knowing who it keeps away. basically nebraska but no state income tax since it's still in WY. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:14:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve forgotten horses in your calculus. Everyone coming out of CA has promised their daughter a horse on their huge 2 acre ranchette. Horse prices in the rest of the west are stupid as a result. $60k for a busted down “ranch” horse. LOL. 2 year old rope prospects are starting at about $50K here. Cutters at $100K. Could probably buy a house in downtown Bozeman for what a busted down ranch horse would bring. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:19:17 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Build your own in the west is north of $$$350ft2. Further from “town” is pushing 400-450. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He's wrong anyway. I live in NW Wyoming and the prices are nowhere near that high, nor is it overcrowded. So my dream of maybe moving to Cody or somewhere in that area isn’t dead? I live half an hour from Cody. There's plenty of places available out here, though they are going to run you $500-700K if you want a nice house with some acreage around it. You can get land a lot cheaper than that, of course, and build your own. Build your own in the west is north of $$$350ft2. Further from “town” is pushing 400-450. I don't know. Our neighbors managed it within the last two years. |
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