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10/11/2005 8:55:53 AM EDT
I'm just curious to know what level of EMS your FD provides. My dept. SOG requires that we must have at leat 2 medics on every apparatus including ladders at all times. We sent 10 of our people to help with the Katrina relief and they came back talking about how different and interesting other dept. do EMS and even fireground procedures.

Also how big is your dept? We have 9 Eng, 2 Ladders, 1 LT, 2 BC, 1 TRT, 1 HAZMAT, and 1 Brush and we are part of PHX alarm who dispatches like 20 or 25 different FD's.

One last ?, How are your schedules? We do what we call a 3-4. Basically we work 3 24 hour shifts with a day off inbetween then we get 4 days off.

Thanks for any info      
10/11/2005 3:53:25 PM EDT
[#1]
ISO Class 2 department.    

7 Stations, including an Index A airport which houses a small CFR truck and a backup support truck that carries Purple K and a few other things.  6 pumpers respond out of the other stations with 4 men crews on each.  2 Ladders (when staffing allows), 4 reserve pumpers, a multipurpose truck for mobile cascade system, and 2 tankers (which are only driven when one member drops off the engine to respond it). Each shift has 1 BC, that is incharge of that shift.  Their are other BCs assigned to other tasks such as training and administrative duties.  There is rumor of developing district chiefs (being on shift instead of the BC)...leaving BC as more of an administrative role.

95% of all suppresion personnel are EMT-B.  As a department we are a EMT-B provider, however a few are Intermediates or Paramedics...but they can only perform Basic skills.  
Our schedule is 24 on 48 off starting at 8am.
10/11/2005 4:38:51 PM EDT
[#2]
EMS here is ALS, surrounding counties run ALS and BLS tiered systems.

Fire here is ALS/BLS functioning as BLS. Neighboring counties are either BLS or in some cases FR or just CPR.
10/11/2005 6:11:12 PM EDT
[#3]
For volunteer departments every firefighter that hac completed training is a first responder, most professional departments require at least EMT-B  In my particular county an ambulance goes on every fire call.  My volunteer company has both BLS and ALS ambulances with a paid medic and emt during the day and a paid medic and volunteer EMT at night.  A good majority of our volunteer firefighters are EMT's and are nationally certified FF's, but we're ahead of the game.
10/11/2005 8:26:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Less than 10 hydrants in the 1,300+ square miles we cover & once you factor in all the mutual aid areas we cover we provide fire/rescue/ems to more square miles than are in the entire state of Rode Island.

Aprox 60 members and we are a 100% volunteer department.

If/when we need water we haul every drop. Lots of mutual aid for tenders/tankers in these parts.

4 class A engines
2 Tenders/Tankers and working on a 3rd
3 Light Rescues
5 Brush trucks (2 are also rescue/medical equipped)
5 Forestry trucks (rebuilt/converted military 6x6's)

1st responder and EMT-B, no ALS.

ISO class 6/10 (within 5 miles of each station a class 6, outside that 5 mile radius a class 10)
10/11/2005 8:56:40 PM EDT
[#5]
The Volunteer Dept I'm on covers about 150 sq miles of rural country with few hydrants.
We do not do EMS, unless we are called simply for extra manpower by the Volunteer squad that covers our ESD, although we have several members that are certified as EMTs. We are trying to attract a paid EMS service for our ESD because we are not all that happy with the BLS Volunteer squad we have now.
We run out of three stations with about 30 members.
Apparatus:
2 Front line pumpers (w/ CAFS)
1 Reserve Pumper
2 tankers (working on a third)
4 off-road brush trucks (1 w/ CAFS)
We are on track to replace all of our old apparatus (1 tanker, 1 engine, and 1 brush truck) with new rigs and build two new stations to replace the old ones.  We also just hired part-time personel so we will have folks at the station M-F 0800-1800.
The EMS service I work for (just started) is hospital based and runs 31 ambulances at about 25 or so different stations.  Most are 24 hr 911 trucks with a few 12/10 hr trucks and two trucks that mainly run transfers.  Each truck has an EMT-B/I and a Medic.
10/11/2005 9:37:36 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the replies. My hat is off to you guys having to haul water. I can't imagine having to do that. I feel extremely spoiled now, I mean we have hydrants 300-400 ft apart and average around 80 or 90 psi per hydrant.

I find it very interesting how different and diverse each area is with regards to service. Especially when all these different systems are able to work on the same page for large incidents like 9/11 or Katrina.

I left some things out about my dept too. We don't run any ambulances its contracted out to Southwest (might be changing here in the next 6 months) and cover approximately 80-90 square miles and have just around 200 line personnel.

Once again m hat is off to the volunteer and rural guys, you guys really bust ass to provide service.
10/12/2005 7:30:01 AM EDT
[#7]
Most of our hydrants are 1000ft apart, so we carry 1200ft of 5".  Depending on the area, hydrant feeders can be as small as 6", as large as 36".  36" main will give you a static pressure somewhere in the range of 120-140.  Pumping close to idle is common in these areas.  On large fires, can call the water plant and have them turn on certain pumps to increase the ever important residual.  Pretty neat grid system.   We have no ambulance hastle here...thank God that is the county's problem.
10/12/2005 7:41:24 AM EDT
[#8]
21 engines, 11(?) Truck units,  couple of hazmat, couple of heavy rescue 5,683 battalion chiefs 24-48 schedule.  Every memeber is an EMT and they provide EBLS care.  Thats LRFD.  I'm thinking about joining. North little rock recently went to ALS and got some light rescue units.  Shit changes when you move for awhile.
10/12/2005 7:46:35 AM EDT
[#9]
My department (city owned)........We have First Responders, EMT-B's and Paramedics........... But all we provide is BLS service............. The county guys who reside in our station provide the ALS.

We have one squad (chevy blazer), one QR, one engine, two brush trucks, & one tanker (class A pumper)........... The county guys have one engine and a rescue (ambulance).

Most of our volly's are also career or work for the fire service in another capacity.
We have two Haz-mat techs (me and another guy in the army) one search & rescue guy, one EVT, etc............

We all have radios, Alpha pagers and VHF pagers (minitors).

Even tho we volunteer......... We are very professional....... Most don't think we are vollys!

We also have class A'a..........


Feel free to check out our newly created web site............

KHFD

10/12/2005 7:54:34 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Most of our hydrants are 1000ft apart, so we carry 1200ft of 5".  Depending on the area, hydrant feeders can be as small as 6", as large as 36".  36" main will give you a static pressure somewhere in the range of 120-140.  Pumping close to idle is common in these areas.  On large fires, can call the water plant and have them turn on certain pumps to increase the ever important residual.  Pretty neat grid system.   We have no ambulance hastle here...thank God that is the county's problem.




Hydrant? Whats that..............
10/12/2005 7:58:51 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Less than 10 hydrants in the 1,300+ square miles we cover & once you factor in all the mutual aid areas we cover we provide fire/rescue/ems to more square miles than are in the entire state of Rode Island.

Aprox 60 members and we are a 100% volunteer department.

If/when we need water we haul every drop. Lots of mutual aid for tenders/tankers in these parts.

4 class A engines
2 Tenders/Tankers and working on a 3rd
3 Light Rescues
5 Brush trucks (2 are also rescue/medical equipped)
5 Forestry trucks (rebuilt/converted military 6x6's)

1st responder and EMT-B, no ALS.

ISO class 6/10 (within 5 miles of each station a class 6, outside that 5 mile radius a class 10)




Thats how we do it, (our tanker is 3700 gallons of water)............ Mutual aid for tankers.......... We have perfected the art of rural fire fighting.......... We have Turbo Drafts,  we do farm lays, practice water shuttles, etc........... We get plenty of water when we need it, but it's very labor intensive.
10/12/2005 8:18:52 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:


Hydrant? Whats that..............




Volunteer Hazmat Technician
10/12/2005 8:20:57 AM EDT
[#13]
Is a "TurboDraft" a lowlevel strainer with a 1 1/2 coupling to reduce priming issues?
10/12/2005 10:33:00 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:


Hydrant? Whats that..............




Volunteer Hazmat Technician




No................ I work at a chemical plant.......... I'm on the in house 'Emergency Response Team/Industrial Fire Brigade'......... Haz-Mat tech, Industrial FF................. I also do the volly thing at home, we just don't get that much action at work...... all we do is train........


The county Fire Rescue also accepts volly Haz-Mat guys...which I'm a member of as well!
10/12/2005 10:36:19 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Is a "TurboDraft" a lowlevel strainer with a 1 1/2 coupling to reduce priming issues?




Turbo Draft

This thing is bad ass..........
10/12/2005 10:40:45 AM EDT
[#16]
Fancy looking jet siphon
10/12/2005 12:08:00 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:


No................ I work at a chemical plant.......... I'm on the in house 'Emergency Response Team/Industrial Fire Brigade'......... Haz-Mat tech, Industrial FF................. I also do the volly thing at home, we just don't get that much action at work...... all we do is train........


The county Fire Rescue also accepts volly Haz-Mat guys...which I'm a member of as well!



Ah ok, good deal.  I am very pro fire brigade, there are some good ones here.  There was a  VOL county HazMat Team here also, but it lost out due to budget problems.  Our deptartment had the same problem, it shut down our Team years ago. Some of us have kept up the Tech cert, but the dept only recognizes Ops.....unfortunately.

TurboDraft piece is similar to what I thought, although not entirely.  Thanks for the info.
10/12/2005 12:10:38 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:


No................ I work at a chemical plant.......... I'm on the in house 'Emergency Response Team/Industrial Fire Brigade'......... Haz-Mat tech, Industrial FF................. I also do the volly thing at home, we just don't get that much action at work...... all we do is train........


The county Fire Rescue also accepts volly Haz-Mat guys...which I'm a member of as well!



Ah ok, good deal.  I am very pro fire brigade, there are some good ones here.  There was a  VOL county HazMat Team here also, but it lost out due to budget problems.  Our deptartment had the same problem, it shut down our Team years ago. Some of us have kept up the Tech cert, but the dept only recognizes Ops.....unfortunately.




Yea we're pretty good as all we do is train............
10/12/2005 12:47:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Nothing wrong with training.
10/12/2005 8:20:00 PM EDT
[#20]



Even tho we volunteer......... We are very professional....... Most don't think we are vollys!




We have a paid city staff & the volleys cover the county. Over 80% of the people we come in contact with don't realize we are volunteer & think we are paid.

We strive to be professional and provide a professional service.
10/12/2005 8:25:08 PM EDT
[#21]
46 members with 46 beeing the chief

15 on a day"minus kelly days and vac days"min of 10"per contract

3 engines
1 truck
2 als ambulances
1 rescue

most of are firefighters are emts a few medics

ambulance is private contract/we own the rigs and service provides us the medics

24 hrs on 48 hrs off with a kelly day every month....

kelly day is a day we get off so they dont have to pay us overtime
10/12/2005 8:25:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Two Engines
One 75' Truck
One Heavy Rescue
One Engine/Tanker
One Squad
Two Puke boxes - provisional paramedic
One Chief truck
One Duty truck

50 volunteers
3 Part-time Fire/Medics
1 Paid Chief.

Currently in the paramedic class!!!    Click here

My favorite line this year! "I don't pay you volunteers to play basketball!"
10/12/2005 8:29:00 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Most of our hydrants are 1000ft apart, so we carry 1200ft of 5".  Depending on the area, hydrant feeders can be as small as 6", as large as 36".  36" main will give you a static pressure somewhere in the range of 120-140.  Pumping close to idle is common in these areas.  On large fires, can call the water plant and have them turn on certain pumps to increase the ever important residual.  Pretty neat grid system.   We have no ambulance hastle here...thank God that is the county's problem.


i hate 5in and i hate 4 in and i hate rolling hose
10/12/2005 8:29:53 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Thats how we do it, (our tanker is 3700 gallons of water)............ Mutual aid for tankers.......... We have perfected the art of rural fire fighting.......... We have Turbo Drafts,  we do farm lays, practice water shuttles, etc........... We get plenty of water when we need it, but it's very labor intensive.



Had a barn/garage fire couple weeks ago. Took a probi in on inital attack with me & the 1st thing he said was "I can't see anything" Asked him if he saw the red glow & he sort of stammered yes & that's when I explained to him that's called fire

Anywhoo, the 2nd due in engine ran 400ft of 5" LDH to supply us & we had 4 or 5 tenders bringing in water. Was a really good save, but were our engine was parked was really soft (in the field) & wet and sank to the rear axle as our engine has 1,000 gal of water

Had to go get a Forestry 6x6 to pull the engine out of the wet muck
10/13/2005 12:57:21 AM EDT
[#25]
Our FD also runs the BLS ambulance, and we get our medics from a hospital about 8-10 mins away.

2 1500 gpm pumpers
1 Brush truck
1 Ambulance
1 100' Tower Ladder
1 Heavy Rescue
1 Service
10/13/2005 5:20:24 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:



Even tho we volunteer......... We are very professional....... Most don't think we are vollys!




We have a paid city staff & the volleys cover the county. Over 80% of the people we come in contact with don't realize we are volunteer & think we are paid.

We strive to be professional and provide a professional service.



The only downside is that's tough on recruiting.

100% Volunteer ALS fire/rescue.
Four stations
Four truck companies
9 ALS squads
7 Pumpers
2 Tankers/Pumpers
5 Weed trucks
1 Heavy rescue
1 Hazmat
10/13/2005 1:52:26 PM EDT
[#27]
15 stations, all ALS
Each station has an ALS rescue, and 3 ALS engines in addition to the rescues.
Below is a link to the website (which has links to pictures of our stations, apparatus, and other stuff)
It has not been updated in a while, though...The department is a little bigger now
www.slcfd.com/main.htm

Links to our apparatus (some are not pictured)...and most of the older apparatus in the pics have been replaced by now.
I work out of Station 3 (Engine 3, Rescue 3, and Brush 3) "the old Brush 3 is pictured, it has been replaced with a truck like Brush 13".
www.slcfd.com/apparatus.htm

We work 24/48, with 3 week kelly days, and "5", "7", or "10" vacation days (depending on how many years youve been on the job.
10/14/2005 3:54:24 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Our FD also runs the BLS ambulance, and we get our medics from a hospital about 8-10 mins away.

2 1500 gpm pumpers
1 Brush truck
1 Ambulance
1 100' Tower Ladder
1 Heavy Rescue
1 Service




We only have one hospital thats about 5-10 minutes away............. the rest, it's about a 30 min ride............ Needless to say we fly alot of people out on ATU's (Air Trauma Units) as the hospital that is close is not a trauma center.........


NCFFEMTERT........... On the hydrant part we do have hydrants in town, near the grocery store, school but they are far &  few between............ With crappy water pressure........

Our engine has 1200 feet of 5" supply......... And our tanker has 1500 feet of 3" supply............ The county engine has 1000 feet of 5" & 1000 of 3" supply.........
10/14/2005 6:42:42 PM EDT
[#29]
If IC called for a droptank or a shuttle operation...we'd all look at eachother like a deer in headlights...we just dont do it enough.  In the 6 years ive been here, ive never seen it done other than training or as rolling in as mutual aide to another department.   We have a few lying areas we respond to where hydrants dont exist, but plans for future hydrants in these locations are already drawn up.  Our water system is probably the best in the state, or so they tell us  
10/15/2005 7:09:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Muni FD w/2 stations - Paramedic EMS. 99.9 % Hydranted district... ISO class 5

By Ordinance 34 personnel - a Chief, 3 Shift Commanders, 30 FF's (In reality we're @ 28 FF's.)  Min. staffing of 7 (5 & 2)on 24/48 schedule w/ kellys every 9th. 1 POC - a master carpenter who was denied a job by the Mayor 30 years ago (he wanted him as building commisioner instead), so he came downstairs and picked up a part timer application. .

He's still here - the mayor isn't.

ETA - Everybody hired after 1980 is required to be a Medic, so we've only got 2 EMT's left.

We're part of MABAS (Mutual Aid Box Alarm System) Division IV.

Minitor Pagers w/callbacks for multiple calls (2 or more rigs out), Full (fire) alarms, and fire calls.

Zoll M2 monitors, "Phenix" leather lids & MSA 2215 MMR SCBA's FWIW.

St. One - the "Little House in the Hood" has:

'02 Pierce 1000 tank/1500 GPM w/ class B foam capability as our 1st out structural rig; also carries "Non transport EMS equipment" at an ALS level.

1986 Pierce, 750/1000 gpm that has our Amkus setup as an extrication / reserve structural rig.

1976 Hendricks / Pierce / LTI 85' Tower no tank, 1250 GPM pump. The Chassis started life as a concrete truck, and they made the needed mods. For an old rig, it's still one of the most stable ladders in the county.

2003 Pierce / MEDTEC GM 4500 Ambulance (dealer demo rig) as 1st out rescue

1995/1986 E350 Wheeled Coach / American Ambulance - 2nd out rescue. This rig started out as front line GASOLINE E250 for a PD/FD/EMS "Public Safety" department south of us, then got
sold to a VFD south of us for a "disaster" rig. They sold it to a broker (the same who guy sold us our 2nd hand POS "Heavy Rescue") who had the Chief's ear. After we bought it, he took it to Florida where this "Joe Bob & Bubba Ammalance" did a crappy rechassis. Now we've gotta eat it.

Station Two... AKA the "Little House on the Prairie", "Retirement Home" etc...

1991 Pierce 1000/1000 w/ class B foam as our 2nd out structural rig - we also have an Amkus setup on this rig, but with only 2 or 3 people as the station, we hardly ever use it.

1999 Road Rescue E350 (that we actually spec'd ) for Station 2.

A 1989 Mobile Medical "recscue" body that is 2nd hand from another town - used to be a "heavy rescue" and the Hurst tool carrier, but we never got the staffing to run it, so the equipment got redistributed. We store our tech rescue gear & hazmat gear on it, and Prevention uses it as a bus for their school show stuff every October...

In addition to handling the calls out west (lots of MVA's on the 3 state highways and US 41) St. 2 normally comes in for all fires in Dist. 1, as well as coming in on the squad if there's multiple calls and not enough people to roll the engine as a first response.

We get about 2600 calls per year - mostly EMS (85 %)
10/16/2005 6:44:13 AM EDT
[#31]
ISO Class 1 Fire Dept, we provide BLS.
Our Dept. doens't put much effort into proper medical treatment.
20 Engines
7 Quints
1 Rescue
4 BC's
About 110 people on duty each shift
10/17/2005 6:41:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Provide BLS but working on getting a box in the stationfor ALS!!!

1 First run
1 Rescue rig
1 Quint
3 ARFF
10/17/2005 7:42:26 PM EDT
[#33]
We were ALS until 11 years ago, now BLS only.

20 Engines
5 Trucks
2 HazMats
1 TRT
2 ARFF rigs
2 BCs

We work  1-2 schedule, but may switch to the 2-4.
10/28/2005 8:04:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Volly Dept. here...
2 engine/rescues
1 squad
1 brush truck (Forestry junk)
1 Tanker

Ambulances are all ALS here but we got out of that about 8 years ago... Just fire now.