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Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:08:33 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:09:51 PM EST
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Fox News has a copy of the search warrant. Going to review it next.
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Has it actually been unsealed yet?
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:10:03 PM EST
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FISA is a secret court. This is not under FISA governance.
So your thrust is the FBI Director is acting on knowingly false information - a Director, Trump installed?
Well, I guess none of want careers with the FBI much longer.

The logic is kinda of befuddling if you believe this, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility. Just a very remote possibility.
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Are you disputing that the FBI lied on warrants? Simple yes or no.

Yes you are disputing they lied = you're pushing an agenda
No you aren't disputing they lied = then they duped the person signing the warrant in good faith.

The court isn't the issue... the issue is the integrity of the individual seeking the warrant.

Time and again we have seen this issue and from the rank and file to the director the organization stinks. "If you lie with dogs you get fleas".

What's the old adage... "once a cheater always a cheater".
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:11:13 PM EST
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Let's make sure we all understand each other.  You are totally good with the FBI and DOJ being able to conduct raids on former Presidents and opposition leaders at the direction of those currently in power?
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I’m surprised you weren’t banned from this thread after telling two members to go suck each other off.

Regardless, my days of taking you seriously sure aren’t starting today.

But if you really are curious about my opinion on all of this, I’ve shared it several times many pages back. Maybe go re-read it instead of trying to put bullshit I never said in my mouth.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:11:32 PM EST
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FBI 'recovered 11 sets of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago' and waited three days to raid after warrant was signed: Files included 'top secret' papers, handwritten notes and 'information about the President of France'  


The warrant is believed to have given FBI agents permission to search in Trump's office and all storage areas on the premises, and states four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents, and three sets of confidential documents were retrieved.

Trump's attorneys now also claim former President Trump declassified the documents before he left office. A president has the power to declassify any document, but there is a strict federal procedure for doing so.

In breaching the former president's residency Monday, the FBI was looking for Top Secret and 'compartmented' documents dealing with intelligence 'sources and methods,' government sources told Newsweek on Friday.

'Compartmented' documents would pertain to 'classified information concerning or derived from intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes, which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence.'

Only a very small circle of people would be allowed to know what was on such documents, which could mean that a warrant or a receipt would not reveal much information about what was taken.

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Sounds like they were looking for documents pertaining to Crossfire Hurricane. Covering their tracks.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:11:46 PM EST
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FHRC had a server full of this shit in her damn bathroom and destroyed untold amounts to cover her crimes.  This shit is nuts.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:12:05 PM EST
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What's the old adage... "once a cheater always a cheater".
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Is that really an argument you wanna run with in a thread about Trump?  
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Basically a life sentence.
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Finally, some actual info being released.
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Remember, kids…. That hope you have that republicans are going to fix this is a pipe dream… the Republicans knew more about the FISA crimes than we do now and they did fuck-all about it.
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On January 7, they certified fraudulent ballots and installed a dementia-addled and thoroughly corrupt puppet of the globalists.

Everything else is peanuts compared to that.  The GOP does not work for the People or abide by the Constitution.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:14:23 PM EST
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Welcome to late 1860, folks.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:15:13 PM EST
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This all seems pretty simple to me:

1. At the conclusion of the final term as POTUS, a POTUS is to surrender all work product, official communique, and documentation - particularly anything SC or TSC-SCI or even sensitive to Archives.

2. Basically a "don't take homework home with you" regulation.

3. Apparently Trump elected not to follow this regulation.

4. A substantially validated lead - not a tip, but a lead, was presented to the FBI. It had to be more than "a tip."
It takes near certainty to get a warrant on a Government official, much less a previous President - especially with the political considerations. The FBI Director pretty much bet their job on this one (BTW - the FBI Director was appointed by Trump).

5. A duly sworn out warrant was written up, signed, and executed - not different that the thousands of others done weekly for private citizens.

6. A high-level FBI team was sent to Florida to serve a warrant.

7. The warrant was lawfully served.

8. As of today, over 20 boxes of documents have been removed from Trump's residence.

9. Unless related to the warrant or other discovery evidence, it cannot be removed.

10. At any point Trump is free to publish and release the contents of the warrant and what search items were covered, which of course would demystify the invalidation he is attempting to groom, but had declined to do so - also knowing the FBI and DOJ cannot freely publish the warrant without the approval of the courts.


Conclusion: As a private citizen, don't take home Federal documents you are not entitled to and the FBI won't send the door kickers to your residence.

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The N_Ts, Share_Blue Shills and Discouragement Trolls are out in full force in this and other political threads. Did David Brock give you guys a raise to offset inflation?
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:15:45 PM EST
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This all seems pretty simple to me:

1. At the conclusion of the final term as POTUS, a POTUS is to surrender all work product, official communique, and documentation - particularly anything SC or TSC-SCI or even sensitive to Archives.

2. Basically a "don't take homework home with you" regulation.

3. Apparently Trump elected not to follow this regulation.

4. A substantially validated lead - not a tip, but a lead, was presented to the FBI. It had to be more than "a tip."
It takes near certainty to get a warrant on a Government official, much less a previous President - especially with the political considerations. The FBI Director pretty much bet their job on this one (BTW - the FBI Director was appointed by Trump).

5. A duly sworn out warrant was written up, signed, and executed - not different that the thousands of others done weekly for private citizens.

6. A high-level FBI team was sent to Florida to serve a warrant.

7. The warrant was lawfully served.

8. As of today, over 20 boxes of documents have been removed from Trump's residence.

9. Unless related to the warrant or other discovery evidence, it cannot be removed.

10. At any point Trump is free to publish and release the contents of the warrant and what search items were covered, which of course would demystify the invalidation he is attempting to groom, but had declined to do so - also knowing the FBI and DOJ cannot freely publish the warrant without the approval of the courts.


Conclusion: As a private citizen, don't take home Federal documents you are not entitled to and the FBI won't send the door kickers to your residence.

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When will the FBI raid Obama and seize the 30,000,000 pages of documents he criminally stole from We the People?
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:17:05 PM EST
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FISA is a secret court. This is not under FISA governance.
So your thrust is the FBI Director is acting on knowingly false information - a Director, Trump installed?
Well, I guess none of want careers with the FBI much longer.

The logic is kinda of befuddling if you believe this, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility. Just a very remote possibility.
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I have some beach front property in Arizona you might be interested in...

How much "evidence" was presented to the FISA court to get a warrant? A manufactured dossier, that the FBI knew was manufactured and they still lied about.

Or how about them lying to get a warrant to seize the contents of safe deposit boxes?

I wouldn't be so sure that the bad actors didn't see something posted about nuclear codes on DU and use that as "a substantially validated lead".


FISA is a secret court. This is not under FISA governance.
So your thrust is the FBI Director is acting on knowingly false information - a Director, Trump installed?
Well, I guess none of want careers with the FBI much longer.

The logic is kinda of befuddling if you believe this, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility. Just a very remote possibility.




Does the phrase "Russia! Russia! Russia!" hold any meaning for you? FIBs have innumerable instances of outright illegal activity just in the last decade including falsification of evidence to obtain illegal warrants. The "logic" is they have a history of doing this and this particular instance is no different.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:17:45 PM EST
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The N_Ts, Share_Blue Shills and Discouragement Trolls are out in full force in this and other political threads. Did David Brock give you guys a raise to offset inflation?
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It would be interesting to see what percentage of posts in this thread are like this one - just whining because people you don't like are posting in it.

I'm guessing it would be a not insignificant number.  
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:18:36 PM EST
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Hillary was never a President.  She was never even elected as dog catcher.
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LOL
They are only bringing up the nuclear thing because they think it may be one area where the power of the President to declassify is not unlimited.
Hillary:
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Hillary was never a President.  She was never even elected as dog catcher.


Yup, only elected as a Senator.....
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:18:54 PM EST
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There is lack of formality in certain ad-hoc scenarios, but not in all scenarios.
Who was around to witness the declass/reclass?
Who documented the order to do so?
What level of visibility was this supposed to have?

Unless he can provide validated evidence of this, saying, "I took these home after I told myself it was OK to take these home and keep them."
Well, that ain't going to stand-up.
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I have feeling I have a very similar background and your last statement even demonstates the lack of formality required for POTUS to do it.

There is lack of formality in certain ad-hoc scenarios, but not in all scenarios.
Who was around to witness the declass/reclass?
Who documented the order to do so?
What level of visibility was this supposed to have?

Unless he can provide validated evidence of this, saying, "I took these home after I told myself it was OK to take these home and keep them."
Well, that ain't going to stand-up.


Actually, yes, it will because he is the OCA and has that right.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:19:07 PM EST
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FISA is a secret court. This is not under FISA governance.
So your thrust is the FBI Director is acting on knowingly false information - a Director, Trump installed?
Well, I guess none of want careers with the FBI much longer.

The logic is kinda of befuddling if you believe this, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility. Just a very remote possibility.
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The FBI director has acted on false information before, likely with knowledge he was doing so. And since the FBI is positioning itself with the democrats, it’s unclear whether they think they can weather the storm or just don’t think they’ve placed themselves at risk.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:19:13 PM EST
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FHRC had a server full of this shit in her damn bathroom and destroyed untold amounts to cover her crimes.  This shit is nuts.
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When the news came out about her server and the documents it contained.  I made the point of we needed to know the source of the documents’ classification.  If they were all classified under DoS than she may be guilty of some information security related things as laid out by public law, but she as the senior OCA within DoS may not be guilty of holding classified materials.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:19:17 PM EST
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Is that really an argument you wanna run with in a thread about Trump?  
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I don't have a problem with the statement... do you?
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:19:23 PM EST
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When will the FBI raid Obama and seize the 30,000,000 pages of documents he criminally stole from We the People?
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Right after the Clinton fiasco

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Or the Joe Biden billion dollar aid

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Or Joe Biden never knew anything about Hunter's business

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Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:19:29 PM EST
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Welcome to late 1860, folks.
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fixed
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:20:48 PM EST
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Say it with me class....

"ANONYMOUS SOURCES"

"FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION"

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Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:21:26 PM EST
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When will the FBI raid Obama and seize the 30,000,000 pages of documents he criminally stole from We the People?
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What will they do when there aren't still 30,000,000 pages there or some are damaged?
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:22:46 PM EST
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“I'm waiting for:

- Documents on aliens, DOD needs your help to fight the alien drones!”


Not that I’m saying it’s even slightly true, but there is increasing chatter in the space and UAP forums that 45 declassified info on the well documented and now public US Navy tic tac engagements and that he took the info with him.

If true, GOOD, but we’ll never really know.

What we do know is that the deep state has decided to wage war against its adversary and the American people using any means necessary to maintain its grip on absolute power.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:22:56 PM EST
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The FBI director has acted on false information before, likely with knowledge he was doing so. And since the FBI is positioning itself with the democrats, it’s unclear whether they think they can weather the storm or just don’t think they’ve placed themselves at risk.
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Definitely knowing he was doing so when renewing the FISA warrant.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:23:03 PM EST
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Lol

Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:23:17 PM EST
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Guess the cadets at the Citadel better get their cannons ready.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:23:29 PM EST
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Warrants are private information not public, until introduced as evidence in a trial.
The burden of proof is on them, but public release of the warrant can be occur by Trump, which he may do at his discretion (and why not at this point).
The FBI cannot do such ahead of a trial until the Court grant permission to do so.
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I'm sorry. All credibility with the federal agencies is shot. The burden of proof is on them. What exact information was being sought, why and was it recovered?


Warrants are private information not public, until introduced as evidence in a trial.
The burden of proof is on them, but public release of the warrant can be occur by Trump, which he may do at his discretion (and why not at this point).
The FBI cannot do such ahead of a trial until the Court grant permission to do so.


No, *sealed* warrants are private information until unsealed. Perhaps you should learn more and post less.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:23:47 PM EST
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The republic is dead. The federal government has zero legitimacy.
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Say it with me class....

"ANONYMOUS SOURCES"

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And don’t forget the all time classic, “Some are saying…”
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:24:35 PM EST
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My line of thought in the end comes down to this, given the past proven instances of malfeasance in prior investigations regarding him and others, how does the DOJ attempt to overcome the lack of trust in their organization so that the millions of people that no longer trust them to have any morals or integrity that they truly are on the righteous path?

They’ve lost their credibility with so many people and to push things in this situation down the path that they appear to be heading is an endeavor that so far they appear to be completely tone deaf to the fact that there are millions of people that not only don’t trust them anymore but openly support the destruction of the institution because of their past corruption. To extrapolate further, as we’ve seen yesterday, if there are enough people that feel strongly enough that it should be destroyed that there will be a smaller number that decides that the time to destroy it is now and will take action. They have a huge burden of proof that if not met will only throw fuel to the smoldering fire and will lead to more instances pole we saw in OH except perhaps the next person might be not only motivated but competent.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:24:51 PM EST
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Nobody should be above the law.



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Good. They are traitors.
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Guess the cadets at the Citadel better get their cannons ready.
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Florida’s home guard needs to commence training PDQ.
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:25:40 PM EST
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Anything they found that wasn't supposed to be there was planted.

100%
Link Posted: 8/12/2022 2:26:02 PM EST
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[color=#ff0000]"During her tenure as United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton drew controversy by using a private email server for official public communications rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal servers. Clinton's server was found to hold over 100 emails containing classified information, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails not marked classified were retroactively designated confidential by the State Department.[1][2][3]"
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It took 4 years to get access to clinton servers a and she delivered the emails, no one raided her premises to find anything else.


As early as 2009, officials with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) expressed concerns over possible violations of normal federal government record-keeping procedures at the State Department under then-Secretary Clinton.[34]

In December 2012, near the end of Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State, a nonprofit group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW, filed a FOIA request seeking records about her email. CREW received a response in May 2013: "no records responsive to your request were located."[16] Emails sent to Clinton's private clintonemail.com address were first discovered in March 2013, when a hacker named "Guccifer" widely distributed emails sent to Clinton from Sidney Blumenthal, which Guccifer obtained by illegally accessing Blumenthal's email account.[35][36][37] The emails dealt with the 2012 Benghazi attack and other issues in Libya and revealed the existence of her clintonemail.com address.[35][36][37]

Blumenthal did not have a security clearance when he received material from Clinton that has since been characterized as classified by the State Department.[38][39]

In the summer of 2014, lawyers from the State Department noticed a number of emails from Clinton's personal account, while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on Benghazi. A request by the State Department for additional emails led to negotiations with her lawyers and advisors. In October, the State Department sent letters to Clinton and all previous Secretaries of State back to Madeleine Albright requesting emails and documents related to their work while in office. On December 5, 2014, Clinton lawyers delivered 12 file boxes filled with printed paper containing more than 30,000 emails. Clinton withheld almost 32,000 emails deemed to be of a personal nature.[16] Datto, Inc., which provided data backup service for Clinton's email, agreed to give the FBI the hardware that stored the backups.[40]

As of May 2016, no answer had been provided to the public as to whether 31,000 emails deleted by Hillary Clinton as personal have been or could be recovered.[41]

A March 2, 2015 New York Times article broke the story that the Benghazi panel had discovered that Clinton exclusively used her own private email server rather than a government-issued one throughout her time as Secretary of State, and that her aides took no action to preserve emails sent or received from her personal accounts as required by law.[42][43][44] At that point, Clinton announced that she had asked the State Department to release her emails.[45] Some in the media labeled the controversy "emailgate."[46][47][48]
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Is this a post or a website made in 1995??
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The protocol must be followed, but that does not mean the order, once given can be ignored.
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The protocol for the president isn’t really a protocol. He just decides and orders.
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Wow. Espionage? Seriously?
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One of the underscore team...

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Perhaps your sentiments should be viewed in the context of historical deliberate no prosecution of similar alleged crimes leading to the first attempt to uphold this particular law against a politician.
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My line of thought in the end comes down to this, given the past proven instances of malfeasance in prior investigations regarding him and others, how does the DOJ attempt to overcome the lack of trust in their organization so that the millions of people that no longer trust them to have any morals or integrity that they truly are on the righteous path?

They’ve lost their credibility with so many people and to push things in this situation down the path that they appear to be heading is an endeavor that so far they appear to be completely tone deaf to the fact that there are millions of people that not only don’t trust them anymore but openly support the destruction of the institution because of their past corruption. To extrapolate further, as we’ve seen yesterday, if there are enough people that feel strongly enough that it should be destroyed that there will be a smaller number that decides that the time to destroy it is now and will take action. They have a huge burden of proof that if not met will only throw fuel to the smoldering fire and will lead to more instances pole we saw in OH except perhaps the next person might be not only motivated but competent.
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Simple - option A disband them. Option B have oversight. Since option B is the currently invoked option but the director feels he doesn't need to answer the Qs of the oversight committee then option B is no longer valid. S that leaves option A
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Here's an exact transcript of the thought processes that went into this lie:

"Hmmm... how do we justify this new warrant on the president... we have to make it sound good... it has to sound really important. It can't be something lame about the fucking National Archives, those bunch of pansies and bookworms.

"Last time we said it was because he was a Russian Agent. Can we say it's about him being a Russian Agent again? No, people won't believe that. The Russian Agent story kind of blew up in our faces. There's only so many times you can go to the Russian Agent well...

"We kind of need it to be bigger than the Russian Agent story. What's bigger than the President being a Russian Agent...?

"Hmm, we might have made a pretty pickle for ourselves with starting right off with the Russian Agent cover story. That's a hard one to top!

"Oh wait, I know what's bigger than the President being a Russian Agent -- what if he's a concealing NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!

"No wait, that's stupid -- how could Trump smuggle a nuke out of the White House? And where would he even get one? Unless we can figure out a way to claim he disassembled a nuke and smuggled it out in old Big Mac cartons, this isn't going to work at all...

"But... but we could say he has a document about a nuclear weapon, right...?!

"Right? Right! I mean, shit, US government documents contain a reference to nuclear weapons like every twenty or thirty pages! It's bound to be true, just based on the law of averages! If he's got more than 100 pages of documents, there are probably a solid three or four mentions of nuclear weapons in there!

"So that's it -- we'll say that the president, FORMERLY SUSPECTED OF BEING A RUSSIAN AGENT, IS NOW SUSPECTED OF CONCEALING SENSITIVE DOCUMENTS ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!"
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That's actually believable. Probably uncannily accurate.
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