Posted: 10/21/2005 8:39:26 PM EDT
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So I watched Batman Begins tonight. It was a pretty good movie, but I do have a question for y'all. Is it just me, or was there a pretty strong anti-gun theme to this flick? |
Ibelive we had two thread aboutthis way back when it came out. Personaly I loved the movie. I also watched it again tonight. |
Well, there was the part where Bruce Wayne goes: "I was just a coward with a gun" But really I was referring to Lieutenent Gordon's closing speech: "We get semi automatics, and they get automatics. We buy kevlar body armour and they buy armor piercing bullets." Maybe I'm just programed to be on the defensive towards everything that comes out of Hollywood. |
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Terrribly good movie...The other Batman's were really bad compared.... I don't think anti-gun. I think it was just true to the batman theme. I guess he could maybe be a bit more effective with a couple uzis under the cape, but that is not how he works... I guess you could say that about most comic book heroes, but just cus they don't use guns, does not mean they are anti. |
Great movie, but I agree that is last speech was a political plug. |
You will get over it. Not gonna let something like that ruin one of the best fims of 2005 when I watch it. |
 I've just had to get over the whole anti - gun bias in hollywierd thing I just go into a movie knowing it and seem to enjoy myself alot more. That being said If a real POS ANTI MOVIE is obvious, a MICHAEL MOORE for example I WILL NOT PAY ONE DAMN DIME..........EVER
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Actually he was referring to escalation and addressing issues like crime fighters who wear a mask. |
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Good movie.. but the plot holes get to me. Hm.. microwave, hmm? Only go after the water supply, hmm? What about your body, it's made of 75% water.. oops, don't think about that. Also no thought about, say, people who boil water for pasts. So they're gonna go mad and die now? I didn't like the deviation from the plot of the original Batman where the Joker killed Bruce's parents. I did like the self-reliance theme through the movie, but the DA was such an idealistic hippie. |
It wasnt a deviation. The original batman movie is the one that deviated from the comic book story. They got it correct with this one. Joker never killed Bruce's parents in the comic book. |
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Nothing really anti gun in that statment. It's true and you can interpret it how ever you like. For a movie that could have been horribly anti gun don't complain. This is the best Batman Movie ever. Hollywood finaly figured out what his character is. And why he is so popular. I want them to remake all the others the right way. As in the way it is in the comics. |
Should have specified "Batman - The Movie" If they're going to have several of the Batman movies return to the same point (his parents being gunned down) wouldn't it make sense to have them all be shown in the same way? |
Wouldnt it make sense to correct the original fuck-up and show it how it really happened? |
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I've been a fan of the Batman genre for a long time and he has always been anti-gun. But that never stopped me from reading every issue since 1970. Batman has been around for a lot longer than many know. Back in 1939, when Batman first appeared, you already had The Phantom with his twin .45’s so the Batman used other means to defend himself and apprehend the evil-doer. I thought “Batman Begins” was the best of the current series. I never really believed Michael ‘Mr. Mom’ Keaton as the Bat. George Clooney is a pretty good actor but his politics sour me on his performance. Val Kilmer was a little bit more believable but I think it takes a relative unknown like Christian Bale to tell the tale of The Dark Knight. All that campy crap in the 1960’s with Adam West was a total sell-out to the Batman story. In the current movie the gun represents young Master Bruce’s fight with thoughts of revenge. Tossing the gun in the river was symbolic. I didn’t see a big anti-gun message in the movie. |
of course I just look at each batman movie as being sepreate parraele universes kinda like how the comic books do when they come up with spinoffs or other versions of the same characters that good with the earlyer ones. |
...and killed people |
He sure did. |
i didn't really detect the anti-gun thing until someone in this thread kinda flipped on a light for me.... never really saw it that way before. if Batman Begins has anti-gun undertones to it, they aren't so bad... i just don't like the movies that have anti-gun OVERTONES to them. you know, the ones that basicaly have the actors saying crap like "yeah, he was using cop-killer bullets" or "look out he has armor-piercing rounds!" wasn't there a lethal weapon movie that had something like this in it? i think some rookie got whacked by an "armor-piercing" round, the director made a point about filming a part right before he got shot of a bullet going through an empty 55 gal. drum. as if 55 gal drums are decent cover.... i like how Batman Begins is all about the back-story, how he found the cave... got his car... i always thought of comic-book heroes as being focused on the heroic aspects of the character, not what they used to get rid of bad guys. i guess that's why i never really "got" the Punisher or comic books like that. seriously, not trying to hijack this. |