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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: The not paying people has been going on for a long time. Somewhere I have a screenshot i took quite a few years ago of a thread from the forum at bg.battletech.com where Herb Beas mentioned that happening. One of the mods there told him to stop before the discussion went very far. And I thought the company funds being used on a house was from the FanPro days? Speaking of the bg.battletech.com forum...is it still going? I haven't been in there in years. View Quote CGL's twitter actually tried pushing it over the weekend and immediately blocked any replies on their post. They're doing this now for pretty much all their postings. Also telling is the fact there is zero mention of the email issue on the sub-reddit. I really wish someone would make another that has nothing to do w/ CGL. r/grognard_Battletech or something. |
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: The not paying people has been going on for a long time. Somewhere I have a screenshot i took quite a few years ago of a thread from the forum at bg.battletech.com where Herb Beas mentioned that happening. One of the mods there told him to stop before the discussion went very far. And I thought the company funds being used on a house was from the FanPro days? Speaking of the bg.battletech.com forum...is it still going? I haven't been in there in years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hoosierhick: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: ETA: not that CGL besides rem is sane. There's been problems with the BT publishers for a long while now - numerous reports of freelancers -artists and authors- not getting paid as they should, when they should, or how much they should, including and up to six figures worth of company funds being wrongfully used to do work on one of the employee's houses that wound up as a "oopsie, we're sorry, we accidentally mixed work and private funds!" ... I would also like to know why ben rome left, etc. The not paying people has been going on for a long time. Somewhere I have a screenshot i took quite a few years ago of a thread from the forum at bg.battletech.com where Herb Beas mentioned that happening. One of the mods there told him to stop before the discussion went very far. And I thought the company funds being used on a house was from the FanPro days? Speaking of the bg.battletech.com forum...is it still going? I haven't been in there in years. Yeah, the bg.battletech.com forum is still there and ticking over pretty well. Don't try and discuss any of the hot button topics though. Unless of course you're doing it from the side with privelige and power: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=djc014r54bm2r2hu9ivd0ivdv4&topic=84406.0;all Than your topic will be allowed to go on for a while, no matter how controversial and sensitive it is in reality. You can still find a bunch of stuff on the megamek subforum: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=djc014r54bm2r2hu9ivd0ivdv4&board=29.0 It's not completely gone and lost to the weird, but you can see the veins in it now. ETA: I didn't see the direct mention on the BG.BT forums, I caught a few threads on dumpshock (the unofficial official shadowrun forum) back when the misuse of company funds happened, and saw mention of how they abused their freelancers and authors. IIRC they were dumb enough to even screw up payments to stackpole. ---------------------------------- SVEN dropped the latest video in his history of the 2nd succession war: BattleTech Lore & History - Second Succession War: Exhaustion (MechWarrior Lore) His stuff is not to be missed for anyone interested in the setting. |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: Yes and still as ancient as ever. CGL's twitter actually tried pushing it over the weekend and immediately blocked any replies on their post. They're doing this now for pretty much all their postings. Also telling is the fact there is zero mention of the email issue on the sub-reddit. I really wish someone would make another that has nothing to do w/ CGL. r/grognard_Battletech or something. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Paulie771: Originally Posted By hoosierhick: The not paying people has been going on for a long time. Somewhere I have a screenshot i took quite a few years ago of a thread from the forum at bg.battletech.com where Herb Beas mentioned that happening. One of the mods there told him to stop before the discussion went very far. And I thought the company funds being used on a house was from the FanPro days? Speaking of the bg.battletech.com forum...is it still going? I haven't been in there in years. Yes and still as ancient as ever. CGL's twitter actually tried pushing it over the weekend and immediately blocked any replies on their post. They're doing this now for pretty much all their postings. Also telling is the fact there is zero mention of the email issue on the sub-reddit. I really wish someone would make another that has nothing to do w/ CGL. r/grognard_Battletech or something. @Paulie771 https://battletechfuture.com/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/battletechfandom https://discord.gg/WPESpHEj2K https://twitter.com/i/communities/1752116268994363816 https://twitter.com/i/communities/1781458505259524535 https://www.reddit.com/r/NormalBattletech/ |
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Razorfist just did a livestream talking with a YT channel about the details and etc of the recent goings on with a good number of details that have not been mentioned yet.
An Autistic Deep Dive Into The Battletech Controversy with Razorfist | Side Scrollers Skip to 56 minutes to get to the BT stuff; or if you want to watch it on YT, hit the link and it'll take you to the right time in the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrKJJVg7qU8&t=3360s I didn't know about the "starleague" discord server wtih the auto-deleting posts full of cgl staff and that there was goading going on. Razorfist repeats they had a list built beforehand, built a blocklist of everyone that followed any twitter accounts that they didn't like. ETA: Razorfist is saying that russel zimmerman was encouraging valk (brisneo - paint your minis dude who says he's a chick upthread) in some doxxing... |
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This kind of shit is why people move to the Outworlds Alliance.
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux: This kind of shit is why people move to the Outworlds Alliance. View Quote You can always come move out with us in the davion outback. Life is slower here, but you don't put up with a lot of the nonsense. https://archive.is/34Vtu |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: You can always come move out with us in the davion outback. Life is slower here, but you don't put up with a lot of the nonsense. https://archive.is/34Vtu View Quote Yeah, but then there's the Federated dropship schools that fly around and you never know if you're going to get a dynamic, great physics teacher from NAIS or if you're going to get some demented cultural weirdo indoctrinator who believes that Kentares IV was justified because Jinjiro felt ethnically oppressed. |
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux: Yeah, but then there's the Federated dropship schools that fly around and you never know if you're going to get a dynamic, great physics teacher from NAIS or if you're going to get some demented cultural weirdo indoctrinator who believes that Kentares IV was justified because Jinjiro felt ethnically oppressed. View Quote Well, yeah, but if you want some fun, bring banjos down to the landing pad when the green star corp ship lands. It reminds them of that time they sent a group out to try and mess with the local farmers and the group never showed up again. Them pigs was fat-uns at the county fair that yar! |
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ROFLMAO! Looks like CGL and their shipping fiasco is about to burn bright again. People are starting to report updated shipping costs that are only a few dollars less than they were originally. For mine, it dropped from ~$30 to $21 for the basic box and a few packs of dice. Fuck these guys, man. Luckily, the card I used to pay originally was compromised so the they can't charge me as I haven't updated it to the new card. Very tempted to just eat the few dollars I did pay so they have to sit on the product.
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As expected:
https://archive.is/Z1cpA https://web.archive.org/web/20070515000000*/https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anastasius_Focht Earliest copy wayback machine has: https://web.archive.org/web/20071202034913/https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anastasius_Focht Who's the troll "author" ? https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bryan_Young Here's his stuff, if you are inclined to dispose of it or avoid it: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_Bryan_Young Focht (frederick steiner) was never trans, never hinted to be trans, never implied to be trans, etc. In the novels focht was being researched by the invading clanners and there is (iirc, I'll have to find the reference than take a picture of the actual page in the book) mention that the clans even went so far as to see if there was a sex change operation in focht's past. Young is just being a sleazy fanfic writer. I wonder who in his immediate family has gone the route of being mutilated and reinforcing that kind of self destructive delusion. If you have the old print books, hold onto them. With this kind of irrational destructive of people brain rot going on, I can't see them not starting to do major retcons. ETA: nm. The immature jerk hoisted himself on his own petard. Behold, a "author" who thinks this implied that focht was trans: Bryan Young (@swankmotron) May 5, 2024 I guess if you're willing to believe males can be females, not being able to read at a third grade level is just expected. So, let's do the hard part for the "author" who can't read. "From that, Focht would be, at most, one hundred years old. He seems obviously male, but the possibility of a sex-change was not discounted." imply: to communicate an idea or feeling without saying it directly: There isn't anyhing implied there. Zilch. And than the very text he cited (where the people who say they investigated to see if a sex change was involved) continued to refer to Focht as a he. Oh, and the references? They are to Focht before AND after his "rebirth." For some reason or the other BY is willing to make a complete absolute fool of himself in public over this stuff. It's like he's trying to cover a guilty conscience or something. ------------------------- Eta: Well that explains it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220420233431/https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/1516923158728638465 He calls his kida they. He was involved with his kid being transed. He's a complete radical. He will never admit trans is wrong, because to do so, makes him (at the very least) complicit in horrifically mutilating his child's mind and emotions. If he was involved in getting his kid castrated and mutilated... There isn't anything he won't do to avoid admission that he's a child mutilationist. Of course he's flailing and grasping at anything he can to try and say "no, no, what I was involved with perpetrating on my own children is completely normal!" ETA: Or he's just going along with the self destruction of his family and his child if the kid is older and out of the house, which is only a few hairs better. |
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Clanners are and always have been furries.
Used to be they were just Garth's "did you ever think Bugs bunny was hot when he dressed up like a girl bunny?" and then they got progressively worse. Any Battletech after 3049 is suspect. Fred Steiner as Focht is baffling to the infiltrating gamer left because they don't get that a schlubby fat dude could say "what am I doing with my life?" and unfuck it. He hit the gym and went off to kick ass. And then he went to lead the religious phone company and beat the brakes off some furry transhumanist cultists. That they would want to say he's trans is what they do. Clans aren't weird enough anymore. Hence the hyperspace Word of Blake interdimensional Event Horizon cyborgs. Then trans Focht, because everything must conform to "the message". I should also note that there aren't new dynamic characters that just happen to be group xyz, because real life identity politics demands characteristic xyz be all of their identity. Battletech is populated by representatives of all current world cultures and some new ones as well because that's a natural outgrowth of human development. Separate problem is that eventually feudal lords fighting over all of known space is hard science that outgrows itself. Tech was degraded so you could have small lasers that only go 90 yards. OG BT where commanders agree to scenarios as part of the Ares Conventions to play war as a game to minimize damage just seems silly when you crank out a dozen new books with industry that comes out of nowhere. And then there's the problem of crap like Dark Ages and having a future that's already written. |
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Small lasers still only go 3 hexes in my world. Battletech rules for me hit their apex with the Tactical Handbook and Maximum Tech.
I no longer am willing to commit enough mental energy to try to decipher what gibberish house rule was codified into a new "standard" piece of equipment or rule when those kinds of things used to be footnotes in individual books at most if you were using that scenario or location. The Raven still has a generic note of "7 tons ECM equipment" to me, dammit. Also I think the Word of Blake Jihad is dumb, in no small part it requires legions of troops to just materialize out of nowhere. LCS Invicible is lost, and writers digging through original sourcebooks to dredge up anything they can find to make themselves seem cool is just lazy. I remember picking up the books and going "oh, they just killed everyone and everything almost everywhere with magical troops that came from nowhere, and with fanaticism that makes Jinjiro's terrified minions seem tame"... and then realizing that if everything I liked about the conflicting factions was annihilated...well, who cares? Felt like it killed the whole setting for me. I do the "play when you want to" thing, and have been long before Razorfist suggested it. I occasionally pick up old FASA books I couldn't find years ago, but beyond that, the community itself is no longer the one I remember back in the long long ago of Battletechnology and such. And then there's just how the internet ruins everything. And I say this all as one of the very few who is cool with Far Country's weirdness. |
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux: Small lasers still only go 3 hexes in my world. Battletech rules for me hit their apex with the Tactical Handbook and Maximum Tech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sirveaux: Small lasers still only go 3 hexes in my world. Battletech rules for me hit their apex with the Tactical Handbook and Maximum Tech. IIRC they had extreme and maybe LOS range in maxtech? *pulls off shelf to check* ... Not los. but extreme range, page 23, left column. Starts 1 hex beyond long range, extends out to range euqal to weapons med range times two. Originally Posted By Sirveaux: I no longer am willing to commit enough mental energy to try to decipher what gibberish house rule was codified into a new "standard" piece of equipment or rule when those kinds of things used to be footnotes in individual books at most if you were using that scenario or location. The Raven still has a generic note of "7 tons ECM equipment" to me, dammit. And that's no skin off anyone's nose man. It's a game ... do what's fun for yourself. Originally Posted By Sirveaux: Also I think the Word of Blake Jihad is dumb, in no small part it requires legions of troops to just materialize out of nowhere. LCS Invicible is lost, and writers digging through original sourcebooks to dredge up anything they can find to make themselves seem cool is just lazy. I remember picking up the books and going "oh, they just killed everyone and everything almost everywhere with magical troops that came from nowhere, and with fanaticism that makes Jinjiro's terrified minions seem tame"... and then realizing that if everything I liked about the conflicting factions was annihilated...well, who cares? Felt like it killed the whole setting for me. I have seen/heard/read from guys who feel that way about the clan invasion. I honestly don't know what piece of equipment changed the game as much as the 2 slot clan DHS. Damage output and maneuver changed massively. I'm beginning to turn my nose up at some of the fiction inserting the intentionally current day leftist politics into the setting, and I read just enough of some books by illsa j bick to know that she writes filth and effectively hates the setting (She openly said in one of the books in the authors note or some such that she *hates* writing mech combat.) And of course I am orthodox, which means I hate the stupid sentient birds. The only good thing about that book was the detailed description of the lam mech cockpit. Originally Posted By Sirveaux: I do the "play when you want to" thing, and have been long before Razorfist suggested it. I occasionally pick up old FASA books I couldn't find years ago, but beyond that, the community itself is no longer the one I remember back in the long long ago of Battletechnology and such. And then there's just how the internet ruins everything. And I say this all as one of the very few who is cool with Far Country's weirdness. Heh. Heretic! May the birdmen peck your eyes out for eternity! LOL. Where I live, and my situation means if I get to play, it's on megamek. The unit selection tools and such mean you can put the game right into the tech level and era of stuff that you want and ignore all the rest. As for missing the community, that hits me right in the feels. If you like something, pray that it never gets popular. |
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CGL speedrunning into the septic tank:
https://twitter.com/Periphery_Anon/status/1789967427767242865 https://web.archive.org/web/20240513103425/https://twitter.com/Periphery_Anon/status/1789967427767242865 https://archive.is/5rXFx From the above tweet: https://archive.is/FODgb "Rem has the inside track to becoming the face/person most often associated to CGL" Translation: Person who doesn't know the IP, talks about conservatives the same way white segregationists talk about black people (she explicitly used the "but I have a conservative friend," IIRC in the critical rocket interview), and who was (by the evidence we have) the moving force behind expunging everyone from the cgl twitter account / reddit account (which they wrongfully took over) who dared disagree with anything CGL ... and the demo team purges... Gets to be the face to the public at large. PR means nothing to these people. |
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I enjoy level 1 gameplay (pre-clan and little to no star league era tech).
I also enjoy level 2 gameplay (including clan tech and star league era tech). Personally, I just pretend that the end of the FedCom civil war was the end of the battletech chronology and that anything afterwards is just fanfic (sorry Victor, your wife is dead and you will never see your child). I personally feel like the Word of Blake uprising was much akin to what D&D did to their lore when they went from 3.5 to 4 ed.... they carelessly butchered most or all of the beloved characters, the setting and did a pretty big time skip so that they could cleanly make way for follow on 'stuff' (IE: Mechwarrior Dark Age). It ended with a similar result for both companies; a lot of bad blood between the brand and long time fans. I try not to let CGLs bullshit bother me any; they are scavengers preying upon the scrap field that was once a proud Battlemaster and squawking at anyone who gets too close to their ‘treasures’. Ignore them and enjoy the rich setting, lore and gaming books that were left behind. No amount of RETCON or psychotic levels of DEI can erase the already published books that are out there (or on my bookshelf). The only real down side is that we likely will never get good new stories in the setting, and personally I can live comfortably with that. |
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Originally Posted By darkpaladin1: I enjoy level 1 gameplay (pre-clan and little to no star league era tech). I also enjoy level 2 gameplay (including clan tech and star league era tech). Personally, I just pretend that the end of the FedCom civil war was the end of the battletech chronology and that anything afterwards is just fanfic (sorry Victor, your wife is dead and you will never see your child). I personally feel like the Word of Blake uprising was much akin to what D&D did to their lore when they went from 3.5 to 4 ed.... they carelessly butchered most or all of the beloved characters, the setting and did a pretty big time skip so that they could cleanly make way for follow on 'stuff' (IE: Mechwarrior Dark Age). It ended with a similar result for both companies; a lot of bad blood between the brand and long time fans. I try not to let CGLs bullshit bother me any; they are scavengers preying upon the scrap field that was once a proud Battlemaster and squawking at anyone who gets too close to their ‘treasures’. Ignore them and enjoy the rich setting, lore and gaming books that were left behind. No amount of RETCON or psychotic levels of DEI can erase the already published books that are out there (or on my bookshelf). The only real down side is that we likely will never get good new stories in the setting, and personally I can live comfortably with that. View Quote I wonder if anyone runs a 3025 MM server... |
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For those not aware, new milestone release for Megamek/MegaMekLab/MekHQ dropped recently. I really, really enjoy MekHQ and have spent entirely too much time w/ it.
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MechWarriors 5: Clans - Official Reveal Trailer | IGN Live 2024 ' Ok, so I entirely get tht the video games aren't canon, even though parts of them can be canonized. I get that people in the setting are prone to say stuff that's just dumb. I get that the clans and the SJ's in particular are a bunch of hidebound socialistic (officially, it's canon, in the front of IIRC the RPG) eugencist caste - destroy the family unit - warrior led might literally makes moral right societies ... ... but seriously, calling the kuritans fascist? For pete's sake, PGI, stay out of political rhetoric. Fascism: heavy duty revolutionary trade unionism (syndicalism) ... trade unions controlling the means of production by means of strikes, to replace the capitalists with trade unionists. And you combine that with gentile style actualist-idealism philosophy so you wind up with a strongman leader over the unions and eveyrone else. With a big heap of nationalism (preference for ones own nation). All trade unions are organs of the state. Nothing outside of the state, everything inside of it. It's a first cousin of pure socialism (government controls means of production). Are they really willing to say kurita is actualist? I'd be interested to see the position of trade unions in kuritan society. Beyond that, where would the clans even come up with the word and idea of fascism? I read the books, I recall how utterly hidebound they were portrayed to be and how horse basically had to hide his books and keep them from finding out he was reading unapproved content. Which is to say, that was jarring and indicates a lack of knowing the setting. end silly politiwonk blurb. The mechs look cool. |
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To these types of people, that word is just a synonym for "meanies" or any other sort of people they don't like.
I am somewhat looking forward to MW5:C. I enjoyed MW5 after I heavily modded it. We'll see how this one is. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: SNIP View Quote The Kuritas are Feudalist... like most of the other Inner Sphere states (for the most part the only real difference between IS states is their underlying culture). Its kinda a staple of the IP. The Clans are Authoritarian Socialists with a Caste based social system. You would think some people would be creaming themselves to protray the Clans as the good guys. For those same people, anything that they don't like is "Fascist" or "Nazi" without ever really comprehending what the words actualy mean. |
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Boy, does CGL know how to pick out and out racists for authors or what?
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_Bryan_Young https://archive.is/cBLBj |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Boy, does CGL know how to pick out and out racists for authors or what? https://archive.is/lDONd/9c53791a5e23b875a8fc3ddb4bd48874f950f469.jpg https://archive.is/t9l9u/baef5f630b316c60e994869c0c257b8872bc326b.png https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_Bryan_Young https://archive.is/cBLBj View Quote Maybe Stefan Amaris just managed to take over through DEI initiatives. The shitty Camerons were all woke morons and Amaris was just there giving expensive seminars to AWFLs. |
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WHERE do they find these people?
Source link: https://archive.is/M1TWC ------------------------------------------------------ Now for the interesting good:
Supposedly there will be a video of it. |
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I downloaded Megamek recently. I can't believe how much different it looks from the last time I messed with.
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: I downloaded Megamek recently. I can't believe how much different it looks from the last time I messed with. View Quote Yep, it's had some big updates. ------------------------------------- CGL is showing signs of feeling the pinch. https://nitter.poast.org/Eldoniousrex/status/1810792915339194696#m
https://x.com/Eldoniousrex/status/1810792915339194696 Not so long ago they went after the 3d printers on etsy. They are seriously willing to burn goodwill if they are going after people like eldonius. |
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WOW.
Any MPBT 3025 players around? Check this out, but don't lean over your keyboard, the dool will short it out! Multiplayer Battletech 3025 - Emulated This guy got an emulator for the server up and going! We need to find this guy and get the emulator out of him ASAP before he is disappeared, can anyone else find his socials? "Andrew Hassell @razorwing2137" ETA: I don't have linkedin, is this him? https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-hassell |
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Tex Talks Battletech Trailer: The Turning Point at Twycross Well I'm guessing they posted this before the whole thing was rendered and now they're in render hell. I hope they learn the lesson that you don't do this sort of thing until the final product is *finished.* |
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It seems like the asshats at Catalyst are at it again with Blaine Pardoe.
Blain's new blog post Edit to add: Blain has filled legal action against Topps |
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: It seems like the asshats at Catalyst are at it again with Blaine Pardoe. Blain's new blog post Edit to add: Blain has filled legal action against Topps View Quote I just saw that. So basically what we've been told is that topps (they actually own the BT ip, everyone else hold the license from them - thought topps is now owned by fanatics) ... topps has not paid royalties on sales of content that BLP created. BLP says he contacted them and etc and no explanation so the lawsuit got filed. His exact words on that: This opens a number of questions that I am sure many people have. Is it possible that Catalyst simply refused to provide royalty reports to Topps? Does CGL have a role in this? Is there a problem with the calculations of author royalties from the Humble Bundle sales? Have I been singled out for non-payment, or does this affect other legacy authors? Is this a corporation being petty? Is this a poorly conceived public relations stunt on someone’s part? Is this yet another insult inflicted on someone whose politics they are intolerant of? Someone in the link "censorship and omission" posted this as a comment, and I have not been able to verify it: Catalyst is dead. the final straw was when someone pointed to a recent book with… i shit you not…. OMNIGENITALS. September 5, 2024 at 12:58 pm ETA: I'm not sure where I'd exactly draw the line. Some of the CGL content is good stuff. I don't know exactly when the mind rot got into their content. I suspect the current round of filth and rot has a precursor in their allowing illsa bick publish pure sleaze in the novels in the dark age setting. We know BLP was shoved out in 22: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Conservative-author-Cancelled-employer-sided-with-troll-who-threatened-his-life/5-2574136/ I'm not familiar enough with the stuff around that time and now to say when the rot really came in. Minimally when they hired young? First thing I can find from him on the wiki is august of 2020. Illsa was let in the novels and published her gore and perverse (and abuse) sexuality porn some time around 2004. |
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I saw the omnigenitals thing. That is...odd...to say the least.
I didn't think that CGL had anything to do with Dark Age until after WizKids quit doing Mechwarrior Dark Age. I thought they, and FanPro before them, had been told that anything past the WOB Jihad was off-limits to anyone but WizKids. They also couldn't do any new novels, which is why they did all of the sourcebooks and going back and filling things in like the Amaris coup and aftermath. I quit paying attention to what they were doing just before IlClan came out. |
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: I saw the omnigenitals thing. That is...odd...to say the least. I didn't think that CGL had anything to do with Dark Age until after WizKids quit doing Mechwarrior Dark Age. I thought they, and FanPro before them, had been told that anything past the WOB Jihad was off-limits to anyone but WizKids. They also couldn't do any new novels, which is why they did all of the sourcebooks and going back and filling things in like the Amaris coup and aftermath. I quit paying attention to what they were doing just before IlClan came out. View Quote Here's the thing though. I'm pretty sure the actual people involved haven't changed a whole lot. Someone who knows the history more closely could probably give a better outline on it. We keep seeing some of the same names coming up time and again, so I don't view it as a neat clean break between fasa vs ... everyone else. But for those who aren't into cracking open that 55 gallon drum of worms and sorting it out, I guess it can work (sorta). I'm just content to buy second hand and just cherry pick to straight out ignore anything after BLP got pushed out. |
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