[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bear attack (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 1/25/2008 4:52:25 PM EDT
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Suppose you were hunting and all you had was an AR-15 and a rather large bear charges to attack you. All you have is your rifle and a 30 round magazine loaded with 77 grain otm ammunition. If you dumped the whole magazine on the bear do you think you could take him down before he killed you? |
+1. The only way a bullet that small can kill a rather large bear is to wait till he opens his mouth, and then shoot him to take out his spinal cord. Even then its a toss-up. Question: Can you make such a shot as the bear opens his mouth to take a bite out of you, or would you rather wait till he roars at you? |
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If you wait until you realize that an attack is imminent--say when the bear is charging you--there is no way you are going to fire 30 rounds of semi-automatic fire. what you will succeed in doing is making sure that the bear doesn't just knock you down to end the threat--he will kill you--there will be no chance that you are getting by with just a mauling |
Bears aren't made of 1/2" steel plate armor. 30 rounds of .223 is more than enough. Don't believe what you read in hunting mags. A .308 isn't powerful enough for Kudu, Zebra, Eland, or dozens of other African games animals I've killed with a .308 with one shot if I followed the advice of Zumbo and friends. |
Plenty of people have been attacked and mauled by bears and ended up surviving. |
How common are bears in Florida? I know they are there, but how often do you encounter them? |
that is exactly what I am saying--if you piss him off he will DEFINITELY kill you and we are not talking about being able to kill a bear with a ,223--I am sure that is possible (people kill them with arrows) we are talking about stopping an attack--with a .223--not likely--even if it was your friend trying to "shoot the bear off" of you. given the proper motivation a 600-800lb bear can kill you in less time than it took you to read the last 10 words of this post |
No maybe not... with the Bears adrenaline pumping if its a Brown bear...it might take alittle time to die from all the holes..could still kill you first. |
Stats of those who shot Brown bears and didnt kill it have low survival rates...less than those who didnt shoot the bear... |
| I am not sure how the skull thicknesses compare but, I saw a bull shot through the head with a .223, (I believe it was a 55 gr round, but I cant remember for sure). There were no penetration problems. He went down like a rock (He was full grown, and meaner than piss). He was one scary animal ! |
You have been drinking too much. Time to go to bed. One shot from an AR will kill a deer if shot in the right places. I am sure 30 rounds will kill the hell out of any bear. I seriously doubt any brown bear will charge something that is giving it an insane amount of pain. It would be 100% unnatural. |
I would put money on a Kodiak bear charging you if you were filling it full of holes... Hunting it is one thing but stopping a charge is another... |
Dont see any mention of the type of bear in the OP's post. The bear that was shot at are farm was 543lbs I believe. |
If you are hunting in the woods in Brown Bear country armed with an AR15 you must have a death wish to begin with  No seriously, If you are calm & cool enough (And real lucky), and are able to break his legs with the fire you will be ok, But To remain calm & cool as a Brown bear charges you while armed with a 5.56 you must be Chuck Norris! Chuck can Kill a bear with just his stare 
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My bear charge story! www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/16091#Post16091 If all I had in my hand at the time of a charge was an AR15, don't think for a second that I wouldn't "TRY" to defend myself! But I don't think it's the best choice for protection against a bear! - Clint |
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Again, no, a .223 is not very good for bear defence no matter how many bullets it holds. They are unlikely to penetrate deep enough for a quick kill. Having more bullets does not make them penetrate into the vitals. In addition, a bear can cover 50 yds in just a few seconds and they rarely charge from that far awy or further. You will not be getting off more than one or two shots. |
Ever killed a bear? They are tough, but not Superman. Several well placed shots to the chest/head area will kill a bear quickly. Poorly placed shots can still kill but it might take a while and you could be in serious trouble. |
+1 Agreed - Clint |