Posted: 5/27/2004 9:34:03 PM EDT
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Is anybody hearing reports of Berreta 92 jamming problems for the Marines. I have heard several reports that the magazines they use are junk. Some company called Checkmate is making the mags. "Let the hate as long as they fear" |
I can attest to this as fact! I was in Iraq from March 2003 - April 2004. I am a Military Police Officer, and I was issued a SAW, M9 Beretta and two magazines for the Beretta. These were not used magazines, they were brand new in the wrapper. I took the wrapper off myself. I loaded the magazines and immediatly noticed that if I turned the magazine over, a round or two would fall out of the weapon. I took out the springs, stretched them, and put them back in. It seemed all right then. Next day, taking a magazine out of it's pouch, a round fell out again. As I took rounds out of the magazine I noticed that the weight of the bullets was too much for the spring, and the bullets were holding down the follower. I asked around, and every single person in my company, all 120 of us, had the same problems. Out of 240 magazines, all of them failed. We wouldn't even consider using the pistol. One time we had to raid a house, and I was selected as one of the entry team. I told my buddy that it would be wierd being a point man with a SAW. He told me that I could switch to the Beretta and then we both laughed. I ended up using the SAW. I never was able to fire off more than two or three shots with my Beretta the whole year. And ordering your own and using them in theater is not allowed. It is no joke, whoever is responsible for contracting those magazines or whoever makes them should be shot. Edited to add: I don't blame the pistol, I blame the magazines. I used to own a Beretta 96 (.40 caliber) and never had a problem with that one. |
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I have several pre-ban Ramline 92F mags witha 17 rd capacity never a failure. These mags have a flat spring rather than a coil so you can squeeze in 2 more rounds in over the factory. thebeekeeper1: I think Mec-gar is the OEM for the Baretta factory mags, Meg-gar makes mags for a bunch of gun companies. |
| I have several aftermarket mags for my Berreta also. My son in law and myself was out shooting one day. We ran five mags thru it no failures. I read a company called Checkmate is making these mags for the Marines they must be junk. I think I will write my senators tomorrow about this BS. Somebody needs to look into it. The Berreta 92 is a fine handgun. Any semi-automatic handgun will jam with bad mags. |
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I was talking to a SEAL (yes, a real one, as the even numbered teams are here in Virignia Beach). They had similar problems with their P226's. They had some contract mags and the ammo would just fall out because of spring failure. This was told to me well BEFORE OIF. I figured problem was just some guy swapping aftermarket mags for USGI ones (as has been known to happen), but after the M9/Checkmate problems surfaced, well let's just say 2+2=4. It would seem that the Government just went cheap and bought a bunch of junk contract hi-caps for everybody. Ross |
| Before those soldiers deploy to the Middle East, they should definitely stop by the local gunshow and pick up a few extra mags. It is sad, even thought they have to pay for it personally pay for it out their own pocket, but think about it, what's your life worth to you, probably more than the value of a couple of $20 Beretta mags. |