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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:00:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI haven’t seen it, but Sandford wasn’t pleased. Though that may be the typical reaction of authors whose novels are made into movies. I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:08:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dixon Hill  My first thought, actually. 
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:11:10 AM EDT
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I read all of the Travis McGee books in my misspent yuthe.
About 10 years ago I read them again and found them...wanting. McGee was far too distinctive looking, with too many affectations(Miss Agnes) and too flamboyant a lifestyle to have the necessary stealth to hunt who he hunted. He was criminally careless about practicing common sense awareness. And he had a silly aversion to carrying weapons.He paid for it too. He was routinely caught "lackin" and critically injured. Add to that, he got several of his women killed. Some of it was plot driven-which is simply an excuse for poor plotting. Some of it was that MacDonald was a dilettante. He played on his wartime O.S.S. experience, but in truth he was Ordnance, attached to the O.S.S. in the C-B-I theater. Alas for the heroes of youth. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:12:14 AM EDT
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Burke
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:38:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven’t seen it, but Sandford wasn’t pleased. Though that may be the typical reaction of authors whose novels are made into movies. I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. Quote HistoryQuoted: I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. It wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. I actually liked Harmon as Davenport. Aging pretty boy ex jock wearing expensive suits. I think he could have been good if the movie was done better. As a fan of the books, you will likely be disappointed because it certainly doesn’t capture the essence of the world Sandford created. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:47:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best Hard-boiled Detective? If we’re including books, there is no contest: Lucas Davenport. Ding ding ding... we have a winner. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 10:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNick Valentine is awesome. 
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Posted: 4/25/2022 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inspector Tequila. https://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/chow_yun_fat_hard_boiled.jpg This post nails it. Everyone else is weak. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 10:59:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like I need to give those a look. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I read The Long Lavender Look when I was - I would guess - 22, and I was hooked. I read them all, as fast as I find them. I’m pretty sure I’ve read most of them two or three times. John D. McDonald was far and away the best of the schlock crime novelists. The Davenport books are an order of magnitude better. Sounds like I need to give those a look. If you like them, you’ll have reading material for a very long time. The guy is prolific. There are 32 books in the Lucas Davenport series, 12 in the Virgil Flowers series, 4 in the Kidd series, and a several other disassociated cats and dogs. The Davenport character is grim, the Flowers one rather more quirky, and Kidd is just odd. The Davenport and Flowers series are loosely linked. Flowers works for Davenport, pursuing his own cases under Davenport’s loose - very loose - supervision. So characters from both series occasionally show up in the other. Also, the Davenport series began in ‘89 - characters get older, get married, have children, get killed, retire, etc. For this reason, it’s best to read these two series in together in chronological order. For several years, Sanford released a book from both series every year, but he’s recently begun doing a single book each year combining the two sets of characters. Can’t blame him for reducing his workload - he’s damn near 80 and he can’t be worried about keeping a roof over his head or food on his table. Anyway, I’ve really enjoyed his books over the last quarter century, and I hope you will too. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. I actually liked Harmon as Davenport. Aging pretty boy ex jock wearing expensive suits. I think he could have been good if the movie was done better. As a fan of the books, you will likely be disappointed because it certainly doesn’t capture the essence of the world Sandford created. I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PJ is correct. And his adopted daughter Letty isn't far behind. Mike Hammer runs neck and neck. No fucks to give. Sam Spade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Best Hard-boiled Detective? If we're including books, there is no contest: Lucas Davenport. Mike Hammer runs neck and neck. No fucks to give. Sam Spade. If we are going with Mike Hammer, at least post pics. I'd go with Sam Spade or Tequila. 
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:15:17 PM EDT
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Frank Burly
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven’t seen it, but Sandford wasn’t pleased. Though that may be the typical reaction of authors whose novels are made into movies. I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. Quote HistoryQuoted: I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. Eriq Lasalle played Lucas in another prey movie. I used to read all the prey books. I fell off when Lucas changed jobs the second time. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:21:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we are going with Mike Hammer, at least post pics. I'd go with Sam Spade or Tequila. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/bc/f8/d7bcf81394fc75f1baf6b706bb4999f8.jpg  And Darren McGavin as Mike Hammer in one of the tv series.  |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:24:28 PM EDT
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Pick up any Dashiell Hammett novel
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:28:04 PM EDT
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Bogart character in The Maltese Falcon.
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:31:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dave Robicheaux. Cletus Purcel. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eriq Lasalle played Lucas in another prey movie. I used to read all the prey books. I fell off when Lucas changed jobs the second time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will say that Mark Harmon would not have my choice to play Davenport. Eriq Lasalle played Lucas in another prey movie. I used to read all the prey books. I fell off when Lucas changed jobs the second time. I understand your distress. I thought it off putting too. But Sandford had his tit caught in the wringer, a victim of his own success. The city fathers of Minneapolis/Saint Paul were going to run him out of town on a rail if he wrote one more novel about a serial killer in their cities. Davenport needed a larger territory. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:43:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand your distress. I thought it off putting too. But Sandford had his tit caught in the wringer, a victim of his own success. The city fathers of Minneapolis/Saint Paul were going to run him out of town on a rail if he wrote one more novel about a serial killer in their cities. Davenport needed a larger territory. I meant after he left the BCA and started working in politics. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:52:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Burke |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bud White. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 12:59:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I meant after he left the BCA and started working in politics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I understand your distress. I thought it off putting too. But Sandford had his tit caught in the wringer, a victim of his own success. The city fathers of Minneapolis/Saint Paul were going to run him out of town on a rail if he wrote one more novel about a serial killer in their cities. Davenport needed a larger territory. I meant after he left the BCA and started working in politics. Oh, sorry. I remember he did a couple of odd jobs for the governor, but I think he’s with the US Marshalls Service now. I’ll confess, I have a fairly high tolerance for bullshit in the background structure as long as the characters, dialog, and action are are somewhat believable. Have you read any of the Flowers series? The Kidd novels are good too. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:01:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Nick Danger
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:01:38 PM EDT
[#26]
Sam Vimes, Ankh-Morpork city watch!
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:08:19 PM EDT
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Was duckman a detective? Or PI?
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. I actually liked Harmon as Davenport. Aging pretty boy ex jock wearing expensive suits. I think he could have been good if the movie was done better. As a fan of the books, you will likely be disappointed because it certainly doesn’t capture the essence of the world Sandford created. I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. It is always interesting to get others perspectives. Oldman could play any role so he could make it work. I never pictured Nolte as Davenport, his role in 48 Hours and his famous mugshot always makes me think of him as disheveled. With the right wardrobe and grooming maybe he could pull it off. It is an interesting thought. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, sorry. I remember he did a couple of odd jobs for the governor, but I think he’s with the US Marshalls Service now. I’ll confess, I have a fairly high tolerance for bullshit in the background structure as long as the characters, dialog, and action are are somewhat believable. Have you read any of the Flowers series? The Kidd novels are good too. I've read all the Kidd novels. Escape clause was the last Flowers novel I read, and Golden prey was the last davenport novel. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 1:13:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inspector Tequila. https://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/chow_yun_fat_hard_boiled.jpg I mean the movie is literally named Hard Boiled. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 6:38:39 PM EDT
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Jim Cirillo real life.
Dirty Harry Callahan, movies Sledge Hammer, TV Comedy. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 6:51:24 PM EDT
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I've always enjoyed the Nathan Heller books by Max Allan Collins.
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. I actually liked Harmon as Davenport. Aging pretty boy ex jock wearing expensive suits. I think he could have been good if the movie was done better. As a fan of the books, you will likely be disappointed because it certainly doesn’t capture the essence of the world Sandford created. I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. Davenport is a thug with money and some brains. Much like Spenser. Hockey Player and Boxer respectively. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s just a question of before or after they got fired. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you a fan of the genre? Generally, "harboiled detective" characters aren’t cops, they’re PIs. It’s just a question of before or after they got fired. And they've all been offered pussy to do the job for free. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Davenport is a thug with money and some brains. Much like Spenser. Hockey Player and Boxer respectively. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. I actually liked Harmon as Davenport. Aging pretty boy ex jock wearing expensive suits. I think he could have been good if the movie was done better. As a fan of the books, you will likely be disappointed because it certainly doesn’t capture the essence of the world Sandford created. I’m not looking for a fight or to prevail in an argument, and I like Harmon just fine as an actor. Further, you are spot on, in that both Harmon the actor and Davenport the character are both aging ex-jocks wearing good suits. The difference - and this is defining - Harmon is, as you say, a pretty boy and Davenport is assuredly not. His appearance is striking rather than conventionally handsome and he has learned not to smile at strangers because it tends to scare them. He looks like what he is: an apex predator. Acting talent aside, Harmon was totally miscast in this role on visual appearance, alone. It was like casting me to play a former Miss America. No one would believe that shit. ETA: I’ve idly wondered for years about who should have played the Davenport character. It finally occurred to me: a forties Nick Nolte with makeup for slightly darker skin-tones, a full head of dark hair, two inch lifts, and a whole lot of coaching from Charles Bronson. Or maybe Gary Oldman. That guy could convince me he was the Virgin Mary. Davenport is a thug with money and some brains. Much like Spenser. Hockey Player and Boxer respectively. Jenkins and Shrake are the designated thugs. Davenport is a cut above. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 8:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Davenport is a thug with money and some brains. Much like Spenser. Hockey Player and Boxer respectively. I don’t see either Davenport or Spenser as a thug, per se. In the Davenport series, as another member has said, that role was ably filled by Jenkins and Shrake. Davenport was, and remains a hunter. In the Spenser novels and the television show Hawk claims the thug role for himself. Spenser is, like Travis McGee, a quixotic righter of wrongs, more often than not. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 8:54:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Det.Sgt Lt Franl Drebin
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Posted: 4/25/2022 8:57:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1-great supporting characters like Max the Silent, Wesley, and the Prof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Burke And Pansy. Can’t forget Pansy. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:00:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jim Cirillo real life. Dirty Harry Callahan, movies Sledge Hammer, TV Comedy. Cirillo was, like some of the fictional characters mentioned here, a hunter. The difference being, he was mostly an ambush hunter. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 9:01:58 PM EDT
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Modern, but I liked it.
Writer has to be a member here.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ding ding ding... we have a winner. That Fuckin Flowers |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 7:27:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 7:30:27 PM EDT
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I can't believe that I forgot to mention "Reckless" by Brubaker/Phillips. They really nail the feel of early '80s and explain the legwork of a pre-internet P.I.
 The Criminal series is also excellent. Hollywood could do worse than adapting their work to film... |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 7:50:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 7:50:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2022 9:24:47 AM EDT
[#46]
Definatley NOT Queen-Size Latifa as the Equalizer!
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Posted: 5/10/2022 9:36:48 AM EDT
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Luther Gillis
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Posted: 5/10/2022 9:43:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2022 9:45:15 AM EDT
[#49]
Harry, Dirty
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Posted: 5/10/2022 9:56:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cirillo was, like some of the fictional characters mentioned here, a hunter. The difference being, he was mostly an ambush hunter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jim Cirillo real life. Dirty Harry Callahan, movies Sledge Hammer, TV Comedy. Cirillo was, like some of the fictional characters mentioned here, a hunter. The difference being, he was mostly an ambush hunter. Patrol, Firearms Instructor, NYPD Stakeout, back to patrol when SOU was clipped for being "Racist Assassins". |
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