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12/28/2012 4:00:38 PM EDT
How long do you think it will be before we see ammo availability & pricing come back down to earth?  Specifically .223/5.56.  I wasn't around during the last "panic", and I have no idea if I should overpay now or wait it out.  Any feedback would be much appreciated.
12/28/2012 2:40:49 PM EDT
[#1]
That's a good question, I would like to know the answer also
12/28/2012 3:16:43 PM EDT
[#2]
id say atleast a full 9 months til pricing comes back down to near pre-panic levels. ammo is way up right now, and with the tons of backorders wont come down anytime soon. just keep a look out for deals that pop up. and jump on a  $350-400 1000 round decent brass case.

Or you could buy from cheaper than dirt's $1000 for 1000 round M855 case and give them a head start on their ferrari financing
12/28/2012 3:54:16 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm with ya... give it a few months and everything will calm down and there will be a flood of cheap parts due to cc bills etc...

then we live the life again
12/28/2012 4:01:24 PM EDT
[#4]
87 days.
12/28/2012 4:03:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.
12/28/2012 4:03:54 PM EDT
[#6]
2 years minimum
12/28/2012 4:05:04 PM EDT
[#7]
About a year, I'd say.  Depends on how much traction Feinstein's bill gets in the Senate.



It won't go anywhere in the House, but people will still freak out if the Senate passes a version of it, thus keeping prices high until it becomes obvious to everyone the bill is dead.
12/28/2012 4:08:35 PM EDT
[#8]
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Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.


Not sure I'm buying into this one.  Politicians would have an impossible task to prove (or even suggest) that taxing ammo would somehow lower gun crime.....  And that is their PR go-to, right?
12/28/2012 4:10:01 PM EDT
[#9]
If this blows over you will see that shit go down fast, but until the then you will not see it go down much, I don't think there is one manufacture that can keep up with a full blown gun panic in America.
12/28/2012 4:14:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Maybe a follow up question......... How did ammo prices react during the last ban?  Did they go up, down, or stay the same post ban?  I only ask because logically, you would think that prices would go down during a ban because demand would be lower (less guns moving into circulation = less overall demand).  Personally, I don't think we're going to see another AWB anway, but that's another discussion I suppose.

Anyway...... I guess this whole ammo thing just makes me scratch my head.  I can understand (kind of ) the run on magazines, because I think there's a legit chance we'll soon see restrictions on "high capacity" mags.  So naturally, the instinct is to get 'em while you can.  But the ammo situation doesn't add up.  It's not like ammo is going away.  Am I missing something?
12/28/2012 4:14:36 PM EDT
[#11]
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Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.


Not sure I'm buying into this one.  Politicians would have an impossible task to prove (or even suggest) that taxing ammo would somehow lower gun crime.....  And that is their PR go-to, right?


Cook County, Chicago.  Already in queue.

12/28/2012 4:15:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Never be the same again.
12/28/2012 4:19:37 PM EDT
[#13]
private sales will drop in price at about the time retailers like Wallyworld start going up...that's when you'll have sub-$500 AR's FTF..

panic will be short-lived due to antis biting off more than they can chew. the feinstein and similar bills are just full retard and what people are seeing now is just a media circlejerk

economic news will overshadow all this crap at about tax time

i give it two months then a buyer's paradise
12/28/2012 4:20:04 PM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:


Maybe a follow up question......... How did ammo prices react during the last ban?  Did they go up, down, or stay the same post ban?  I only ask because logically, you would think that prices would go down during a ban because demand would be lower (less guns moving into circulation = less overall demand).  Personally, I don't think we're going to see another AWB.



Anyway...... I guess this whole ammo thing just makes me scratch my head.  I can understand (kind of ) the run on magazines, because I think there's a legit chance we'll soon see restrictions on "high capacity" mags.  So naturally, the instinct is to get 'em while you can.  But the ammo situation doesn't add up.  It's not like ammo is going away.  Am I missing something?


From what I remember, ammo wasn't an issue back then.  Prices for pre-ban rifles skyrocketed before the ban and stayed high throughout the ban, prices for factory hi-cap mags for pistols (especially Glocks) were mind-boggling, and prices of most semi-autos (even the Mini-14) were elevated for a while.



Once the manufacturers starting churning out post-ban ARs things got more sensible.  Oddly enough, AR mags never got too bad because the law allowed for importation of mags.  The market was flooded with milsurp M-16 mags before the ban was a year old, so they never got outrageous.



 
12/28/2012 4:20:43 PM EDT
[#15]
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Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.


Not sure I'm buying into this one.  Politicians would have an impossible task to prove (or even suggest) that taxing ammo would somehow lower gun crime.....  And that is their PR go-to, right?


Cook County, Chicago.  Already in queue.



Yeah, but you're talking about Chicago.  They've always been an outlier in terms of strict gun control.  Heck, if I'm not mistaken, Cook County went as far as litigation against gun manufacturers not too long ago.  It should also be noted that a federal judge recently found some of their laws unconstitutional.  Oh...... And the 500th gun homicide was reported in Chicago the other day....... Feinstien is going to have a hard time explaining the effectiveness of her current regulations before she has any talking points for further action........
12/28/2012 4:21:10 PM EDT
[#16]



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private sales will drop in price at about the time retailers like Wallyworld start going up...that's when you'll have sub-$500 AR's FTF..



panic will be short-lived due to antis biting off more than they can chew. the feinstein and similar bills are just full retard and what people are seeing now is just a media circlejerk



economic news will overshadow all this crap at about tax time



i give it two months then a buyer's paradise


I noticed today that virtually all the front page political stories were about the fiscal cliff.  It's almost as if the MSM knows the bill isn't going anywhere and so they're off on their next crusade.



 
12/28/2012 4:27:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Maybe a follow up question......... How did ammo prices react during the last ban?  Did they go up, down, or stay the same post ban?  I only ask because logically, you would think that prices would go down during a ban because demand would be lower (less guns moving into circulation = less overall demand).  Personally, I don't think we're going to see another AWB anway, but that's another discussion I suppose.

Anyway...... I guess this whole ammo thing just makes me scratch my head.  I can understand (kind of ) the run on magazines, because I think there's a legit chance we'll soon see restrictions on "high capacity" mags.  So naturally, the instinct is to get 'em while you can.  But the ammo situation doesn't add up.  It's not like ammo is going away.  Am I missing something?


other than members of arfcom,the panic buyers right now are first-timers and reformed libs..the end-of-the-world phenomenon has leaked down to the people who didn't have much sense to begin with,and they all have plastic
i've been contacted recently by a swarm of my yankee retard relatives who think a wasr for $1000 is a good deal. judging by some of these threads you ppl are seeing the same thing

12/28/2012 4:27:21 PM EDT
[#18]
It's worth a laugh though. I was looking on Gunbroker last night and found a kit gun on an plastic lower for $1400. Best part was it has 18 bids and 2 days to go!
12/28/2012 4:35:49 PM EDT
[#19]
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Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.


Not sure I'm buying into this one.  Politicians would have an impossible task to prove (or even suggest) that taxing ammo would somehow lower gun crime.....  And that is their PR go-to, right?


Cook County, Chicago.  Already in queue.



Yeah, but you're talking about Chicago.  They've always been an outlier in terms of strict gun control.  Heck, if I'm not mistaken, Cook County went as far as litigation against gun manufacturers not too long ago.  It should also be noted that a federal judge recently found some of their laws unconstitutional.  Oh...... And the 500th gun homicide was reported in Chicago the other day....... Feinstien is going to have a hard time explaining the effectiveness of her current regulations before she has any talking points for further action........


You're preachin' to the choir brother- and I hope you are correct, but I have lost faith right now.  I have a hard time thinkin' this situation is going anywhere but a spin straight down.  SCOTUS trumps "federal judge" and they are already left leaning as proven by "Obamacare"- and worse to come after Zero's assumed appointments in the future.  

Some good news would be really cool right about now.
12/28/2012 4:36:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Never.

Zero is going to get his way, everything else will be going up in price to match the ammo, & the dollar will be worthless.
12/28/2012 4:44:02 PM EDT
[#21]
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Never.  Tax legislation to follow passing of Fineswine's AWB.  It's over people.


Not sure I'm buying into this one.  Politicians would have an impossible task to prove (or even suggest) that taxing ammo would somehow lower gun crime.....  And that is their PR go-to, right?


Cook County, Chicago.  Already in queue.



Yeah, but you're talking about Chicago.  They've always been an outlier in terms of strict gun control.  Heck, if I'm not mistaken, Cook County went as far as litigation against gun manufacturers not too long ago.  It should also be noted that a federal judge recently found some of their laws unconstitutional.  Oh...... And the 500th gun homicide was reported in Chicago the other day....... Feinstien is going to have a hard time explaining the effectiveness of her current regulations before she has any talking points for further action........


You're preachin' to the choir brother- and I hope you are correct, but I have lost faith right now.  I have a hard time thinkin' this situation is going anywhere but a spin straight down.  SCOTUS trumps "federal judge" and they are already left leaning as proven by "Obamacare"- and worse to come after Zero's assumed appointments in the future.  

Some good news would be really cool right about now.


Keep your head up!    Trust me, I'm usually a glass half empty guy.  But at some point logic is going to win out in this one IMHO.  At least, that's what I'll keep telling myself.........
12/28/2012 4:46:51 PM EDT
[#22]
ummm, 2 days

that's my guess. 2 days
12/28/2012 4:48:49 PM EDT
[#23]
The pre-panic people started it all.  The panic people are keeping it going.  The post-panic people are waiting to pile on once the pre-panic and panic people fizzle out.  After the post-panic people are done, that's when I start my panic buying.
12/28/2012 4:49:12 PM EDT
[#24]
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ummm, 2 days

that's my guess. 2 days


There's always one in every crowd........
12/28/2012 4:52:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
How long do you think it will be before we see ammo availability & pricing come back down to earth?  Specifically .223/5.56.  I wasn't around during the last "panic", and I have no idea if I should overpay now or wait it out.  Any feedback would be much appreciated.


I think it depends on how long the Dems beat the AWB drum.
12/28/2012 4:59:31 PM EDT
[#26]
I hope it comes down in less than 2 years, because I only have enough for 3 years of regular range trips.



12/28/2012 5:02:45 PM EDT
[#27]
2017
12/28/2012 5:39:05 PM EDT
[#28]
May not matter much if they go over the cliff.  Then the anti-gun people will want you with your bad assault rifle to protect them and their property and provide them nourishment by the way of food.  When everyone who has become dependent on the government gets thrown to the curb like trash, what will their recourse be?  They will not be able to hunt for their own food and many of us can sit back and reflect.