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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:34:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:41:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Big news!
A Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel has sailed through the Taiwan Strait for the first time, a source familiar with the matter said Thursday, in an apparent challenge to China's growing military assertiveness in the region. The destroyer Sazanami, along with Australian and New Zealand vessels, conducted the transit on Wednesday in the narrow waterway between China and Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China claims as its own territory, according to the source. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2024/09/f2aefb85d27d-urgent-japan-defense-force-ship-sails-through-taiwan-strait-for-1st-time.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Big news!
A Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel has sailed through the Taiwan Strait for the first time, a source familiar with the matter said Thursday, in an apparent challenge to China's growing military assertiveness in the region. The destroyer Sazanami, along with Australian and New Zealand vessels, conducted the transit on Wednesday in the narrow waterway between China and Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China claims as its own territory, according to the source. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2024/09/f2aefb85d27d-urgent-japan-defense-force-ship-sails-through-taiwan-strait-for-1st-time.html LOL I just signed on to post this!!  Outstanding, my Brother!!! I'm going to post it anyway as there are some details that are not in the previous story: Japanese destroyer transits Taiwan for 1st time in message to China TAIPEI (Taiwan News) A Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) frigate transited the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday (Sept. 25) in response to a Chinese violation of Japan's airspace. The Japanese destroyer JS Sazanami's passage through the Taiwan Strait marked the first in the history of the JMSDF. The warship's appearance in the strait is reportedly in response to a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft's incursion into Japanese airspace in August. According to a report by Yomiuri Shimbun, multiple Japanese government sources revealed that Prime Minister Kishida Fumio had ordered the maneuver out of concern that inaction after China's incursion into Japanese territory would embolden Beijing. The JS Sazanami began its passage through the Taiwan Strait from the East China Sea side on Wednesday morning, sailing south for over 10 hours and completing the passage through the Taiwan Strait by the evening. The narrowest part of the Taiwan Strait is approximately 130 kilometers wide. According to internationally recognized standards, territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles (about 22 kilometers) from a nation's baseline. Countries like the US consider the Taiwan Strait as international waters, not part of any country's territorial sea. However, China opposes referring to the Taiwan Strait as international waters, and successive Japanese governments, mindful of Beijing's reaction, had previously avoided sending JMSDF vessels through the strait. Before this, Japan's Coast Guard vessels had occasionally remained in the high seas of the Taiwan Strait to avoid typhoons but had not passed through the strait. To assert "freedom of navigation," the US, Canada, and other nations have regularly sent ships to transit the Taiwan Strait. In September, a German warship passsed through the Taiwan Strait for the first time in 22 years. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 11:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2024-09-25/japan-territory-china-russia-15296087.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2024-09-25/japan-territory-china-russia-15296087.html A Russian IL-38 reconnaissance aircraft entered Japanese airspace three times on Monday, prompting Tokyo to scramble fighter jets to intercept and ultimately warn off the aircraft with flares. It was the latest in a series of incursions that began with a Chinese Y-9 surveillance aircraft's brief entry into Japanese airspace on Aug. 26. Five days later, a Chinese survey vessel entered Japan's territorial waters near Kagoshima prefecture. On Sept. 6, four Chinese coast guard vessels crossed the 12-mile territorial limit claimed by Japan around the Senkaku Islands. A pair of Russian Tu-124 patrol aircraft also circled Japan's four main islands the first such patrol in five years flying from Okinawa in the south to Hokkaido in the north, Japan's Joint Staff said in a Sept. 13 statement. They did not cross into Japanese airspace, but did fly over northern territories that are disputed between Tokyo and Moscow. A joint fleet of Chinese and Russian ships entered the Sea of Okhotsk, separated from the Sea of Japan by Russia's Sakhalin Island and Japan's northernmost island of Hokkaido, as part of exercise Beibu/Interaction 2024, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a news release Tuesday. Russian ships include the destroyers Admiral Panteleyev and Admiral Tributs, corvettes MPK-82 and MPK-107, and the monitor Smerch. Chinese ships include the destroyers Xining and Wuxi, the frigate Lin Yi and supply ship Taihu, according to the ministry. While the exercises aren't necessarily intended as warnings or messages to Tokyo, they are worrisome, said Greg Poling, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic International Studies. "The exercises in the Sea of Okhotsk and Sea of Japan are a sign of the growing security cooperation between Russia and China," Poling, who directs the CSIS Southeast Asia Program, told Stars and Stripes by email Wednesday. "That is worrying on a lot of fronts, including for Japan which has territorial and maritime disputes with both." President Biden, the Col. Crittendon of Presidents, casually destroyed that five decades of costly effort. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 11:13:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Stuff like this begs the question of why are four Chinese Coast Guard ships crossing another Country's territorial water limit with without being called in for a rescue or a recovery. Again, that's without being called in. In red, this is one of the aspects of American foreign policy that was systematically reduced to nothing. The entire purpose of the Nixon/Kissenger entrent and entent with the PRC was to separate them from the USSR. It was kept as policy to make sure the PRC didn't become an ally of the Russian Federation. President Biden, the Col. Crittendon of Presidents, casually destroyed that five decades of costly effort. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/09/26/world/russia-war-drones-project-china/ |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 1:50:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/09/26/world/russia-war-drones-project-china/ I love this part of the story: The rocket was sponsored by the children's nutrition brand Inne, according to Expace. The launches were China's 42nd and 43rd of the year. Is there a part of Chinese society that is not involved with the PLA? I'm just going to grab the quotes that tell the story without adding extra detail as one can read that for oneself! Let's get to Carmel's Story: Russia has established a weapons program in China to develop and produce long-range attack drones for use in the war against Ukraine, according to two sources from a European intelligence agency and documents reviewed by Reuters. Kupol, Almaz-Antey and the Russian defense ministry did not respond to requests for comment for this article. China's foreign ministry said it was not aware of such a project, adding that Beijing had strict control measures on the export of drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). Please stand by for one of the Top 10 Understatements of the Year: Fabian Hinz, a research fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a London-based defense think-tank, said the delivery of UAVs from China to Russia, if confirmed, would be a significant development. The White House National Security Council said it was deeply concerned by the report of the drones program, which it said appeared to be an instance of a Chinese company providing lethal assistance to a U.S.-sanctioned Russian firm. The White House has not seen anything to suggest the Chinese government was aware of the transactions involved, but China has a responsibility to ensure companies aren't providing lethal aid to Russia for use by its military, a spokesperson added. Oh wait...before we move to more important things: Asked about the report, a NATO spokesperson said via email: "These reports are deeply concerning and Allies are consulting on this matter." Kupol has taken delivery of seven military drones made in China, including two G3s, at its headquarters in the Russian city of Izhevsk, according to the two separate documents reviewed by Reuters, which are invoices sent to Kupol in the summer by a Russian firm that the two European intelligence sources said serves as an intermediary with Chinese suppliers. The invoices, one of which requests payment in Chinese yuan, do not specify delivery dates or identify the suppliers in China. The two intelligence sources said the delivery of the sample drones to Kupol was the first concrete evidence their agency had found of whole UAVs manufactured in China being delivered to Russia since the Ukraine war began in February 2022. Beijing has repeatedly denied that China or Chinese companies have supplied Russia with weapons for use in Ukraine, saying the country remains neutral. In response to questions for this article, the foreign ministry said that China's position presented a contrast with other nations with "double standards on arms sales" whom it said had "added fuel to the flames of the Ukrainian crisis." The ministry said earlier this month that there were no international restrictions on China's trade with Russia, when responding to a report that Kupol had started to produce the Garpiya-A1 long-range military drone in Russia using Chinese engines and parts. David Albright, a former U.N. weapons inspector who heads the Institute for Science and International Security research group, and has conducted extensive work on Chinese and Russian cooperation on drone production, said Kupol could skirt Western sanctions on Russia by setting up a production facility in China where it could access advanced chips and expertise. But Bendett at the Center for a New American Security said Beijing had reason to tread carefully: "For a factory to exist officially that builds UAVs for the Russians exposes China to some of the more severe effects of the sanctions, so it's not clear the extent to which China would be willing to expose itself." Since then, the Biden-Harris Admin by withdrawing American crude from the World's supply have driven up the price of crude. The Russian Rubble is in better shape now than before the War. When the Russians invaded, I believe the Ruble was about 81 to $1. At today's close, it is 92.25 to $1. In the last year, the Ruble was never lower than 85 to $1. The Russians have been selling their crude at below market price as well and selling it to all kinds of friends and foes to the US alike, and the Biden-Harris Admin has turned a blind eye to it. Russian Weapons programs in China would also never be seen by them. Unless!!!! Unless, we get a big balloon and float it over to China and take a peek!!!! ETA: 29SEP24 I made a mistake!!! In my exuberance!!! And Thanks to CapedCrusader for correcting me in post 15, page 51: Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: One minor correction. If they need to spend more rubles to buy a dollar then that means the ruble is weaker. So the ruble is not in better shape than before the war. But thanks for maintaining the thread. Know that a bunch of us are reading even though we don't post much. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 1:53:47 AM EDT
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Here's a follow up to the story originally posted by GoldMead:
Australian, New Zealand naval vessels pass through Taiwan Strait The Japanese destroyer JS Sazanami's passage through the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday marked the first in the history of the JMSDF. That same day, a missile destroyer of the Royal Australian Navy, the HMAS Sydney (DDG 42), and the supply ship HMNZS Endeavour (A11) of the Royal New Zealand Navy navigated from north to south, per RW News. This is the first time Australian and New Zealand naval vessels have transited the Taiwan Strait together, following the first voyage of a German warship through the strait in 22 years. The German Navy frigate Baden-W rttemberg (F222) passed through the Taiwan Strait on Sept. 13, with its Automatic Identification System (AIS) activated, allowing the world to track its movements. However, the Australian and New Zealand warships seemingly did not activate their AIS, making it difficult to determine their exact speed and location. W News cited sources as saying the Royal Australian Navy missile destroyer entered the northern entrance of the Taiwan Strait Wednesday afternoon, followed by transit through the strait, sailing east of the median line. The People's Liberation Army Navy had already dispatched five naval vessels in the morning to monitor the area, positioned both west and east of the median line. Once the Royal New Zealand Navy ship entered the strait, the five Chinese warships reportedly surrounded the Australian and New Zealand vessels, conducting close surveillance. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 1:59:46 AM EDT
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Here we go...SCORE CARD!!!!!!!!!
Taiwan tracks 43 Chinese military aircraft and 8 ships Single day highest total is 46 from way back in the early Summer with Joint Sword-2024. It's the typical number of PLAN, and it's looking like the reasons we posted for the 6 to 8 ships typically are probably correct. TAIPEI (Taiwan News) The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 43 Chinese military aircraft and eight naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. Wednesday (Sept. 25) and 6 a.m. Thursday (Sept. 26). Of the 43 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 34 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line and entered the southwestern and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND. These included fighter jets, drones, and helicopters.  Attached FileSo far this month, the MND has tracked 366 Chinese military aircraft and 200 ships. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 1:32:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2024 3:23:36 PM EDT
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The US did receive advance notice of Chinas ICBM launch and Japan did not.
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Posted: 9/26/2024 5:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Yet the US refused to allow South Korea to bid on the new John Lewis class fleet replenishment oiler's. South Korea said they could build them for half the cost and deliver them in half the time as GD NASSCO who got the contract. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.wsj.com/video/the-worlds-largest-shipyard-is-helping-the-us-catch-up-to-china-navy/326F7508-C363-45D8-A72E-1AD8F579C1E9 Yet the US refused to allow South Korea to bid on the new John Lewis class fleet replenishment oiler's. South Korea said they could build them for half the cost and deliver them in half the time as GD NASSCO who got the contract. The video points out that US law prevents it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 6:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3280097/chinas-icbm-test-sign-pla-rocket-force-stands-ready-despite-corruption-scandals Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3280097/chinas-icbm-test-sign-pla-rocket-force-stands-ready-despite-corruption-scandals China's ICBM test a sign PLA Rocket Force stands ready despite corruption scandals Analysts say ballistic missile launch may be aimed at proving 'credibility' and combat ability of PLA division swept up in anti-graft probe China's intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) test shows its missile capabilities and the combat readiness of its rocket force despite a recent corruption scandal, according to analysts. On Wednesday, China's defence ministry said the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force conducted a missile test with an ICBM carrying a dummy warhead, which flew over the Pacific Ocean the first reported launch by Beijing in 44 years. Beijing has not disclosed the trajectory and target of the missile, but based on navigational warnings and a Notice to Airmen, the ICBM was fired from the southern island province of Hainan and flew around 12,000km (7,456 miles) towards the southern Pacific Ocean, passing near the northern Philippines and Guam. The missile fell near French Polynesia's exclusive economic zone near the Marquesas Islands, according to Agence France-Presse, citing French Polynesian President Moetai Brotherson. China tests ICBM that could reach the US mainland with launch into Pacific Ocean and all I could get from behind that paywall was this: The People's Liberation Army launched its first known intercontinental ballistic missile test in 44 years on Wednesday morning, sending an ICBM into the Pacific Ocean, according to the Chinese defence ministry. China's latest known ICBM is the DF-41, which first came into service in 2017 and has an operational range of up to 12,000-15,000km (7,460-9,320 miles), capable of reaching the US mainland. An ICBM typically has a range greater than 5,500km (3,420 miles) and is designed to carry nuclear warheads. We American types have the Pacific Missile Range "station or facility" I can't remember, and it's run by the Navy, I'm almost positive, but don't quote me! This is how professionals do it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 6:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: The video points out that US law prevents it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.wsj.com/video/the-worlds-largest-shipyard-is-helping-the-us-catch-up-to-china-navy/326F7508-C363-45D8-A72E-1AD8F579C1E9 Yet the US refused to allow South Korea to bid on the new John Lewis class fleet replenishment oiler's. South Korea said they could build them for half the cost and deliver them in half the time as GD NASSCO who got the contract. The video points out that US law prevents it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 6:52:17 PM EDT
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More Agitation and Propaganda (agitprop) news to consider for you entertainment!!
Here's a story about another KMT politician: Kaohsiung councilor dissapears before prosecutors search home TAIPEI (Taiwan News) Neighbors of missing Kaohsiung City Councilor Huang Shao-ting ( ) said they saw their local representative hurriedly leave his residence with a suitcase in hand on Thursday morning (Sept. 26) before prosecutors launched searches as part of a corruption investigation. Huang is being investigated for fraudulently claiming fees for assistants, and his whereabouts were still unknown as of press time, per CNA. Huang's residence, offices, and eight other locations were searched, while 17 people, including the councilor's mother, were brought in for questioning. Neighbors of Huang told CNA they saw the councilor leave his home at 6 a.m. with luggage and rush into a taxi. They said they were puzzled at this sight, but things became clear when investigators arrived soon after. Huang reportedly turned off his cell phone after prosecutors and reporters made attempts to contact him. Prosecutors issued a public message to Huang asking him to cooperate with the investigation. Huang's Kuomintang issued a statement on Thursday afternoon asking the public to refrain from excessive speculation. Meanwhile, Kaohsiung Mayor Chen Chi-mai ( ) expressed hope that prosecutors would be able to clarify the facts of the case. Now, this next story is from a think tank that was started by George Mitchell, and for those of you that are old enough, yes, this is the same George Mitchell, author of the Mitchell Plan that is still with us today 35 years later. I read what's on their website to get a sense of it all. They really don't come out and say they're "pro" anyone or anything, but you can tell who and what they're against. You'll be able to guess one of them even after downing a bottle of Jack! Anyhoo, they produced a long report with a very long Executive Summary because they wanted to make sure you "think" the correct thoughts. This is the report: The Widening Schism across the Taiwan Strait You can guess whose fault it is from the comfort of your own chair, but let's do the news story anyway: Taiwan president should tone down China rhetoric, think tank says International Crisis Center report argues Tsai Ing-wen offered more flexibility than Lai ching-te TAIPEI (Taiwan News) Taiwan President Lai Ching-te ( ) should reduce public affirmations of Taiwan's sovereignty as they inflame tensions with Beijing and do little to advance the nation's actual de-facto sovereignty, according to a report from the International Crisis Group published on Thursday (Sept. 26). The report from the Brussels and Taipei-based researchers urged Lai to return to a more moderate cross-strait stance that is closer to his predecessor Tsai Ing-wen ( ), even if it does not change China's point of view. It said this should be done because Tsai's policy created space for future negotiations, won international support, and reduced cross-strait tensions, while Lai's has angered Beijing with little gain. The researchers noted that Beijing did not reciprocate Tsai's more moderate position on China when she was in office. "But it was very much Tsai's measured steadiness in the face of Chinese aggression that won her administration unprecedented levels of foreign support, creating more strategic space for Taiwan in the process," the report said. "The Lai administration also ought to balance its shows of resolve by consistently affirming that cross-strait relations will be conducted in accordance with the constitution and the Cross-Strait Act; Lai should himself reaffirm this formulation," it said. This formula was described by Tsai in January, when she told Lai (then vice president) also adhered to it. Well, actually there's this from the report: In his 20 May inauguration speech, Lai was explicit about the DPP's position that Taiwan is a "sovereign independent nation" that is separate from China, without gesturing to Beijing's position to the contrary. III. Mixed Messaging from China Pre-inauguration Based on interviews with Taiwanese and Chinese scholars, officials, and other sources, the report argued that cross-strait relations based on this formula provide a beneficial ambiguity. It said this ambiguity allows Beijing to claim "one China," and for Taiwan to claim sovereignty has not been ceded. For many Taiwanese, the notion of "one China" is seen as "detached from reality," the report said. However, it reasoned that because the Republic of China (ROC) constitution and the cross-strait act are two of the few Taiwan institutions that still retain this concept, they give Taiwan's leaders room to negotiate with Beijing should the need arise, and create justification for why unification through force is unnecessary. Lai Ching-te has said he will not formally declare Taiwan independent, and the report noted he said he will not provoke China. However, it also said that Lai's rhetoric on China, which has led to him being name-checked by Beijing multiple times, reduces space for future de-escalation. Taiwan's leaders should only make "occasional and measured" public affirmations about sovereignty, the report said. "Lai may consider them important for setting the record straight, but they have limited impact in actually maintaining the foundation on which Taiwan's de facto sovereignty stands." The report also highlighted that Lai labeled China as a challenge to the peace of Taiwan and the world in his inaugural speech, which researchers suggested may have caught Beijing off guard. It said Tsai did not "name and shame" China in her inaugural speeches. In addition to basing cross-strait relations on Tsai's formula, the report also recommends Taiwan strengthen its international partnerships, energy security, and defense reforms to improve national security. The report also urged Beijing to "curb inflammatory rhetoric" and use more flexible language to describe Taiwan, as it did before Lai's inauguration. It also said China should curb the significant increase in military activities around Taiwan that have occurred since Lai's inauguration. If China reduced the number of aircraft that cross Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone's median line it would also reduce tensions, the report said. It noted that public displays of military force reduce Taiwanese trust in Beijing, and "clearly undermine China's goal of peaceful unification." Now, you guys don't have to read the actual report containing this drivel. You're welcome!!! Last one is some good news...which is few and far between: G7 backs Taiwan's international participation (as I posted...a long time ago, this is what Taiwan needs to do. In the end, it may only expose the hypocrisy of the World's elite, but it's worth taking on in any event.) TAIPEI (Taiwan News) G7 member nations reiterated their support for Taiwan's international participation in a joint statement issued on Tuesday (Sept. 24). During a high-level UN General Assembly meeting, the Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the US, and the EU welcomed Taiwan's inclusion in global organizations "where statehood is not a prerequisite and as an observer or guest where it is." They also said maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait is imperative for global security and prosperity and called for a peaceful resolution to cross-strait issues. The leaders expressed concern over developments in the East and South China Seas and opposed unilateral changes to the status quo. They rejected China's militarization and intimidation in the South China Sea and said there is no legal basis for China's claims in the region. The joint statement stressed the importance of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and highlighted its role as a legal framework for international maritime activities. Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) thanked G7 for its unwavering support for the country's international participation and peace in the Taiwan Strait. Taiwan will continue to work with G7 member states and like-minded countries to uphold global peace, stability, and prosperity, it said. Since the UN General Assembly began, multiple diplomatic allies have spoken up for Taiwan's inclusion in the UN system. ETA: I misspelled modal. Dur!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 7:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Even so, something like that is at best a catchup and not viable plan going forward. Everyone focuses on chips, but over 90% of the world's shipbuilding capacity is spread between China, Japan, and Korea, and thus likely goes offline on D+1 of any hypothetical conflict. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.wsj.com/video/the-worlds-largest-shipyard-is-helping-the-us-catch-up-to-china-navy/326F7508-C363-45D8-A72E-1AD8F579C1E9 Yet the US refused to allow South Korea to bid on the new John Lewis class fleet replenishment oiler's. South Korea said they could build them for half the cost and deliver them in half the time as GD NASSCO who got the contract. The video points out that US law prevents it. I don't disagree. They need to change that law (at least for a while), but no whining when people complain that even our warships are made overseas, followed by by people calling for our warships to be built in America. It's a pickle. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 7:49:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: We American types have the Pacific Missile Range "station or facility" I can't remember, and it's run by the Navy, I'm almost positive, but don't quote me! This is how professionals do it. The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I’ve ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA’s in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 7:50:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I’ve ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA’s in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. @Zoinks Family Matters Deja Vu! Damn if that doesn’t get to so many of us, |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 8:12:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: @Zoinks Family Matters Deja Vu! Damn if that doesn’t get to so many of us, It’s obvious you two know each other. Are you related? Yes it does get so many of us. I was at the peak of my career and shit happened where I had to decide to take care of someone or carry on with my career. Life’s a bitch sometimes. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 8:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: It’s obvious you two know each other. Are you related? Yes it does get so many of us. I was at the peak of my career and shit happened where I had to decide to take care of someone or carry on with my career. Life’s a bitch sometimes. Yeah we go back more than 30 years - around the Desert Storm era Yes it is |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 8:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I’ve ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA’s in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By zoinks: We American types have the Pacific Missile Range "station or facility" I can't remember, and it's run by the Navy, I'm almost positive, but don't quote me! This is how professionals do it. The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I’ve ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA’s in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. No island fever? I've heard that can be a thing on Kwaj. Bummer. Hope the family stuff turned out well. Looking around----there still isn't anything really authoritative I've seen---it looks like a DF-31A was launched, impacting somewhere around the Marquesas. Roadmobile, and SRB motors. Yay. Obv the trajectory line is a WAG on my part, but it should have been above the radar horizon for Kwaj. Funny, how the US decided not to share the warning with Japan, not that the launch came anywhere near it. No info on what the warning was, either. It almost definitely overflew the Philippines though. I wonder why they didn't send it to the Point Nemo/spacecraft graveyard? Anyway, the Chinese have at least one road mobile, launch in a minute or two, ICBM that can reach the States. I dunno how many they made, doubt it was few. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 9:00:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:03:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I've ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA's in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By zoinks: We American types have the Pacific Missile Range "station or facility" I can't remember, and it's run by the Navy, I'm almost positive, but don't quote me! This is how professionals do it. The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I've ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA's in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go.   We just did a Get Smart episode from the second season!! |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: @Zoinks Family Matters Deja Vu! Damn if that doesn't get to so many of us, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: The Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site. I was there for 3 months. It was my dream job and location. Family matters fucked it all up and had to leave my contract early. Pretty sure the Space Force has command of it now but I could be wrong. It was the most laid back duty station I've ever been to. I think I either snorkeled, went sailing or fished everyday. I also never signed so many NDA's in my life before I arrived. If anyone ever has a chance to work there go. @Zoinks Family Matters Deja Vu! Damn if that doesn't get to so many of us, |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Yeah we go back more than 30 years - around the Desert Storm era Yes it is Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: It's obvious you two know each other. Are you related? Yes it does get so many of us. I was at the peak of my career and shit happened where I had to decide to take care of someone or carry on with my career. Life's a bitch sometimes. Yeah we go back more than 30 years - around the Desert Storm era Yes it is First day of class, it's taught by...he wasn't a complete moron, but he could only teach a "text book" type class as no real experience of when it all goes to shit. Carmel was the only student in there I didn't want to slap! Turned out he was Cool!! |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:14:50 PM EDT
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Damn, My father fought in the Pacific aboard the Destroyer USS Meade and the Solomons was one of the many.
He rarely spoke about it but that was one of them rescuing the sailors in the shark infested ocean with burning diesel oil on fire covering the sea. By the time they got them on the deck their skin was sliding off from the burns and they all cried for their mothers. Again, he did not talk much at all about it. He hated the Japs. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: For propaganda Friday https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-09-26/China-Taiwan-question-is-the-political-foundation-of-China-Japan-ties-1xdrq8Mc4uc/share_amp.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: For propaganda Friday https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-09-26/China-Taiwan-question-is-the-political-foundation-of-China-Japan-ties-1xdrq8Mc4uc/share_amp.html The Taiwan question concerns China's sovereignty and territorial integrity. It is the political foundation of China-Japan relations and a red line that must not be crossed, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said on Thursday. Spokesperson Lin Jian made the remarks at a regular press conference in response to relevant questions from a reporter about a Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer sailing through the Taiwan Straits for the first time. "The Chinese military has handled in accordance with laws and regulations the entering into the Taiwan Straits of a Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel. China is highly vigilant on Japan's political intention behind this move and has protested to the Japanese side," Lin said. Japan made a clear commitment on this in the 1972 China-Japan Joint Statement, which says, "The Government of Japan recognizes the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. The Government of the People's Republic of China reiterates that Taiwan is an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China. The Government of Japan fully understands and respects this position of the Government of the People's Republic of China, and it firmly maintains its position under Article 8 of the Potsdam Proclamation," Lin added. "We urge Japan to honor its commitment, act prudently on the Taiwan question and refrain from causing disruption to its relations with China and peace and stability across the Taiwan Straits," the spokesperson noted. Trace Gallagher just called Kamala Harris "Chauncey Gardener", the main character from Being There. Right on. Spread the Word!!!!! Here's one from the collection I haven't posted yet. Different topic: KMT slams new limitations on Taiwan death penalty TAIPEI (Taiwan News) The Kuomintang (KMT) slammed the Constitutional Court on Wednesday (Sept. 25) for imposing restrictions on the use of the death penalty. The Constitutional Court ruled the death penalty is constitutional on Friday (Sept. 20). However, it said this is only true if it is used for the most serious crimes, and listed several circumstances under which it can not be used. These included in cases where a defendant does not have legal representation, if they are mentally compromised, and if judges fail to make a unanimous decision. According to KMT Chair Eric Chu ( ), these and other conditions imposed by the court essentially amount to abolition of the death penalty, per CNA. Speaking at a party meeting, Chu said the Constitutional Court's decision interfered with the judiciary, and said that its judges had created a constitutional crisis. He said the legislature must avoid appointing judges to the court with personal interpretations of the Constitution or ideological partisanship. Meanwhile, the office of President Lai Ching-te ( ) issued a statement and said the ruling was an important milestone for Taiwan's judiciary. The president expects relevant government institutions to amend laws and regulations to comply with the Constitutional Court's ruling, it said. Lai's Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) has faced ongoing accusations from the KMT that it is attempting to de-facto abolish the death penalty. Faced with these accusations on Tuesday, Premier Cho Jung-tai ( ) said the government administers the death penalty in accordance with the law. A survey conducted in the run up to the Constitutional Court's Friday decision showed that over 80% of respondents supported keeping the death penalty in place. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:20:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Cultural Anthropology sure sounded interesting in the Course Catalog!! First day of class, it's taught by...he wasn't a complete moron, but he could only teach a "text book" type class as no real experience of when it all goes to shit. Carmel was the only student in there I didn't want to slap! Turned out he was Cool!! LOL I remember that. Go Spartans lol |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Another-Bill: Damn, My father fought in the Pacific aboard the Destroyer USS Meade and the Solomons was one of the many. He rarely spoke about it but that was one of them rescuing the sailors in the shark infested ocean with burning diesel oil on fire covering the sea. By the time they got them on the deck their skin was sliding off from the burns and they all cried for their mothers. Again, he did not talk much at all about it. He hated the Japs. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: LOL I remember that. Go Spartans lol
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:34:07 PM EDT
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Score Card!!!
Taiwan tracks 41 Chinese military aircraft, 6 naval ships TAIPEI (Taiwan News) The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 41 Chinese military aircraft and six naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Thursday (Sept. 26) and 6 a.m. on Friday. Of the 41 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 32 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern, central, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.  Attached FileSo far this month, Taiwan has tracked 407 Chinese military aircraft and 206 ships. There's got to be a connection between the couple of days of "low to no" flights and then a couple of heavy days. I'm willing to bet that it's part of the recurring training. First there's briefings all around, then there's launching and recovering of aircraft. As some of the areas have flights that take any where from 11 to 18 hours, they must be launching a flight, it stages in the area, RTB's and is recovered, then launched again. Wash, rinse, repeat. Otherwise, the PLAAF is putting a lot of hours on engines and airframes to run a psyop that people have become accustomed to. |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 11:44:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2024 12:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240926-china-notified-france-about-missile-launch-in-pacific-french-authorities Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240926-china-notified-france-about-missile-launch-in-pacific-french-authorities Papeete (AFP) China notified France before test-firing a long-range ballistic missile into the Pacific on Wednesday, authorities in French Polynesia said, adding that the weapon had landed not far from its exclusive economic zone. The missile test, which China's defence ministry said was carrying a dummy warhead, was its first such exercise in decades. "The Chinese authorities previously notified their French counterparts of this test," the French High Commission said in a statement, adding that France would make its position on the test known. French Polynesia President Moetai Brotherson earlier told AFP that "the missile fell not far from... the Marquesas Islands", an archipelago that is part of its exclusive economic zone. Beijing has stepped up its nuclear development and boosted defence spending in recent years, with the Pentagon warning last October that China was developing its arsenal more quickly than the United States had anticipated. China held more than 500 operational nuclear warheads as of May 2023 and is likely to have more than 1,000 by 2030, the Pentagon said. Beijing's defence ministry said the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) had carried "a dummy warhead... and the missile fell into expected sea areas" on Wednesday. It also said that the firing was a "routine arrangement in our annual training plan" and "not directed against any country or target". The United States said it received "some advanced notification of this ICBM test," describing this as "a step in the right direction" that helps prevent "misperception or miscalculation." But the launch sparked protests from countries in the region, with China's neighbour Japan saying it had not been given advance notice. Australia said it was seeking "an explanation", while New Zealand calling the launch "an unwelcome and concerning development". |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 12:23:46 AM EDT
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Here's one from CNA has many of the same elements of the other stories:
China's missile launch into the Pacific sends message to U.S.: Analysts Taipei, Sept. 26 (CNA) China's rare test-firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) into the Pacific Ocean on Wednesday was likely intended to send a message of deterrence to the United States, according to analysts. According to China's Defense Ministry, an ICBM carrying a dummy warhead was launched at 8:44 a.m. Wednesday (China Standard Time) as part of a routine training exercise by the PLA's Rocket Force. The missile fell into "expected sea areas" in the Pacific Ocean, the ministry said, without specifying an exact location. Authorities in French Polynesia later said that the missile had landed in waters near the islands' exclusive economic zone, and that China had sent advance notification to France. Shu Hsiao-huang ( ), an associate research fellow at the Institute for Defense and Security Research, said the test marked the first time in 44 years China has launched an ICBM into the Pacific. China typically tests long-range missiles over its own territory. It last launched an ICBM into the South Pacific in 1980. Shu said the launch was likely intended as a message to the United States, which has steadily expanded its presence in the Indo-Pacific in recent years, putting pressure on China. Beijing, in turn, has formed an alliance and increasingly conducts joint military drills with Russia, he said. As for the logic and timing of the test, Shu said that in an era of "great power competition," countries need to continually improve their strategic deterrence capabilities. In addition, Beijing may have wanted to show that the Rocket Force's readiness has not been negatively impacted, after several of its senior leaders were removed during an anti-graft purge last year, Shu said. Based on images released by the Chinese military, the ICBM used in the test launch was likely a Dongfeng-31 AG, which has a range of around 12,000 kilometers, according to Yang Tai-yuan ( ), a researcher at Tamkang University's Center for Advanced Technology. China also has Dongfeng-41 and JL-3 ICBMs, which have ranges of over 13,500 km and are capable of hitting the United States' East Coast, Yang said. For that reason, Wednesday's test launch sends a message to Washington that China maintains a nuclear second-strike capability, and possesses the ability to deter U.S. intervention if a war breaks out in the Taiwan Strait, Yang said. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 8:23:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:32:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:37:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Here's one from CNA has many of the same elements of the other stories: China's missile launch into the Pacific sends message to U.S.: Analysts Here's a better way of saying "previously notified" in the red. Now's a good time to talk about this. I think when we covered it last year, I may have written that this was a way of getting rid of Generals who probably weren't enthusiastic about an upcoming War. First, they use a lot of liquid fueled rockets. Some rocket fuels have water in them as part of the formula while other fuels will attract or pull moisture out if the air. Water in the Fuel was one of their "crimes." The PRC is after all the one country in the World that executes more murderers than has murders and more drug dealers than has addicts. They make the Iranians look like learned, reasonable people. Who had Dongfent-31 AG on their Bingo Card? You win!!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Here's one from CNA has many of the same elements of the other stories: China's missile launch into the Pacific sends message to U.S.: Analysts Taipei, Sept. 26 (CNA) China's rare test-firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) into the Pacific Ocean on Wednesday was likely intended to send a message of deterrence to the United States, according to analysts. According to China's Defense Ministry, an ICBM carrying a dummy warhead was launched at 8:44 a.m. Wednesday (China Standard Time) as part of a routine training exercise by the PLA's Rocket Force. The missile fell into "expected sea areas" in the Pacific Ocean, the ministry said, without specifying an exact location. Authorities in French Polynesia later said that the missile had landed in waters near the islands' exclusive economic zone, and that China had sent advance notification to France. Shu Hsiao-huang ( ), an associate research fellow at the Institute for Defense and Security Research, said the test marked the first time in 44 years China has launched an ICBM into the Pacific. China typically tests long-range missiles over its own territory. It last launched an ICBM into the South Pacific in 1980. Shu said the launch was likely intended as a message to the United States, which has steadily expanded its presence in the Indo-Pacific in recent years, putting pressure on China. Beijing, in turn, has formed an alliance and increasingly conducts joint military drills with Russia, he said. As for the logic and timing of the test, Shu said that in an era of "great power competition," countries need to continually improve their strategic deterrence capabilities. In addition, Beijing may have wanted to show that the Rocket Force's readiness has not been negatively impacted, after several of its senior leaders were removed during an anti-graft purge last year, Shu said. Based on images released by the Chinese military, the ICBM used in the test launch was likely a Dongfeng-31 AG, which has a range of around 12,000 kilometers, according to Yang Tai-yuan ( ), a researcher at Tamkang University's Center for Advanced Technology. China also has Dongfeng-41 and JL-3 ICBMs, which have ranges of over 13,500 km and are capable of hitting the United States' East Coast, Yang said. For that reason, Wednesday's test launch sends a message to Washington that China maintains a nuclear second-strike capability, and possesses the ability to deter U.S. intervention if a war breaks out in the Taiwan Strait, Yang said. Road-mobile, solid-fueled, ICBM. That works. (Cf, Trident's recent failures for the RN.) I've said before that I thought the, "Fueled with Water!", story was mostly bullshit agreeable to both sides: it allowed the PRC to purge those officers for whatever actual reason AND it allowed the US and DoD to downplay the significance of China's strategic deterrent. In a way we generally don't do for the Russian one. I don't know. Chabuduo is definitely the order of the day in normal Chinese production. One would think their new deterrent would have Draconian penalties for acting that way, but OTOH, those missiles are never supposed to fly. Who'll find out? I also don't know why they'd have both a DF-41 and DF-31A and now, an AG version. Competing design bureaus? They're both solid fueled, road-mobile intercontinental weapons. At least the DF-31 has the excuse of coming out of a SLBM program. Shrug. Anyway, good luck finding them. Though securing the TELs and sites has to be a bitch. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 12:55:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Road-mobile, solid-fueled, ICBM. That works. (Cf, Trident's recent failures for the RN.) I've said before that I thought the, "Fueled with Water!", story was mostly bullshit agreeable to both sides: it allowed the PRC to purge those officers for whatever actual reason AND it allowed the US and DoD to downplay the significance of China's strategic deterrent. In a way we generally don't do for the Russian one. I don't know. Chabuduo is definitely the order of the day in normal Chinese production. One would think their new deterrent would have Draconian penalties for acting that way, but OTOH, those missiles are never supposed to fly. Who'll find out? I also don't know why they'd have both a DF-41 and DF-31A and now, an AG version. Competing design bureaus? They're both solid fueled, road-mobile intercontinental weapons. At least the DF-31 has the excuse of coming out of a SLBM program. Shrug. Anyway, good luck finding them. Though securing the TELs and sites has to be a bitch. It's a brand new car!!  Attached FileKeys are in it, and it's parked out front of Art's Crab Shack on Broadway in Oakland, CA. I want to wish you the Best of Luck!!! As for the rest of you losers...I have videos!!!! These are all from China Observer, and all of them are recent produced averaging 18 minutes. Also, it's been all about the things we've been covering. Also, please remember to take everything with a grain of salt here. It's not "gospel" until we get the clandestine photos!!  China’s Fujian Aircraft Carrier’s Sea Trials Are Mocked as a Poor U.S. Imitation, Details Exposed  South China Sea Crisis: Chinese Fishing Boats, Manned by Soldiers, Face Philippine Counterattacks  China’s J-10C Jets Deemed Low Quality; Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Serbia Cancel Orders  China vs. Japan: Navy Destroyed in 15 Hours, CCP Government Toppled in 7 days? Here's some items we haven't discussed, but there's enough circumstancial evidence to make such suppositions not look foolish:  Beijing’s Top Officials Terrified! Frequent Incidents of Officials Being Wiped Out  China’s Most Advanced Warship a Flop: Fake Vertical Launch, Bogus HQ-10, No Cannons Installed  18,000 Chinese Troops in Disguise to Russia? China’s PM, Army Chief Visit Consecutively Please to enjoy. Gutfeld is on!!! |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:23:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Road-mobile, solid-fueled, ICBM. That works. (Cf, Trident's recent failures for the RN.) I've said before that I thought the, "Fueled with Water!", story was mostly bullshit agreeable to both sides: it allowed the PRC to purge those officers for whatever actual reason AND it allowed the US and DoD to downplay the significance of China's strategic deterrent. In a way we generally don't do for the Russian one. I don't know. Chabuduo is definitely the order of the day in normal Chinese production. One would think their new deterrent would have Draconian penalties for acting that way, but OTOH, those missiles are never supposed to fly. Who'll find out? I also don't know why they'd have both a DF-41 and DF-31A and now, an AG version. Competing design bureaus? They're both solid fueled, road-mobile intercontinental weapons. At least the DF-31 has the excuse of coming out of a SLBM program. Shrug. Anyway, good luck finding them. Though securing the TELs and sites has to be a bitch. What sold me on "this is bullshit" was this: how does the "negligence" of "water in rocket fuel" add up to graft, fraud and corruption charges? The most famous question of "qui bono?" really applies here. The entire aspect of fuel for liquid fueled ballistic missiles and being bribed: what's the intersection year?? The stuff is pretty corrosive. Were these generals pulling up tanker trucks to the tanks and draining fuel and replacing it with water? Unlucky |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Commercial Break! What sold me on "this is bullshit" was this: how does the "negligence" of "water in rocket fuel" add up to graft, fraud and corruption charges? The most famous question of "qui bono?" really applies here. The entire aspect of fuel for liquid fueled ballistic missiles and being bribed: what's the intersection year?? The stuff is pretty corrosive. Were these generals pulling up tanker trucks to the tanks and draining fuel and replacing it with water? Unlucky I don’t know anyone in real life that believed that story. If it were true one it wouldn’t have been told to the public, two there would be a lot of dead generals not some bs charges. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/september/no-one-should-think-war-will-be-short Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/september/no-one-should-think-war-will-be-short We are definitely not the intended audience for this piece!! I don't mean to say anything negative of the author, Commander Justin Cobb, but his piece is advocating a wish list of technical responses for a War. Such articles even while necessary to spur debate rarely get the future event correct. But there are some very good paragraphs I want to highlight from the beginning of his essay: It is prudent to consider how a conflict over Taiwan might unfold. Within military circles, there is growing fatalism and an almost dogmatic certainty that China will strike first and target both U.S. and Taiwanese forces simultaneously in a Pearl Harbor style surprise attack, but is that the most likely or most dangerous possibility?1 Chinese revisionism and designs for Taiwan could spur conflict that ranges from economic and political gray zone contests at one end to a massive preemptive conventional assault on the other.2 Across the range of possibilities, if conventional war breaks out between the United States and China, any notion of a short war with defined off-ramps fought solely over Taiwan's independence seems na ve.3 The Chinese Communist Party has staked its legitimacy on reunification and stated it would "pay any price," which points to the unlikely availability of off-ramps.4 Several recent articles have pointedly noted that a fixation among the United States and its allies and partners on a "short, sharp war" could have disastrous consequences.5 A reflexive desire to immediately surge forces into combat and win a rapid victory also is misaligned with current capabilities, risk tolerances, and escalation management principles.6 Worse still, short-war thinking encourages misaligned force design decisions prior to conflict and risk management decisions during it. The paragraph continues: Stunning an enemy and killing him are two different things, and both the United States and China must consider what comes next after a first, violent clash.7 Ample research suggests surprise attacks and/or large-scale aggression are highly likely to invoke the human psychology for revenge, leaving rational cost-based analysis by the wayside as the desire to strike back at all costs takes the forefront.8 There is no weapon system cure, outside of nukes, that's going to grant any side a quick victory. This is Asia we're talking about. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:51:21 PM EDT
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In on page 50 and fuck China.
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:53:35 PM EDT
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https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798
Most of our allies are in this shape https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798 |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: I don’t know anyone in real life that believed that story. If it were true one it wouldn’t have been told to the public, two there would be a lot of dead generals not some bs charges. 87% of GD bought it and any negative news on China. It’s a hope and wishful thinking that the China problem will go away and we do t have to deal with it. Hope is not a plan |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 10:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Commercial Break! What sold me on "this is bullshit" was this: how does the "negligence" of "water in rocket fuel" add up to graft, fraud and corruption charges? The most famous question of "qui bono?" really applies here. The entire aspect of fuel for liquid fueled ballistic missiles and being bribed: what's the intersection year?? The stuff is pretty corrosive. Were these generals pulling up tanker trucks to the tanks and draining fuel and replacing it with water? Unlucky Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoinks: Commercial Break! What sold me on "this is bullshit" was this: how does the "negligence" of "water in rocket fuel" add up to graft, fraud and corruption charges? The most famous question of "qui bono?" really applies here. The entire aspect of fuel for liquid fueled ballistic missiles and being bribed: what's the intersection year?? The stuff is pretty corrosive. Were these generals pulling up tanker trucks to the tanks and draining fuel and replacing it with water? Unlucky Let me fix this: What sold me on "this is bullshit" was this: how does the "negligence" of "water in rocket fuel" add up to graft, fraud and corruption charges? The most famous question of "qui bono?" really applies here. The entire aspect of fuel for liquid fueled ballistic missiles and being bribed: what's the intersection here?? The stuff is pretty corrosive. Were these generals pulling up tanker trucks to the tanks and draining fuel and replacing it with water? Unlucky |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe article posits that the point of a Nuclear-armed North Korea is that it would be aimed at South Korea. I believe this to be incorrect. No more South Korea is likely the death nell of North Korea, and they're not irrational. Who else can the North Korean elites focus their population on to make sure they keep up with the daily privations of being North Korean citizens? The nukes are more a deterrent to being invaded, so they're aimed at someone else or someone elses more than likely. Iran is easy. They got them, and they're aimed at the Saudis, Israelis and Europeans and the ones for Afghanistan will probably be driven in to save money. |
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:15:06 PM EDT
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China forgot to pay Fiji https://www.reuters.com/world/fiji-urges-respect-our-region-after-china-missile-test-2024-09-27/
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Posted: 9/27/2024 11:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798 Most of our allies are in this shape https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798 Canada has what 12 frigates and I believe only 4 are operational. 4 submarines that probably can’t leave their costal waters. Their Air Force can’t project power. Only thing it’s good for is to assist NORAD. Hell they don’t even have F35’s yet. Not sure mentioning their army is even worth it. Last I checked they operate 3 active brigades and can piece together another 3 with the reserves. They will need to catch a ride with the US to get anywhere with any speed. At this point Canada should really focus on defense of North America and put all effort into that. They will never spend enough to be able to fight anywhere else. Least they can do is secure the north for us. |
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Posted: 9/28/2024 12:18:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Canada has what 12 frigates and I believe only 4 are operational. 4 submarines that probably can't leave their costal waters. Their Air Force can't project power. Only thing it's good for is to assist NORAD. Hell they don't even have F35's yet. Not sure mentioning their army is even worth it. Last I checked they operate 3 active brigades and can piece together another 3 with the reserves. They will need to catch a ride with the US to get anywhere with any speed. At this point Canada should really focus on defense of North America and put all effort into that. They will never spend enough to be able to fight anywhere else. Least they can do is secure the north for us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798 Most of our allies are in this shape https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7333798 Canada has what 12 frigates and I believe only 4 are operational. 4 submarines that probably can't leave their costal waters. Their Air Force can't project power. Only thing it's good for is to assist NORAD. Hell they don't even have F35's yet. Not sure mentioning their army is even worth it. Last I checked they operate 3 active brigades and can piece together another 3 with the reserves. They will need to catch a ride with the US to get anywhere with any speed. At this point Canada should really focus on defense of North America and put all effort into that. They will never spend enough to be able to fight anywhere else. Least they can do is secure the north for us. There's a long-standing aversion within the federal government to being seen working cooperatively with defence contractors, said the head of the association representing defence manufacturers. "The Canadian government has long been an outlier internationally in its unwillingness to work in partnership with its domestic defence industry," Christyn Cianfarani, president of the Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries, told the House of Commons defence committee on Tuesday. She said that with this new policy, NATO has formally acknowledged that having each member contribute to the steady flow of arms and munitions represents "a new element of NATO burden-sharing." |
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